ZEOvit System
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blue_eyes53813
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Ahh I see.. Well Im sure with all of his knowledge and IF he did have a tank it would be a very nice set up. Zeovit city.
mps9506
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Boomer thanks for the info about the zeolite. That definitely addresses one of my questions/concerns that I had never bothered to ask about or read more in-depth about.
My other concern/question is regarding the use of amino acids to feed the corals in the nutrient poor conditions. Obviously this has been working but I recall mention of amino acids not being stable very long in SW, and the ability of corals to actually utilize these amino acids, or am I misunderstanding the use of the amino acids? Do you have any input/info on that?
Thanks
My other concern/question is regarding the use of amino acids to feed the corals in the nutrient poor conditions. Obviously this has been working but I recall mention of amino acids not being stable very long in SW, and the ability of corals to actually utilize these amino acids, or am I misunderstanding the use of the amino acids? Do you have any input/info on that?
Thanks
kathywithbirds
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Hey Boomer, this is the link I got that quote from.
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And thanks, I think I misread, I thought youo had to choose one of the four.
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And thanks, I think I misread, I thought youo had to choose one of the four.
Boomer
Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard
I know is was just a misread Kathy
No Mike not really many are using or adding Amino's to their tanks as you know. But with that said they will more stable in SW than say FW. That is the main reason really why skimmer works in SW. It is the orgaincs just don't go into solution/ dissolve as easily as in FW. As far as amino's goes, when it comes to salt, it is more of added amino's to a dry salt mix and selling it that way. In such an harsh enviroment they will be brake down fast and be almost useless.
Some help for you;
Organic Compounds in the Reef Aquarium by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com
What is Skimming? by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com
No Mike not really many are using or adding Amino's to their tanks as you know. But with that said they will more stable in SW than say FW. That is the main reason really why skimmer works in SW. It is the orgaincs just don't go into solution/ dissolve as easily as in FW. As far as amino's goes, when it comes to salt, it is more of added amino's to a dry salt mix and selling it that way. In such an harsh enviroment they will be brake down fast and be almost useless.
Some help for you;
Organic Compounds in the Reef Aquarium by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com
What is Skimming? by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com
mps9506
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:smack:
Thank you. Sometimes I don't think before I type.
I never really read this one before, Organic Compounds in the Reef Aquarium by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com
Quite interesting.
I'm off to do some more digging and reading. Thanks for the help.
G.Alexander
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How do you like the KZ skimmer so far? did you modify the venturi?
do you use any suplemental feeding of corals other than the mulm which acumulates on the clinoptilotite?
btw, RS members, zeo products are sold by sponsor Aquariumspecialty ...in case anyone is feeling adventuresome
Hi booz, beside the bacteria mulm (plankton) two additional foods are used: AminoAcids & a product which contains fatty acids as one of its ingredients (Coral Vitalizer). Both are used on a daily basis.
G.Alexander
G.Alexander
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Thought it would be a good idea to post this nice picture showing a zeolite with (right) and without (left) bacteria colonisation. As much as I remember the zeolite on the right side was kept in water for about 4 weeks. Both are the same material.
G.Alexander
G.Alexander
G.Alexander
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Hi Kathy, there are different kind of zeolites used which also have different sizes. All are already mixed together and the mixture is called zeovit.
I know from my tank and other zeovit tanks Caluerpa reacomosa for example is doing fine even if there are no detectable NO3 or PO4. I assume that the PO4 and NO3 concentrations in healthy coral reefs are not much different. There where experiments done to isolate parts of a natural reef so no herbivore where able to reach the surface. Within a relative short time several algae began to grow while the area next to the isolation had absolute no algae. IMO a very interesting experiment.
Fish feeding is the same as in every other tank. I feed my fish daily adequate but I stop current while dosing this to prevent drifting food in the rockwork etc. Regarding the dosage there are many variables. Let me say a heavy overstocked tank with a lot of fish will need a different dosage than a SPS system which does already runs nutrient poor stabile.
With my experience Softies & LPS as well clams for example are doing very fine in such a environment.
G.Alexander
G.Alexander
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Boomer said:
Have to agree where with Boomer, there are many ways to run a successful, healthy, colourful SPS system. Personally I see the zeovit system as a very interesting and helpful tool to archive such results.
Also nobody should expect if he adds those products to his tank his coral will start to shine just with the addition. Good husbandry and a good feeling for the corals beside the “tool” zeovit is IMO the key to run the system successful.
G.Alexander
G.Alexander
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mps9506 said:
Hi Mike, it was often claimed that amino acids breakdown quick in saltwater, also that they can not be absorbed by corals directly from the water column. I know those discussions since such products are offered commercial. I can not give you scientific data to this but I know tests where done and published to prove the opposite. From the practical view I can say dosing the right amino acids in a adequate quantity has a positive impact to colouration and growth in a nutrient poor system.
G.Alexander
kathywithbirds
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Thank you for the valuable info, Alexander and RS-ers. This might be worth experimenting with in the future for me, I'd like to try different ways of maintaining a tank.
Q: Any opinions on what might be the most "close to nature" method?
Q: Any opinions on what might be the most "close to nature" method?
mps9506
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Been digging on the net for some more info on amino acid synthesis by acropora... Unfortunately I'm not a student anymore to make use of journal databases
All I could find was:
Biosynthesis of 'essential' amino acids by scleractinian corals.
All I could find was:
Biosynthesis of 'essential' amino acids by scleractinian corals.
... Unfortunately I'm not a student anymore to make use of journal databases
pm sent :invisible
Boomer
Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard
Alexander
Thanks for those pics of the zeolites WOW ! that stuff you guys are using has some really big "holes". You can even seen the screen mount matting through them. Very easy for bacter's to colonize that stuff. Do all 4 kinds look like this or do the others have smaller to medium openings ?
I assume that the PO4 and NO3 concentrations in healthy coral reefs are not much different.
They range around 0.1 - 0.3 mg / l for N as NO3- and P as PO4- ~0.01 0.005 mg / l depending. They can be higher or lower there are lots of variables. At times they can be almost zero or even close 1 mg/l.
Kathy & Alexander
Even if one detects zero, of either, it is really not a true sign they are being limited. As many organisms can extract them from the water column as fast as they enter, thus zero. Don't forget their "roots" are also taking it up.
Thanks for those pics of the zeolites
WOW ! that stuff you guys are using has some really big "holes". You can even seen the screen mount matting through them. Very easy for bacter's to colonize that stuff. Do all 4 kinds look like this or do the others have smaller to medium openings ? I assume that the PO4 and NO3 concentrations in healthy coral reefs are not much different.
They range around 0.1 - 0.3 mg / l for N as NO3- and P as PO4- ~0.01 0.005 mg / l depending. They can be higher or lower there are lots of variables. At times they can be almost zero or even close 1 mg/l.
Kathy & Alexander
Even if one detects zero, of either, it is really not a true sign they are being limited. As many organisms can extract them from the water column as fast as they enter, thus zero. Don't forget their "roots" are also taking it up.
Boomer
Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard
Mike
Lisa M. FITZGERALD
She use to be a friend of mine when she was working on her Ph.D, which was on Amino acid receptors in scleractinian corals. She was a grad student at the time at the U of Miami, Rosenstiel School fo Marine and Atmospheric Science. This was back in the 90's. I lost contact with here long ago. They use to have a magazine out called Sea Frontiers and grad students were required to answer question by writting or on the phone. Many hrs I had with Liza. Se went to some eastern U to study the same in fish.
Liza had a couple of pubs in the late 90's and then seemed to vanish. I have never been able to track her down. She was lots of fun. You are the second one that has linked her paper this year The other was Mesocosm on our RC chem forum.
Lisa M. FITZGERALD
She use to be a friend of mine when she was working on her Ph.D, which was on Amino acid receptors in scleractinian corals. She was a grad student at the time at the U of Miami, Rosenstiel School fo Marine and Atmospheric Science. This was back in the 90's. I lost contact with here long ago. They use to have a magazine out called Sea Frontiers and grad students were required to answer question by writting or on the phone. Many hrs I had with Liza. Se went to some eastern U to study the same in fish.Liza had a couple of pubs in the late 90's and then seemed to vanish. I have never been able to track her down. She was lots of fun. You are the second one that has linked her paper this year
The other was Mesocosm on our RC chem forum.