jake morries
Member
What's everyone keeping their temp at I can't seem to get mine down.
Mine is staying at around 85f
Mine is staying at around 85f
Temp???
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David Shaw
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80-82 here.
I did have a problem with the RSM stock skimmer adding a couple of degrees to the water temp, but as soon as i ditched that, then the temps fell back down.
Ambient room temperatures are obviously a factor too. In the summer i used to float frozen bottles of water in there to drop the temp down if it got too warm.
I did have a problem with the RSM stock skimmer adding a couple of degrees to the water temp, but as soon as i ditched that, then the temps fell back down.
Ambient room temperatures are obviously a factor too. In the summer i used to float frozen bottles of water in there to drop the temp down if it got too warm.
jake morries
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so would you say 85 is to high everything seems ok in there
only thing i have noticed is my file fish is not looking good i found it stuck to my skimmer gate yesterday and have not seen it since, i have done all the tests everything is good just the temp is a little high that wouldnt effect him would it
only thing i have noticed is my file fish is not looking good i found it stuck to my skimmer gate yesterday and have not seen it since, i have done all the tests everything is good just the temp is a little high that wouldnt effect him would it
tnwillia
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85 is to high for what "I" keep in my tank I think. Glenn (nanoreefing4fun) talks about temps in the low/mid 80's being OK, maybe PM him and see where he is on it. The temp stability is the main thing. Mind was running between 76 & 83 daily before I got my chiller. It sounds like your stable just higher. Others will jump in here to help you. Good luck!
David Shaw
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I think 85, if that is a constant, is too high in the long term.
We all get gradual fluctuations up and down within a few degrees, but i personally wouldn't feel comfortable with 85 being the standard.
We all get gradual fluctuations up and down within a few degrees, but i personally wouldn't feel comfortable with 85 being the standard.
tnwillia
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On your file Fish, here is a link to info from Live Aquaria, it shows all their listed File Fish temps rated 72-78 Deg F so I'd say your to warm for it. Good luck!
Tassle Filefish
Tassle Filefish
David Shaw
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Toms suggestion will lower the temp a degree or 2, i have done that on hot days.
Be mindful you will get increased evaporation and you will need to top up with fresh r/o water so as not to increase the salinity.
Be mindful you will get increased evaporation and you will need to top up with fresh r/o water so as not to increase the salinity.
magnetar68
Member
In my house (where we don't like to use the heater or air con), I could not get my temp to be stable with just a heater once we got into the summer months. It would usually climb to 84F.
While it consumed my livestock budget for several months, I bit the bullet and bought a chiller (Oceanic 1/10) and now my tank stays within 76-77 degrees 24x7. I found that the tank does not smell at all at this temp were as at 84 degrees, the living room would smell a little like a fish tank.
While it consumed my livestock budget for several months, I bit the bullet and bought a chiller (Oceanic 1/10) and now my tank stays within 76-77 degrees 24x7. I found that the tank does not smell at all at this temp were as at 84 degrees, the living room would smell a little like a fish tank.
clka
Active Member
I keep my heater set at 79-80. With the little fan in the back on all summer, the tank goes up to about 82 max.
In the PocketExpertGuide to Marine Invertebrates, Ronald Shimek states that coral reefs around the world have temps between 78-86 with the average around 81. He writes "I consider the temperature range or 81 to 84 degrees F (27-29C) as the optimal and normal temperature to maintain all reef animals."
Cheryl
In the PocketExpertGuide to Marine Invertebrates, Ronald Shimek states that coral reefs around the world have temps between 78-86 with the average around 81. He writes "I consider the temperature range or 81 to 84 degrees F (27-29C) as the optimal and normal temperature to maintain all reef animals."
Cheryl
There's lots of variables to balance here. Your stock should be the first thing. If you look at where they're from, and not just the geographic location, but also the depth, that should give you a temperature range per livestock. If you find a temperature that sits in each species range, then that's a good starting point.
Then you need to look at the pros/cons of higher or lower temperatures. For instance, if your species almost all would do good at 80, but one shouldn't be above 76, so you decide to drop down to 76, what's the trade off you're making?
By lowering temps you're decreasing your evap, slowing metabolism a touch which can decrease desired growth of corals but also decrease proliferation of any undesirable algae, diseases and parasites. It won't stop the growth of any of these things, it will only slow them down a touch. You're also saving money running cooler (if you're not using a chiller to do so).
If you run hot, you've got the opposite, you're increasing evaporation requiring more top offs, which is a minor issue for most. If you're using your heater to obtain the higher temp (rather than just latent heat from the lighting or surrounding air) then you're running up your electric bill, you're also increasing metabolism which increases growth of everything, good or bad.
So in the end, your goal should be to have your temperature set where the livestock requires it, any tweaking after that point is just personal preference.
Also, you'll see lots of books like clka mentioned that say things in the rough area of 78-86, but what I always fail to see mentioned is how deep they recorded the temperatures. Things like encrusting plate corals tend to come from deeper than branching corals, even if they're the same species, and this leads to two different temperature requirements as the temperature is different at 10' from what it is at 60-80' or further down.
Then you need to look at the pros/cons of higher or lower temperatures. For instance, if your species almost all would do good at 80, but one shouldn't be above 76, so you decide to drop down to 76, what's the trade off you're making?
By lowering temps you're decreasing your evap, slowing metabolism a touch which can decrease desired growth of corals but also decrease proliferation of any undesirable algae, diseases and parasites. It won't stop the growth of any of these things, it will only slow them down a touch. You're also saving money running cooler (if you're not using a chiller to do so).
If you run hot, you've got the opposite, you're increasing evaporation requiring more top offs, which is a minor issue for most. If you're using your heater to obtain the higher temp (rather than just latent heat from the lighting or surrounding air) then you're running up your electric bill, you're also increasing metabolism which increases growth of everything, good or bad.
So in the end, your goal should be to have your temperature set where the livestock requires it, any tweaking after that point is just personal preference.
Also, you'll see lots of books like clka mentioned that say things in the rough area of 78-86, but what I always fail to see mentioned is how deep they recorded the temperatures. Things like encrusting plate corals tend to come from deeper than branching corals, even if they're the same species, and this leads to two different temperature requirements as the temperature is different at 10' from what it is at 60-80' or further down.
My tank runs 81-83 (82 today) not saying this is best practice ... but can say my tank has thrived without a chiller & temps up to 84...
I wound consider 85 as the very top of what I would except. I have found Ron Shimek's advise works for me, others seem to think it is a bit dated, to which I do not think is wrong thinking, just more than one way to make it work.
http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/red-sea-max-owners-club/60477-tank-temperature-chiller.html
I wound consider 85 as the very top of what I would except. I have found Ron Shimek's advise works for me, others seem to think it is a bit dated, to which I do not think is wrong thinking, just more than one way to make it work.
http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/red-sea-max-owners-club/60477-tank-temperature-chiller.html
jake morries
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I will have to purchase a clip on fan or something like that to cool it down a little bit like I said all the coral seem to be fine and the fish seem ok apart from the file fish but he is old soaybe that's something to do with it.
One other thing is I get alot of algae on the glass quite quickly
One other thing is I get alot of algae on the glass quite quickly
tnwillia
Well-Known Member
I gave you a link above on your file fish. Their temp range is 72 to 78 degrees. Your tank temp probably has a lot to do with what your seeing on him/
You should be able to find something like this. Good luck!
Amazon.com: Holmes HACP7W-UC 7-Inch Clip-On Personal Fan: Kitchen & Dining
You should be able to find something like this. Good luck!
Amazon.com: Holmes HACP7W-UC 7-Inch Clip-On Personal Fan: Kitchen & Dining
jake morries
Member
will something like this do????
I run 78-79. 85 does seem high in my opinion. I think that cooler water can also hold more oxygen. On a reef at 86 the water is still being oxygenated by waves, much more than can happen in our tanks.
I had a small filefish for a while but lost it. I got it as a possible natural eradicator of my Majano anemones, but he never touched them or any other food. Shortly before I lost him he would get stuck against the gate, as well as on the Vortech, as he wasn't what I would call an efficient swimmer, and didn't seem to do well in strong current (as with many "flat" fish). I think in my case it was starvation that weakened the poor fish and had him getting stuck on the pump & gate.
I had a small filefish for a while but lost it. I got it as a possible natural eradicator of my Majano anemones, but he never touched them or any other food. Shortly before I lost him he would get stuck against the gate, as well as on the Vortech, as he wasn't what I would call an efficient swimmer, and didn't seem to do well in strong current (as with many "flat" fish). I think in my case it was starvation that weakened the poor fish and had him getting stuck on the pump & gate.
jake morries
Member
i was thinking of lifting the front small hood and clip it there, i hope its not to big
If it's like my Azoo brand dual unit the 4 fan would be pretty big.
Fluorescent Aquarium Lighting: Cooling Fans
2 Fan Unit 7-3/4" x 4-3/4"
4 Fan Unit 14" x 4-3/4"
Fluorescent Aquarium Lighting: Cooling Fans
2 Fan Unit 7-3/4" x 4-3/4"
4 Fan Unit 14" x 4-3/4"