Project 58!! (Image intense)
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Maxx
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nope...not unless it came in on the Chaeto I got from you 
This was not a self inflicted kinda thing...I dont know if the blenny bite was a serious factor in this, especially since the scrape healed up so quickly. If it was contributing, my only thought could be the bite on the abdomen might have damaged something internally??? And I'll never really know for sure on that one.....
Nick
This was not a self inflicted kinda thing...I dont know if the blenny bite was a serious factor in this, especially since the scrape healed up so quickly. If it was contributing, my only thought could be the bite on the abdomen might have damaged something internally??? And I'll never really know for sure on that one.....
Nick
Craig Manoukian
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The problem with tangs and territorial fish is that tangs swim constatntly and will encroach just because oftheir swimming patterns. If your Bleeny is territoral it could lead to the kind of attacks you suspect. Good luck with the new addition.
mps9506
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Well,Maxx said:
This is why I don't like liveaquaria...
They don't house their own fish really. They are in LA, you order the fish, they go to the warehouse next door, and scoop the fish and send it on it way. They don't know if it's been eating, twitching scratching farting anything. This is why I always recomend ordering from the smaller guys, or from your LFS.
Very FEW people can tell you if they have net caught or not. Some places will tell you they don't have cyanide captured fish, and I say BS! There were only two wholesalers I could get net captured fish, that was MSI and one other place (I mention MSI because of our new sponser SeaCrop).
We gave her a try but found 95% of the locals just started going to the other store in town because our prices went up and selection went down when we tried to do net caught. Our DOA's were nill and we stopped having sick fish.
We now try a different approach were I log what fish I get from what wholesalers and how they do. EG, I only order my tangs from one wholesaler because they always come in helathy from them, order angels from another, etc.
It's a PITA for me, but it keeps me from having dead and sick fish in my store.
Anyways, if Liveaquaria tells you they will garuntee it is net caught I will call BS on them. However there is a chance they might tell you where the tomini's came from, in which case you can make your decision from that and the liklihood that it is a healthy specimen or not. But the salesperson on the line doesn't know how the fish was caught.
Maxx
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Thats pretty much my thinking Mike. I really wouldnt mind paying more for net caught or captive bred fish....but not many places are offering them for sale.
RCT Hawaii breeds angels, and has bred Royal Gramma's and Black Cap basslets in the past. I sent them an email asking if they had any gramma's or bassets for sale, since they are only showing interrruptus angels and resplendant angles for sale, (Currently around $600-$900 each with the resplendants being more expensive), which are gorgeous, but hideously expensive. They said all they are currently offering is those two angels....even though they've bred all the other angels they show on their site also.
I think that if you were interested and asking on behalf of your store, they might breed some more of the less expensive angels Mike. Just a guess on my part and I dont know if you have a demand for them at the price they would be....just thinking out loud here.
Nick
RCT Hawaii breeds angels, and has bred Royal Gramma's and Black Cap basslets in the past. I sent them an email asking if they had any gramma's or bassets for sale, since they are only showing interrruptus angels and resplendant angles for sale, (Currently around $600-$900 each with the resplendants being more expensive), which are gorgeous, but hideously expensive. They said all they are currently offering is those two angels....even though they've bred all the other angels they show on their site also.
I think that if you were interested and asking on behalf of your store, they might breed some more of the less expensive angels Mike. Just a guess on my part and I dont know if you have a demand for them at the price they would be....just thinking out loud here.
Nick
mps9506
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I checked them out. Didn't contact them though. I need to get the local university working on it I think it would be cheaper
If I sold online I probably would make the investment to sell those tank bred angels, but not yet I probably only sell 2 or 3 centropyge angels a month as it is, can't imagine how many I would sell if the price was double or triple or more...
I think it would be cheaper If I sold online I probably would make the investment to sell those tank bred angels, but not yet
I probably only sell 2 or 3 centropyge angels a month as it is, can't imagine how many I would sell if the price was double or triple or more...
Maxx
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Annoying update.
I havent received a an email confirmation about the replacement Tomini tang as of yet. So I called Live Aquaria. They said the order had been delayed, and evidently they no longer had any Tomini Tangs in stock. The person on the phone said that the tangs might not be in condition to ship any more, which leads me to really wonder about the collection issue. He said he wasnt sure, but that he would call the fish facility (I want a fish room...these guys have awhole freakin facility....thats just wrong.) and have them call me back and tell what was going on. The Tang is now scheduled for next Friday...if they have any in stock.
So I went back to the LFS today where I bought the Lawn Mower blenny. They still have that gorgeous little female Bellus angel in stock. I watched her for about 20 minutes and saw no indications that she might be suffering from swim bladder problems. I wasnt entirely sure I saw them in the first place, I was just kinda uneasy about it because I saw her swimming in a slightly head down position twice, and I know they are a deep water angel.
I had the LFS hold the fish for me, the soonest I can pick it up is Tuesday. I will definately be watching her for a while before I buy her. She is definately curious about everything in the tank, and is eating everything they throw in the tank for food.
On a good note, my Phosban Reactor showed up today. I ordered the Phosban Reactor Combo from Long Island Reef Exotics. Theie prices were great, ($90.00 for the reactor combo, the maxi jet 400, and an extra thing of phosban..they included a free thing of iodine by Sprung....I dont know why, but I didnt pay for it and the invoice said it was included...so I've got that going for me..) but their Shopping cart was kinda weird. When I added things to my cart it updated on a seperate PayPal web page since they use Paypal for payment. Not bad, just different than what I was used to. SO if anyone else orders from them, dont freak out at the strange shopping cart dealie. Of course having warned everyone about it, nobody will have those issues and y'all will think I'm an idiot.
Nick
I havent received a an email confirmation about the replacement Tomini tang as of yet. So I called Live Aquaria. They said the order had been delayed, and evidently they no longer had any Tomini Tangs in stock. The person on the phone said that the tangs might not be in condition to ship any more, which leads me to really wonder about the collection issue. He said he wasnt sure, but that he would call the fish facility (I want a fish room...these guys have awhole freakin facility....thats just wrong.) and have them call me back and tell what was going on. The Tang is now scheduled for next Friday...if they have any in stock.
So I went back to the LFS today where I bought the Lawn Mower blenny. They still have that gorgeous little female Bellus angel in stock. I watched her for about 20 minutes and saw no indications that she might be suffering from swim bladder problems. I wasnt entirely sure I saw them in the first place, I was just kinda uneasy about it because I saw her swimming in a slightly head down position twice, and I know they are a deep water angel.
I had the LFS hold the fish for me, the soonest I can pick it up is Tuesday. I will definately be watching her for a while before I buy her. She is definately curious about everything in the tank, and is eating everything they throw in the tank for food.
On a good note, my Phosban Reactor showed up today. I ordered the Phosban Reactor Combo from Long Island Reef Exotics. Theie prices were great, ($90.00 for the reactor combo, the maxi jet 400, and an extra thing of phosban..they included a free thing of iodine by Sprung....I dont know why, but I didnt pay for it and the invoice said it was included...so I've got that going for me..) but their Shopping cart was kinda weird. When I added things to my cart it updated on a seperate PayPal web page since they use Paypal for payment. Not bad, just different than what I was used to. SO if anyone else orders from them, dont freak out at the strange shopping cart dealie. Of course having warned everyone about it, nobody will have those issues and y'all will think I'm an idiot.
Nick
Craig Manoukian
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Good luck Maxx!
Maxx
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2-1-05
Update
Live Aquaria has called me (left a message) and sent me an e-mail. Both of them basically stating that they dont have the fish, they dont know when they will have the fish, but when they do get the fish, they'll cheerfully ship it out to me and send me an email and another phone call notifying me of the fishes arrival.
Yay, for my side.
I also cleaned my skimmer again today. Its the third time I've needed to clean it since its been running, and I'm guessing its all sorts of broken in by now. The skimmate was NASTY. I'm not going to post a pic since I think its kinda lame and disgusting. I dont photgraph it when I take a crap, I'm not about to post up a pic of my fishes crap in a condensed form. It stunk. I love my Euro-Reef CS6-2. Thats it. You'll just have to accept that.
I went back down to the LFS today and eyeballed the female Bellus angel. She's gorgeous, eating like a starving monkey, and well acclimated to tank life. no indications of decompression problems or swim bladder issues. She had arrived at the LFS on Jan 20th.
I also picked up a pair of chalk basslets. I had never really thought that much about them, until I saw one in the display reef at the LFS. Pretty little reef safe fish. They had two. They were both eating, and looked to be in pretty good shape. So I got them too. The basslets arrived at the LFS on the Jan 27th.
Everybone is acclimating right now. Brought them home and started acclimation around 550 PM. Its now 750 PM and I'm still drip acclimating them.
The LFS uses copper in their FO systems...so I have to remove water from the drip bucket and make sure that none of it ends up in my tank. Kind of a PITA, but I understand why they do it. When I worked at a LFS they did it too.
I will attempt to post pics of my new fish tomorrow, (lights will be off tonight) but on the off chance that I dont, or someone reading this has no idea what a Bellus angel or Chalk Bass look like....
Here is a washed pic of a female Bellus. Mine has a real pretty blue surrounding the black lines and running in a sort upside down nike swoosh pattern (Fat part of swoosh starts at pectoral fins/behind gill plate, and runs downward to anal fin) hope that makes sense...Genicanthus bellus
Here is a pic of how the male differs in coloration...again washed out since preserved.
Here are a couple of images of the Chalk Bass (Serranus tortugarum)
They color up really pretty and only get to be about 3 inches in length. The only thing they are listed as being potentially aggressive towards is the anemone shrimps of the Periclimenes species.
Here is a link to a short thread about them at Reefs.org. Scott Michael's first book on reef fishes has a great shot of them on pg 526.
Nick
Update
Live Aquaria has called me (left a message) and sent me an e-mail. Both of them basically stating that they dont have the fish, they dont know when they will have the fish, but when they do get the fish, they'll cheerfully ship it out to me and send me an email and another phone call notifying me of the fishes arrival.
Yay, for my side.
I also cleaned my skimmer again today. Its the third time I've needed to clean it since its been running, and I'm guessing its all sorts of broken in by now. The skimmate was NASTY. I'm not going to post a pic since I think its kinda lame and disgusting. I dont photgraph it when I take a crap, I'm not about to post up a pic of my fishes crap in a condensed form. It stunk. I love my Euro-Reef CS6-2. Thats it. You'll just have to accept that.
I went back down to the LFS today and eyeballed the female Bellus angel. She's gorgeous, eating like a starving monkey, and well acclimated to tank life. no indications of decompression problems or swim bladder issues. She had arrived at the LFS on Jan 20th.
I also picked up a pair of chalk basslets. I had never really thought that much about them, until I saw one in the display reef at the LFS. Pretty little reef safe fish. They had two. They were both eating, and looked to be in pretty good shape. So I got them too. The basslets arrived at the LFS on the Jan 27th.
Everybone is acclimating right now. Brought them home and started acclimation around 550 PM. Its now 750 PM and I'm still drip acclimating them.
The LFS uses copper in their FO systems...so I have to remove water from the drip bucket and make sure that none of it ends up in my tank. Kind of a PITA, but I understand why they do it. When I worked at a LFS they did it too.
I will attempt to post pics of my new fish tomorrow, (lights will be off tonight) but on the off chance that I dont, or someone reading this has no idea what a Bellus angel or Chalk Bass look like....
Here is a washed pic of a female Bellus. Mine has a real pretty blue surrounding the black lines and running in a sort upside down nike swoosh pattern (Fat part of swoosh starts at pectoral fins/behind gill plate, and runs downward to anal fin) hope that makes sense...Genicanthus bellus
Here is a pic of how the male differs in coloration...again washed out since preserved.
Here are a couple of images of the Chalk Bass (Serranus tortugarum)
They color up really pretty and only get to be about 3 inches in length. The only thing they are listed as being potentially aggressive towards is the anemone shrimps of the Periclimenes species.
Here is a link to a short thread about them at Reefs.org. Scott Michael's first book on reef fishes has a great shot of them on pg 526.
Nick
Craig Manoukian
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Awesome fish Maxx!
Craig Manoukian
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Good luck with an effort to get a refund. The one time I dealt with LiveAquaria they were very reasonable.
Maxx
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I dont think I'll have a problem getting a refund....I just dont want to eat the $24 shipping fee's. I dont know if they will or wont refund that since they offered to ship me a new fish, no questions asked. I want to upfront here.
I am not dis-satisfied with Live Aquaria's service, and would consider buying from them again. I'm just not in the mood to wait until some unknown future point in time to get a Tomini tang.
I dont want people to think I'm bagging on Live Aquaria, because I'm not. I just dont want to have to wait forever to get this fish. I honestly cant put another fish in the tank for about a month anyway...so its really kind of a moot point.
Nick
I am not dis-satisfied with Live Aquaria's service, and would consider buying from them again. I'm just not in the mood to wait until some unknown future point in time to get a Tomini tang.
I dont want people to think I'm bagging on Live Aquaria, because I'm not. I just dont want to have to wait forever to get this fish. I honestly cant put another fish in the tank for about a month anyway...so its really kind of a moot point.
Nick
Maxx
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02-02-2005
I turned lights off on the left side of the tank last night when I released the Chalk Bass and the Bellus angel at 9 pm. I also turned off the OM unit, but left the Iwaki on so that the water flow was blowing from top left to right, which gave the left side of the tank the least amount of flow. I did this in order to encourage the fish to hang out in the left side of the tank as the Lawn Mower blenny hangs out on the right.
Everybody dissappeared almost immediately towards the left side of the tank, with the angel hiding by the overflow in the darkest part of the tank. The right side light was on for about another hour (until 10 pm) and then shut off. The chalk bass were starting to check out their surrounding area's when the lights went out. The angel had been playing peekaboo every time it saw me.
This morning at 10 am the lights came on. I started thawing out some brine shrimp plus, and mysis shrimp in RO water. The fish were still kinda shy at that point. I turned off the closed loop entirely so I could feed them. Once the food was thawed, I poured it through a brine shrimp net, and discarded the water it thawed out in....dont want to introduce any phosphates to the tank. Even though I have a Phosban reactor running, I dont want to add to what I'm already dealing with.
I rinsed the net out with some tank water and put the food back into a container to be sucked into a turkey baster. I put a little in the tank...and everyone started eating!
The chalk bass were a little unsure at first...they dont strike me as the smartest fish in the world...but the angel jumped after everything she could find. She's currently cruising around the tank, and examining everything.
I turned the closed loop back on and restarted the OM unit. The angel is still cruising, but the chalk bass have moved back into their chosen safe havens...
Once they closed loop was back on, alot of food that was missed got thrown back into the water column. The angel again went nuts and starting going after everything that looked edible, the chalk bass would look at something...think about it for awhile...then venture out and eat it.
All in all....a good start to the day. Pics will follow later. Nobody is really adjusted well enough to get clear pics, yet so maybe tomorrow.
Nick
I turned lights off on the left side of the tank last night when I released the Chalk Bass and the Bellus angel at 9 pm. I also turned off the OM unit, but left the Iwaki on so that the water flow was blowing from top left to right, which gave the left side of the tank the least amount of flow. I did this in order to encourage the fish to hang out in the left side of the tank as the Lawn Mower blenny hangs out on the right.
Everybody dissappeared almost immediately towards the left side of the tank, with the angel hiding by the overflow in the darkest part of the tank. The right side light was on for about another hour (until 10 pm) and then shut off. The chalk bass were starting to check out their surrounding area's when the lights went out. The angel had been playing peekaboo every time it saw me.
This morning at 10 am the lights came on. I started thawing out some brine shrimp plus, and mysis shrimp in RO water. The fish were still kinda shy at that point. I turned off the closed loop entirely so I could feed them. Once the food was thawed, I poured it through a brine shrimp net, and discarded the water it thawed out in....dont want to introduce any phosphates to the tank. Even though I have a Phosban reactor running, I dont want to add to what I'm already dealing with.
I rinsed the net out with some tank water and put the food back into a container to be sucked into a turkey baster. I put a little in the tank...and everyone started eating!
The chalk bass were a little unsure at first...they dont strike me as the smartest fish in the world...but the angel jumped after everything she could find. She's currently cruising around the tank, and examining everything.
I turned the closed loop back on and restarted the OM unit. The angel is still cruising, but the chalk bass have moved back into their chosen safe havens...
Once they closed loop was back on, alot of food that was missed got thrown back into the water column. The angel again went nuts and starting going after everything that looked edible, the chalk bass would look at something...think about it for awhile...then venture out and eat it.
All in all....a good start to the day. Pics will follow later. Nobody is really adjusted well enough to get clear pics, yet so maybe tomorrow.
Nick
Maxx
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02-02-05
Okay, I lied.
I took a couple of quick pics today. The Bellus is kinda tough to photograph. It doesnt help that I cant adjust the focus on this camera, nor the F-stops/shutter speed.....so I'm kinda at the mercy of the Gods of Crappy Digi-Cams for getting a decent shot of whats in my tank....
Really need to buy a better camera. The Canon G-6 is looking pretty good right now. I'd really prefer a 20D...but those are a little out of my price range right now.
Any way...here are some pics of the new guys...
First are the Chalk Bass (Serranus tortugarum). First pic is with the on camera flash on...forgot to turn it off.
Without flash
The Chaetomorphia algae is only temporary. I got it from Spooda420 to seed my liverock with Pods and other critters. In a couple of days, its going as it traps a lot of detritus.
here are two pics of the female Bellus Angel (Genicanthus bellus)
Here is a pic of her picking at stuff under the lava rock on the left side of the tank.
Nick
Okay, I lied.
I took a couple of quick pics today. The Bellus is kinda tough to photograph. It doesnt help that I cant adjust the focus on this camera, nor the F-stops/shutter speed.....so I'm kinda at the mercy of the Gods of Crappy Digi-Cams for getting a decent shot of whats in my tank....
Really need to buy a better camera. The Canon G-6 is looking pretty good right now. I'd really prefer a 20D...but those are a little out of my price range right now.
Any way...here are some pics of the new guys...
First are the Chalk Bass (Serranus tortugarum). First pic is with the on camera flash on...forgot to turn it off.
Without flash
The Chaetomorphia algae is only temporary. I got it from Spooda420 to seed my liverock with Pods and other critters. In a couple of days, its going as it traps a lot of detritus.
here are two pics of the female Bellus Angel (Genicanthus bellus)
Here is a pic of her picking at stuff under the lava rock on the left side of the tank.
Nick
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