cooked rock sludge

mps9506

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For all those that have not bought into the idea of "cooking" live rock, here is some more support for mojo and Spanky,erm I mean Mojo and Boomer, ahem, I mean Mojo and Bomber, nevermind, those two that first eplained to me what bacterial turgor can do to waste...

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There are about a billion bristle worms in the gunk living happy. There is still plenty of life on the rock, just no algae. Little crabs here and there, forams, and pods. All that junk was two weeks worth of crud from 35 lbs of rock.
Anyone with alggae problems, I highly suggest doing this...

Mike
 

mps9506

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This is how Bomber (aka Boomer on RS) puts it:
Bomber wrote
Back to square one.

You have to establish the different layers of bacteria in order to accomplish what you're trying to do.

You have to have the anaerobic (no o2) area and bacteria in the middle to eat the organics that will be found there chemically bound to the calcium carbonate.

You have to have the aerobic (has O2) area and bacteria on top of that to consume the left overs that the anaerobic bacteria produce and continue to move it to the surface of the rock.

Get you a big enough tub to hold all the rock. Put a power head in it to keep it aerated and let it sit until it's cleaned up in the dark. Dunk and swish it every now and then to remove detritus that would just break down and continue the cycle, and move them into new clean water and start again.

What you killed in the rock will release nutrients again. You're going to need the bacteria to move it out of the rock for you. By cleaning the tub and water they are in, you're forcing them to use more and more of the food in the rock - thus cleaning the rocks better and better.

These are the instructions put togther by I think bomber, or SeanT, not sure who put this togther:
But before I do I just want to say that Bomber instructed me how to do it several months ago and it works great. So it is his process that I am trying to make popular and cause fellow hobbyists a lot less heartache in the long term.
The purpose of "cooking" your rocks is to have tha bacteria consume all (or as much) organic material and PO4 stored on, and in, the rock as possible.

The first step to this is commitment.
You have to be willing to remove your rock from the tank.
It doesn't have to be all at once, but I feel if you are going to do this do it all. In stages if that is easier but make sure that all of it gets done.

The new environment you are creating for your rock is to take it from an algal driven to a bacterial driven system.
In order to this, the rock needs to be in total darkness to retard and eventually kill the algae's on the rock and to give the bacteria time to do the job.

So basically you need tubs to hold the rock.

Equipment needed.
1. Dedication.
2. Tubs to cook rock in. And an equal amount of tubs to hold the rock during waterchanges.
3. A few powerheads.
4. Plenty of buckets.
5. A smug feeling of superiority that you are taking it to "the next level."

Here are the steps, if you have any questions I will try my best to answer them. What I don't know I am sure Bomber can/will instruct.

1. Get into your head and accept the fact you will be making lots of salt water if you aren't lucky enough to have access to filtered NSW.
2. Explain to significant other what is going on so they don't flip out. This process can take up to 2 months. Prepare them in advance so he/she can mark it on the calendar and that they won't nag about it until that date arrives.
3. Setup a tub(s) where the rock is to be cooked. Garages are great for this.
4. Make up enough water to fill tub(s) about halfway and around 5-7 buckets about 60% full.
5. Remove all the rock you want to cook at this stage. (The rock can be removed piece by piece until you are done.) I suggest shutting off the circulation beforehand to minimize dust storms.
6. Take the first piece of rock and dunk it, swish it, very, very well in the first bucket. Then do it again in the 2nd bucket, then the third.
7. Place rock in the tub.
8. Repeat steps 6 & 7 to every piece of rock you want to cook at this time. The reason I suggested 5-7 buckets of water will be evident quickly...as the water quickly turnsq brown.
9. Place powerhead(s) in the tub and plug in. Position at least one powerhead so that it agitates the surface of the water pretty well. This is to keep the water oxygenated. You can use an air pump for additional oxygenation if you wish.
9. Cover the tub. Remember, we want total darkness.
10. Empty out buckets, restart circulation on main tank.
11. Wait.
12. During the first couple of weeks it is recommended to do a swishing and dunking of the rocks twice a week.
What this entails is to make up enough water to fill up those buckets and the tub the rock is in.
First, lay out your empty tub(s) and fill buckets the same as before.
Then, uncover tub with the rock in it. Take a rock and swish it in the tub it's in to knock any easy to get off junk.
Then, swish it thru the 3 buckets again, and place in the empty tub..
Repeat for all your rocks.
Then empty the tub that all the rocks were cooking in, take it outside and rinse it out with a hose.
Place tub back where it was, fill with new saltwater, add rocks and powerheads, and cover.
Wait again unti the next water change.
You will be utterly amazed at how much sand, silt, detrius is at the bottom of the tub and every bucket. It is amazing.

How it works:


Some FAQ's.
When re-introducing the rock to my tank, a month or two from now, should I do that in parts to help minimize any cycling effect(s)...if there are any?
I never have. Really after a very short while, the ammonium cycle has been extablished. That's not what you're worry about though, it's the stored phosphates and that you have to wait it out.
When they are producing very little detritus - you'll know - then I would use them all at once.

Would running Carbon filtration and/or a PO4 reducing media help/hurry/hinder the process?
I wouldn't fool with it. You don't want the detritus to sit there long enough to rot, release water soluble P again. You want to take it out while it's still locked up in that bacterial detritus.




I hope this helps you out.
It really is a "miracle" and a low cost one at that.
The only monies spent are for salt and electricity for the powerheads which are nominal. Especially to rid yourself of Bryopsis.
Time and effort is all it akes. And really not that much effort.
I would say that 85% of my exposed rock had Bryopsis (hair algae) covering it.
There isn't a single visible strand on andy rocks in the tubs now.
Remember, the key is patience. Let this process run its course.

And a few last minute tidbits I remembered.
Your coralline will die back, receed etc.
My thoughts on this are GREAT!
Now my rock is more porous for additional pods, mysids, worms etc.
Coralline will grow back.
Throughout this process the sponges, and pods on my rock have not died off.
Everytime I do a waterchange they are there and plentiful.

If you have any questions please ask.

There are a lot of threads over at RC and a few threads on RS about the process. Just click the search button and type in cooking live rock and you will find a bunch of threads. I think everyone that has actually done it is very satisfied witht he results.

Mike
 

brian_e

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hay i did that yo my rock for over 2 months and u know that damn bryopsis is still alive just not much of it
 

mps9506

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Brian
Hadn't heard much from you lately. Is the rock back in your tank or are you still cooking it? I know you have a ton of rock, but have you tried manually removing whatever is left? The stuff is dang near impossible to remove, but a chisel and hammer might work if your willing to chip away at the rock underneth the stuff.
Mike
 

Curtswearing

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Originally posted by mps9506
This is how Bomber (aka Boomer on RS) puts it:

Great thread bud. In fact, I'm "cooking my rocks" right now because I'm switching to an SPS dominated tank and I obviously need to minimize nutrients unlike a softies tank. However, I did want to point out that Bomber (Spanky on some other boards) lives in Florida and runs the NOAA.
Boomer lives in Minnesota and has been involved in this hobby for ages. In fact, he worked with many of the manufacturers of products that recent reefers (like me) now can take for granted. Regardless, they were revolutionary at the time and I owe a debt of gratitude to Boomer for making this hobby easier for me.

I have tremendous respect for both people but they are not one in the same.
 
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mps9506

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You are right Curt, too many people on the internet. We got the chemist, the biologist and someone that makes cookies...
When you start reading four different forums it get confusing :D
 

brian_e

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nope tank is still down all the rock i have left is on my back porch all nice and dead now iam going to start a new tank with fresh rock
 

Maxx

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Great thread Mike...thanks for posting up the details of all of that over here.
Nick
 
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