Thinking about cooking my Rock

Scouter Steve

Active Member
Hey all, I am very frustrated with an outburst of what seems to be dycoyta (sp?) algae. It is taking over my 120 DT. I recall references to cooking rock and think this might be my only hope. What I have thought of doing is pulling and cooking one half the rock and when that is done pull the rest and cook it. Now the question. Do I need a skimmer to cook the rock or just dark, heater and power head? Also how long might it take to cook rock? I just added a sea hare to the tank two days ago and it has simply disappeared so I am thinking this wasn't the solution.
 

mps9506

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The longer you cook the rock the better. Skimmer is not needed. Just a few powerheads, heater, a container and some plastic to cover up the container to keep the light out. The length of time it takes depends on the nutrient build up in the rock.
I did full water changes once or twice a week removing all the detritus that built up in the bottom of the container. Took me around three months on ~40 lbs of live rock.
Do it, and you will be happy, it is worth it.
 

funkpolice

Active Member
Marinate over night in a light olive oil, salt, and pepper. I've used a spig of mint for a nice fresh tast in the past. Then just toss it on the grill, 3 to 4 min per side for medium rare. Serve chilled and tossed with dressing.
bill
 

prow

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Ok, I'm curious now...how do you cook the rock?
its basically just curing rock in the dark. the difference is with curing your trying to keep as much life as possible. the idea of cooking rock(terrible name for this) is to allow only bacteria to grow while killing off algaes and things. after cooking your supposed to have only bacteria left on the rock. to be honest i think it works kinda like it should, but i just can not believe this process will kill off algae spores. if you take your time and setup things rights no need for this, but to clean the rock if you just can not get a handle on it, this process will work out for ya.
got this from RS,
Dave,
Sure thing.
But before I do I just want to say that Bomber instructed me how to do it several months ago and it works great. So it is his process that I am trying to make popular and cause fellow hobbyists a lot less heartache in the long term.
The purpose of "cooking" your rocks is to have tha bacteria consume all (or as much) organic material and PO4 stored on, and in, the rock as possible.

The first step to this is commitment.
You have to be willing to remove your rock from the tank.
It doesn't have to be all at once, but I feel if you are going to do this do it all. In stages if that is easier but make sure that all of it gets done.

The new environment you are creating for your rock is to take it from an algal driven to a bacterial driven system.
In order to this, the rock needs to be in total darkness to retard and eventually kill the algae's on the rock and to give the bacteria time to do the job.

So basically you need tubs to hold the rock.

Equipment needed.
1. Dedication.
2. Tubs to cook rock in. And an equal amount of tubs to hold the rock during waterchanges.
3. A few powerheads.
4. Plenty of buckets.
5. A smug feeling of superiority that you are taking it to "the next level."

Here are the steps, if you have any questions I will try my best to answer them. What I don't know I am sure Bomber can/will instruct.

1. Get into your head and accept the fact you will be making lots of salt water if you aren't lucky enough to have access to filtered NSW.
2. Explain to significant other what is going on so they don't flip out. This process can take up to 2 months. Prepare them in advance so he/she can mark it on the calendar and that they won't nag about it until that date arrives.
3. Setup a tub(s) where the rock is to be cooked. Garages are great for this.
4. Make up enough water to fill tub(s) about halfway and around 5-7 buckets about 60% full.
5. Remove all the rock you want to cook at this stage. (The rock can be removed piece by piece until you are done.) I suggest shutting off the circulation beforehand to minimize dust storms.
6. Take the first piece of rock and dunk it, swish it, very, very well in the first bucket. Then do it again in the 2nd bucket, then the third.
7. Place rock in the tub.
8. Repeat steps 6 & 7 to every piece of rock you want to cook at this time. The reason I suggested 5-7 buckets of water will be evident quickly...as the water quickly turnsq brown.
9. Place powerhead(s) in the tub and plug in. Position at least one powerhead so that it agitates the surface of the water pretty well. This is to keep the water oxygenated. You can use an air pump for additional oxygenation if you wish.
9. Cover the tub. Remember, we want total darkness.
10. Empty out buckets, restart circulation on main tank.
11. Wait.
12. During the first couple of weeks it is recommended to do a swishing and dunking of the rocks twice a week.
What this entails is to make up enough water to fill up those buckets and the tub the rock is in.
First, lay out your empty tub(s) and fill buckets the same as before.
Then, uncover tub with the rock in it. Take a rock and swish it in the tub it's in to knock any easy to get off junk.
Then, swish it thru the 3 buckets again, and place in the empty tub..
Repeat for all your rocks.
Then empty the tub that all the rocks were cooking in, take it outside and rinse it out with a hose.
Place tub back where it was, fill with new saltwater, add rocks and powerheads, and cover.
Wait again unti the next water change.
You will be utterly amazed at how much sand, silt, detrius is at the bottom of the tub and every bucket. It is amazing.

How it works:


Some FAQ's.
When re-introducing the rock to my tank, a month or two from now, should I do that in parts to help minimize any cycling effect(s)...if there are any?
I never have. Really after a very short while, the ammonium cycle has been extablished. That's not what you're worry about though, it's the stored phosphates and that you have to wait it out.
When they are producing very little detritus - you'll know - then I would use them all at once.

Would running Carbon filtration and/or a PO4 reducing media help/hurry/hinder the process?
I wouldn't fool with it. You don't want the detritus to sit there long enough to rot, release water soluble P again. You want to take it out while it's still locked up in that bacterial detritus.




I hope this helps you out.
It really is a "miracle" and a low cost one at that.
The only monies spent are for salt and electricity for the powerheads which are nominal. Especially to rid yourself of Bryopsis.
Time and effort is all it akes. And really not that much effort.
I would say that 85% of my exposed rock had Bryopsis (hair algae) covering it.
There isn't a single visible strand on andy rocks in the tubs now.
Remember, the key is patience. Let this process run its course.

And a few last minute tidbits I remembered.
Your coralline will die back, receed etc.
My thoughts on this are GREAT!
Now my rock is more porous for additional pods, mysids, worms etc.
Coralline will grow back.
Throughout this process the sponges, and pods on my rock have not died off.
Everytime I do a waterchange they are there and plentiful.

If you have any questions please ask.
 

rmlevasseur

Active Member
The only thing I don't understand about this procedure is the referance to the bacteria consuming the PO4. I am not aware that there is a bacteria that does this. I very well could be wrong, but if there is I have often wondered why we don't have separate "reactors" to meet the needs of these bacteria.

My better guess as to why cooking works is that all the algae which held the PO4 has died off and released the PO4 into the holding tank. But exactly which bacteria are comsuming the organic matter, and what organic matter are we talking about? Algae? Again, I'm not familiar with bacteria eating algae, and least not in the aquarium setting.

I'm sure I'm way off on this, but seems like some important details are left out.
 

prow

Well-Known Member
no your thinking right. the bacteria does not eat up phos. all the phos ends up in the detritus and you should suck them out before it degrades. 100% daily, or almost daily, water changes are needed.
 

mps9506

Well-Known Member
Here is a wonderful disorienting thread at RC on cooking Live Rock. I can't explain it nearly as well as Bomber or Boomer or any OFR's do it.
Reef Central Online Community - A rock 'cooking' question.
I do know after I saw Sean do this (he had an huge tub taking up half his Garage cooking live rock) I followed suit and was extremely happy. My 40ish pounds of rock fit in 2 rubbermaid brute tubs.
 
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