Steved13's 250G Deep Dimension

steved13

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Thanks Bryan. No fuge, a good skimmer and bio pellets, keeps phates and trates at 0.00. I have a little algae here and there. HA in only one place, I figure the rock is leaching, some diatom, but nothing that's taking over. I have very few snails left, most have gone down the overflows, I'll have to order some more soon. I skipped a few water changes and I paid the price, everything stayed at 0.00 but trace elements took a hit. I dose, Alk, Cal, Mag and Potassium, but some of the other lesser elements must have gotten depleted, corals started looking lousy. I'm doing extra WC and catching up, and I started adding some trace elements to help. Corals are coming back, I think I only lost a small SPS, and a few Zoas. Funny some Zoas gone, others have multiplied?
 

PSU4ME

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Ya know Steve I've had the same experience with some zoas multiplying like crazy and others melting away after time. Not sure what it is other than frustrating! I didn't remember seeing a fuge, that's why I asked.......My lifereef sump is somewhere with UPS at the moment and I think I am most excited for the fuge!

Your tank looks really nice though.......good growth even if you skipped a WC or two!
 

steved13

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Thanks, the last FTS was before I got busy/lazy. It looks pretty similar now though. I'll be watching for the Sumps arrival.

You're right, I was talking with Cat a while back about the same thing with Zoas..I had 2 polyps each of 2 different Zoas, 1 pair melted, and the others now have 7 polyps and have migrated off of the plug. You never know.
 

PSU4ME

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Hey Steve, how do you like that UV sterilizer? That is one thing I don't have in my plan and I'm wondering if I should consider it.
 

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catran

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Thanks, the last FTS was before I got busy/lazy. It looks pretty similar now though. I'll be watching for the Sumps arrival.

You're right, I was talking with Cat a while back about the same thing with Zoas..I had 2 polyps each of 2 different Zoas, 1 pair melted, and the others now have 7 polyps and have migrated off of the plug. You never know.

Yeah, I thinks some are more susceptible to fungus too. I had a mini crash in the 34g and lost some to fungus and some were just fine. I have around 80 frags and just out of nowhere one may melt and the ones on either side are still doing really well. Seriously, I think the like a little nitrate though. But, I think that's a slippery road...too much allows algae and fungus to slip in.



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steved13

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Hey Steve, how do you like that UV sterilizer? That is one thing I don't have in my plan and I'm wondering if I should consider it.

I like it. IMO UV gets a bad rap, because most use a unit that is way too small. If you decide you want to consider one let me know and I'll send you some links, info, and opinion.
 

steved13

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Bryan, I'll post it here so I can find it in the future. And I have had a few inquiries so maybe this will help some folks gain a better understanding.

This is probably more info than anyone wants but I hope it will be a good read for those interested.

Lee has an excellent sticky about it which I have seen interpreted as UV is a waste of money, and I interpret as UV can be a valuable piece of equipment.

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/fish-diseases-treatments/45307-uv-u-me.html

An excerpt from the above:
I would include a UV unit in a marine system that is overstocked with fishes or which is being overfed. (Both of these conditions encourages excessive proteins and bacteria in the water and also will help prevent any bloom of the bacteria). I would also definitely use a UV unit when there is less than optimal water clarity. Beyond these conditions, the use is optional. However, the downsides have to be considered.

I highlighted in red, to emphasize my point...it doesn't say the use is wasted, nor wrong, nor useless, nor anything negative...just optional. Check the sticky, the only downsides Lee talks about is heat, and expense, both of which, I can deal with.

My take on UV. This is mostly my opinion, and anecdotal from what I have read. Some is 100% fact but you should do your own research before you spend your own money. Hopefully this will give you a starting point on what to think about.

IMO UV is very misunderstood. It can have many uses, and a lot more misuses. I posted the above and the fact that I have seen posts that summarize this sticky as "it says UV is a waste of money. More of why I say it's misunderstood.

An undersized UV is probably useless. If you're not going to get a properly sized unit, spend the money somewhere else. It's not one of those situations where some is better than none, undersized is about equal to none, so don't bother.

Contrary to popular belief a large enough dosage of UV can kill almost anything including ICH. Yes a UV can/will kill some desirable things in the water column...more evidence of the "bad rap"...UV detractors say it can't kill ICH because it only kills what's in the water column and ICH spends part of it's life on the rockwork, and it will kill the good stuff like pods and such...How do they have that both ways? I reason (maybe right maybe wrong) the ICH has to attach to a host or die, therefore it will be in the water column...pods stay and even hide in the rock because that's where they are safe and where they eat. As far as good bacteria?...Start a post about the value of "live water" and see how many people tell you how little good bacteria live in the water and how the vast majority live attached to everything in the and and even the tank itself.

I don't totally disagree that ICH is difficult to eradicate, maybe not possible, I more contend lowering the population will help to keep healthy fish healthy. This is a good diagram as to why ICH is difficult

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/catalog/product/gallery/id/933/image/2537/

So what is the proper size:

I refer to this chart, it lists different organisms and the dosage needed to kill them:

50 Watt (330 Gallon) Emperor Aquatics Smart HO UV "High-Output"

You'll see on that chart bacteria like Fin rot, and algae are killed at a dosage 22,000 or below, while more complex organisms like marine velvet, or marine ICH take higher dosages 105,000 and 280,000 respectively. You have to keep in mind dosage and flow go hand in hand. In theory you can achieve a very high dosage with a small unit with a long enough contact time...or a tiny unit leave the organism in it long enough and you kill it. The problem is if you have to leave the organism in the unit for a long time, by the time you kill that one, a thousand more have reproduced, why I say it's just about useless if it's undersized.

My theory, is the unit needs to deliver the dosage you want while turning the system volume about once per hour...200 gallon system the unit needs to be able to deliver the desired dosage at a flow of ~200gph. I have seen posts from people (some of them seem to have a decent grasp of UV) who say in order to get a high enough dosage you need to have a very low flow. They haven't made this connection...it is important to understand it works the other way around...you need to have a large enough output so that you can have a strong enough dosage with the flow you need. You buy the UV to support the needed flow, you don't dial back the flow to get the desired dosage.

Another key item I saw in my research was the "advertized dosage". Make sure the dosage the unit advertizes is with an older bulb and less than clear water. One of the reasons I chose the brand I did is because their dosages are at the end of the bulb's life, and with "green water"...basically the advertized dosage is under the "worst conditions" and not as some advertize under the "best conditions".
 

dmatt88

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Heck of a read n a beauty of a tank. What dimension is your tank? I love it.

Woohoo Matt has tapatalk back
 

steved13

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Sad news :( I lost my female clownfish today. I came home from work and was looking for her and found her behind the tank. I'm not sure what might have spooked her, no power failure.

Should I replace her with a larger fish than the male? Or go with a smaller fish than the male? The male is on the shy side, doesn't venture out very far from his sleeping corners.
 
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