Advice re Dwarf Angel for 55 Gal.

Evelyn · 12-30-2005, 11:40 PM

I have a six month old, 55 gal. tank with live rock and a peaceful community of seven (LM Blenny, Yellow-Tailed, Blue Damsel, 3 Chromis, 2 Clowns) fish. I'd like to add one more special fish, maybe a Flame or Lemon Peel Dwf. Angel. Anyone have any advice, comments to help me choose? I have three, small soft corals--Green Star Polyps, a Mushroom, and Brown Button Polyps, but I'm not a reef tank by any stretch. I do know angels like to nip at corals. Thank you and Happy New Year!

Travis · 12-31-2005, 12:07 AM

Hi Evelyn and welcome!

If you're even thinking about adding more corals (or value the ones you have) I would strongly recommend against the lemonpeel.

People say most dwarf angels are a "maybe" - the lemonpeel is nearly guaranteed to be a nipper if not worse!

With the flame, you'll be taking a chance as well but many people have successfully kept them in reef tanks.

T

Evelyn · 12-31-2005, 09:34 AM

Thanks. I've found your info confirmed with other research I've been doing so the Flame Angel may be the one! Now I just have to get my nerve up to buy it. My LFS is a great store with clean tanks and healthy fish, but it has no guarantees which, I guess, is normal. They also will not hold a fish for a week while I observe it. It goes to the first person with the money. They are very specific about acclimating. Their formula is to float the fish in the bag for 20 minutes tops, adding water to the float bag during the last 5 min. They say once the bag is open, not to ever let it float more than 5 min.

blue_eyes53813 · 12-31-2005, 11:39 AM

5 minutes seems a little quick. I float the bags for 20-25 minutes. I poor the fish and water into a bowl or bigger bucket. Add 1/2 cup tank water every 4-5 minutes , once the water amount in bowl has doubled. I scoop half water out of bowl and do it all over again. Add 1/2 cup tank water every 4-5 minutes until it doubles again.Probably takes close to 20-25 of adding the tank water.

cheeks69 · 12-31-2005, 11:40 AM

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They also will not hold a fish for a week while I observe it. It goes to the first person with the money. They are very specific about acclimating.

Dwarf Angels sometimes are caught with cyanide so I would recommend you find a store that will hold the fish to make sure he's eating and active before you purchase. It can take a week or two for them to begin eating prepared foods so make sure you have plenty of mature LR for him to graze on during this period of aclimation to your tank.

BoomerD · 12-31-2005, 01:54 PM

Look at the eibli angel and the argi angel. Both stay fairly small, and are relatively non-aggressive. here's more info on the centropyge angels...
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fi...pyge/index.htm

fidojoe · 12-31-2005, 03:35 PM

I have a potters angel and so far so good. He picks at the LR and any bits of macro algae he can find, but it seems that he's very careful to avoid any corals when he is picking for food.

Evelyn · 01-11-2006, 09:27 PM

Yippee! I made a choice! It's the EIBL'S ANGEL

cheeks69 · 01-11-2006, 09:29 PM

Congrats Evelyn but it's obligatory to post a pic...lol

Evelyn · 01-11-2006, 09:42 PM

You'll have to stay tuned for a pic. This guy is NOT going to hold still long enough for any portrait. He is so awesome. Definitely will rule my tank as my celebrity fish. When I went to the LFS tonight, I wasn't really looking for the Eibl, but there were several factors in his favor, price was modest ($30), plus he wasn't just off the boat. He'd been there 3 weeks or more and looked very peppy and healthy. Then he looked me in the eye and begged to go home with me. What else could I do? He has been a treat to watch tonight as I held my breath and let him loose. Exploring everywhere, not at all shy, and so far no interest in chasing anything. His colors, although less gaudy than some of the other angels, are beautiful, a very handsome fish. Lights just went out. I'll cross my fingers everybody's friends in the morning.

cheeks69 · 01-11-2006, 09:47 PM

Dwarfs are really cool ! Just have to be careful if you have Zoo's and Clams they love to nip everything !

Evelyn · 01-11-2006, 09:51 PM

You'll have to stay tuned for a pic. This guy is NOT going to hold still long enough for any portrait. He is so awesome. Definitely will rule my tank as my celebrity fish. When I went to the LFS tonight, I wasn't really looking for the Eibl, but there were several factors in his favor, price was modest ($30), plus he wasn't just off the boat. He'd been there 3 weeks or more and looked very peppy and healthy. Then he looked me in the eye and begged to go home with me. What else could I do? He has been a treat to watch tonight as I held my breath and let him loose. Exploring everywhere, not at all shy, and so far no interest in chasing anything. His colors, although less gaudy than some of the other angels, are beautiful, a very handsome fish. Lights just went out. I'll cross my fingers everybody's friends in the morning.

Evelyn · 01-12-2006, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cheeks69

Congrats Evelyn but it's obligatory to post a pic...lol

I'm attaching a picture. It doesn't show in post preview so not sure it worked. More pictures of my new Eibl's Angel are at www.shopwithjean.com/Evzfishtank.htm He got through the night and day and he's eating and acting sassy. All is well so far.

reefjitsu · 01-13-2006, 12:37 AM

I may be way out of line with this but..... that seems like an awful lot of fish for a 55 gallon to me. And with that lineup of fish, I would get ready for world war 3 to break out in your tank at any moment. I would keep an eye on the damnsels for sure. They usually play well when young, but the older they get the more territory they will want.
Also, I apologize for sticking my nose in with this unsolicated comment but I am doing it with the intent of helping, not trying to be an @$$.

12-30-2005, 11:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
Evelyn Tunicate Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 11 View Gallery Karma Komment	Advice re Dwarf Angel for 55 Gal. I have a six month old, 55 gal. tank with live rock and a peaceful community of seven (LM Blenny, Yellow-Tailed, Blue Damsel, 3 Chromis, 2 Clowns) fish. I'd like to add one more special fish, maybe a Flame or Lemon Peel Dwf. Angel. Anyone have any advice, comments to help me choose? I have three, small soft corals--Green Star Polyps, a Mushroom, and Brown Button Polyps, but I'm not a reef tank by any stretch. I do know angels like to nip at corals. Thank you and Happy New Year!

12-31-2005, 12:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
Travis Smilie Bartender Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,330 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Advice re Dwarf Angel for 55 Gal. Hi Evelyn and welcome! If you're even thinking about adding more corals (or value the ones you have) I would strongly recommend against the lemonpeel. People say most dwarf angels are a "maybe" - the lemonpeel is nearly guaranteed to be a nipper if not worse! With the flame, you'll be taking a chance as well but many people have successfully kept them in reef tanks. T __________________ Help build the Encyclopedia of ReefKeeping Find over 1400 Reef Aquarium Articles at The Reef Aquarium Index

12-31-2005, 09:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
Evelyn Tunicate Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 11 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Advice re Dwarf Angel for 55 Gal. Thanks. I've found your info confirmed with other research I've been doing so the Flame Angel may be the one! Now I just have to get my nerve up to buy it. My LFS is a great store with clean tanks and healthy fish, but it has no guarantees which, I guess, is normal. They also will not hold a fish for a week while I observe it. It goes to the first person with the money. They are very specific about acclimating. Their formula is to float the fish in the bag for 20 minutes tops, adding water to the float bag during the last 5 min. They say once the bag is open, not to ever let it float more than 5 min. __________________ 55gal AG twinflo, est. 6/23/05, 20 gal sump, 2x96w PC (actinic and 10,000K DL), ASM GX1 P Skimmer w/Sedra 3500 pump, 2 Maxijet 9000 PH, AM 3000 Dosing Pump for top off, 50# LR, 1 Eibl's Angelfish, 2 Perc Clowns, 3 Chromies, 1 LM Blenny, 1 Yell-Tail Blue Damsel, 1 PMint Shrimp, BLHCrabs, Turbo Snail, Green Star & Green Button Polyps, & Mushroom Coral.

12-31-2005, 11:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
blue_eyes53813 fully trained mod,,,its my fault~ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lancaster, Wisconsin Posts: 5,852 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Advice re Dwarf Angel for 55 Gal. 5 minutes seems a little quick. I float the bags for 20-25 minutes. I poor the fish and water into a bowl or bigger bucket. Add 1/2 cup tank water every 4-5 minutes , once the water amount in bowl has doubled. I scoop half water out of bowl and do it all over again. Add 1/2 cup tank water every 4-5 minutes until it doubles again.Probably takes close to 20-25 of adding the tank water.

12-31-2005, 01:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
BoomerD Reef Shark Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,223 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Advice re Dwarf Angel for 55 Gal. Look at the eibli angel and the argi angel. Both stay fairly small, and are relatively non-aggressive. here's more info on the centropyge angels... http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fi...pyge/index.htm __________________ Intelligence is not knowing all the answers, but knowing where and how to find them! www.google.com

12-31-2005, 03:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
fidojoe Fish Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,581 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Advice re Dwarf Angel for 55 Gal. I have a potters angel and so far so good. He picks at the LR and any bits of macro algae he can find, but it seems that he's very careful to avoid any corals when he is picking for food. __________________ *Member "Crabs Are Evil" Society* My Tank: 90g AGA, 18g tall sump, CSS 220 w/ meshmod impeller, 4x54w Tek T5 retro w/ IC reflectors, Kalk reactor w/ aquamedic niveaumat system, a few SPS, LPS, zoos, and a few softies, 2 Ocellaris Clowns (hosted by both a RBTA and GBTA), Yellow Watchman, Potter's angel, Yellow Tang, Foxface, Midas Blenny, Purple Pseudo, huge brittle star, 2 tigertail cukes, fire shrimp, snails, and unfortunately two emerald crabs (the bubble algae got out of control).

01-11-2006, 09:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
Evelyn Tunicate Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 11 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Advice re Dwarf Angel for 55 Gal. Yippee! I made a choice! It's the EIBL'S ANGEL __________________ 55gal AG twinflo, est. 6/23/05, 20 gal sump, 2x96w PC (actinic and 10,000K DL), ASM GX1 P Skimmer w/Sedra 3500 pump, 2 Maxijet 9000 PH, AM 3000 Dosing Pump for top off, 50# LR, 1 Eibl's Angelfish, 2 Perc Clowns, 3 Chromies, 1 LM Blenny, 1 Yell-Tail Blue Damsel, 1 PMint Shrimp, BLHCrabs, Turbo Snail, Green Star & Green Button Polyps, & Mushroom Coral.

01-11-2006, 09:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
cheeks69 Wannabe Guru Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northeast Posts: 6,526 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Advice re Dwarf Angel for 55 Gal. Congrats Evelyn but it's obligatory to post a pic...lol __________________ Robert My Cube “A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” Albert Einstein

01-11-2006, 09:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
Evelyn Tunicate Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 11 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Advice re Dwarf Angel for 55 Gal. You'll have to stay tuned for a pic. This guy is NOT going to hold still long enough for any portrait. He is so awesome. Definitely will rule my tank as my celebrity fish. When I went to the LFS tonight, I wasn't really looking for the Eibl, but there were several factors in his favor, price was modest ($30), plus he wasn't just off the boat. He'd been there 3 weeks or more and looked very peppy and healthy. Then he looked me in the eye and begged to go home with me. What else could I do? He has been a treat to watch tonight as I held my breath and let him loose. Exploring everywhere, not at all shy, and so far no interest in chasing anything. His colors, although less gaudy than some of the other angels, are beautiful, a very handsome fish. Lights just went out. I'll cross my fingers everybody's friends in the morning. __________________ 55gal AG twinflo, est. 6/23/05, 20 gal sump, 2x96w PC (actinic and 10,000K DL), ASM GX1 P Skimmer w/Sedra 3500 pump, 2 Maxijet 9000 PH, AM 3000 Dosing Pump for top off, 50# LR, 1 Eibl's Angelfish, 2 Perc Clowns, 3 Chromies, 1 LM Blenny, 1 Yell-Tail Blue Damsel, 1 PMint Shrimp, BLHCrabs, Turbo Snail, Green Star & Green Button Polyps, & Mushroom Coral.

01-11-2006, 09:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
cheeks69 Wannabe Guru Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northeast Posts: 6,526 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Advice re Dwarf Angel for 55 Gal. Dwarfs are really cool ! Just have to be careful if you have Zoo's and Clams they love to nip everything ! __________________ Robert My Cube “A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” Albert Einstein

01-11-2006, 09:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
Evelyn Tunicate Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 11 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Advice re Dwarf Angel for 55 Gal. You'll have to stay tuned for a pic. This guy is NOT going to hold still long enough for any portrait. He is so awesome. Definitely will rule my tank as my celebrity fish. When I went to the LFS tonight, I wasn't really looking for the Eibl, but there were several factors in his favor, price was modest ($30), plus he wasn't just off the boat. He'd been there 3 weeks or more and looked very peppy and healthy. Then he looked me in the eye and begged to go home with me. What else could I do? He has been a treat to watch tonight as I held my breath and let him loose. Exploring everywhere, not at all shy, and so far no interest in chasing anything. His colors, although less gaudy than some of the other angels, are beautiful, a very handsome fish. Lights just went out. I'll cross my fingers everybody's friends in the morning. __________________ 55gal AG twinflo, est. 6/23/05, 20 gal sump, 2x96w PC (actinic and 10,000K DL), ASM GX1 P Skimmer w/Sedra 3500 pump, 2 Maxijet 9000 PH, AM 3000 Dosing Pump for top off, 50# LR, 1 Eibl's Angelfish, 2 Perc Clowns, 3 Chromies, 1 LM Blenny, 1 Yell-Tail Blue Damsel, 1 PMint Shrimp, BLHCrabs, Turbo Snail, Green Star & Green Button Polyps, & Mushroom Coral.

01-13-2006, 12:37 AM	#14 (permalink)
reefjitsu Plate Coral Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Magic City Posts: 740 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Advice re Dwarf Angel for 55 Gal. I may be way out of line with this but..... that seems like an awful lot of fish for a 55 gallon to me. And with that lineup of fish, I would get ready for world war 3 to break out in your tank at any moment. I would keep an eye on the damnsels for sure. They usually play well when young, but the older they get the more territory they will want. Also, I apologize for sticking my nose in with this unsolicated comment but I am doing it with the intent of helping, not trying to be an @$$. __________________ You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You got to keep on hoping and cover your ears and go "blah blah blah blah"- Futurama

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