Tangs in a New 135

Web2000 · 10-05-2004, 08:26 PM

I am just about to start stocking my new 135. It is FOWLR and I am going to put in a Humu Trigger, Puffer, Harlequin Wrasse, and I'd like to put in three tangs. I really like the Naso Tang, but what tangs would get along okay with the Naso? Also, I am thinking about a lionfish. Would I have problems between the puffer Trigger and Lion?

Thank You
Bill

Craig Manoukian · 10-06-2004, 10:41 AM

Web2000,

The suggested ratio of fish per tank is 1" of adult fish per 5 gallons of water. Assuming no deduction for LR or DSB, that would be a maximum of 27" of adult fish.

Humu Trigger - 10"
Harlequin Wrasse - 10"
Puffer - 12" to 16" depending on the species
Lions - 12" or 7" for Dwarf/Fuzzy
Naso Tang - 16"

As you can see the adult size of these fish will overstock your tank considerably. Trigger fish are listed as a caution with all other fish because of their aggressive and toothy behavior.

If the Trigger was to harras and kill your Puffer the poison released by the Puffer could nuke your tank.

The 135 is really too small for three large territorial tangs like the Naso.

Don't mean to rain on your deal but three 10" or less fish would be the maximum for your FOWLR set-up.

Web2000 · 10-06-2004, 12:40 PM

Thank you for the reply. I guess I'll have to rethink my idea of what to do in there!!

Bill

Craig Manoukian · 10-06-2004, 06:56 PM

No problem Bill, let me know if I can be of any further assistance.

fidojoe · 10-06-2004, 09:50 PM

I think that is more of a general guideline, my tank has about 32" of fish (50 gallon), when they get to ful size, and there are no issues so far. All my fish are more docile fish tho.

Craig Manoukian · 10-07-2004, 12:11 AM

Not to bust your chops Joe but overstocking is not good animal husbandry. Recommending the pushing of the envelope is not what we're about. The above is a standard guideline within the hobby that extends the best opportunity for fish to thrive and not just survive.

I'm glad yours are doing well, but until they are full grown you are operating on theory.

bonerfortuna · 10-07-2004, 10:00 AM

Web , go with Craigs advice. I have a similar setup to yours. I have a 110 display with a 20G sump. In it I have a 5 inch Humu trigger , a 5 inch Purple tang and a 5 inch Majestic Angel.This is no where near their full adult sizes. There is room at this point and its very tempting but good husbandry says dont do it. My tang is the most agressive of the three and I would not suggest more than two differently shaped tangs at the absolute most. All this planning is great and necessary but when it comes time to slowly stock , you have to get lucky with the LFS to get what you want , when you want, in the order and size that you want . Good Luck Peter

aggressivereef · 09-22-2005, 11:44 AM

you can venture somewhat sideways of that standard ratio though as far as some species of marine betta or harlequin tusk are not notable as being great and fast swimmers and on the other hand tangs need far more room especially length to be comfortable in their surroundings. You could have a large angel in a smaller tank generally than a large tang just due to the fact that a tang has sudden bursts of speed especially the sailfin tangs in which they need longer tanks than the ratio provides them. You just need to make sure and do research before you purchase anything from the store like how large they get, what they eat, how much rock they like, where did they come from things like that. For the most part unless your completely loaded no consumer goes to a used car lot and says I want this one because its pretty and then takes it home and finds out it cant care for it (oil changes too much, gas too high, maintenance far more advanced) I am always around if anyone ever needs help in deciding what fish or corals will properly coexist inside of their tanks, . . . . and off my soapbox lol

let me know though if anyone needs help on aim is the fastest way of course

10-05-2004, 08:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
Web2000 Bryozoan Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Santa Clarita, CA Posts: 45 View Gallery Karma Komment	Tangs in a New 135 I am just about to start stocking my new 135. It is FOWLR and I am going to put in a Humu Trigger, Puffer, Harlequin Wrasse, and I'd like to put in three tangs. I really like the Naso Tang, but what tangs would get along okay with the Naso? Also, I am thinking about a lionfish. Would I have problems between the puffer Trigger and Lion? Thank You Bill

10-06-2004, 10:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 15,732 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Web2000, The suggested ratio of fish per tank is 1" of adult fish per 5 gallons of water. Assuming no deduction for LR or DSB, that would be a maximum of 27" of adult fish. Humu Trigger - 10" Harlequin Wrasse - 10" Puffer - 12" to 16" depending on the species Lions - 12" or 7" for Dwarf/Fuzzy Naso Tang - 16" As you can see the adult size of these fish will overstock your tank considerably. Trigger fish are listed as a caution with all other fish because of their aggressive and toothy behavior. If the Trigger was to harras and kill your Puffer the poison released by the Puffer could nuke your tank. The 135 is really too small for three large territorial tangs like the Naso. Don't mean to rain on your deal but three 10" or less fish would be the maximum for your FOWLR set-up. __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

10-06-2004, 06:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 15,732 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	No problem Bill, let me know if I can be of any further assistance. __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

10-06-2004, 09:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
fidojoe Fish Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,581 View Gallery Karma Komment	I think that is more of a general guideline, my tank has about 32" of fish (50 gallon), when they get to ful size, and there are no issues so far. All my fish are more docile fish tho. __________________ *Member "Crabs Are Evil" Society* My Tank: 90g AGA, 18g tall sump, CSS 220 w/ meshmod impeller, 4x54w Tek T5 retro w/ IC reflectors, Kalk reactor w/ aquamedic niveaumat system, a few SPS, LPS, zoos, and a few softies, 2 Ocellaris Clowns (hosted by both a RBTA and GBTA), Yellow Watchman, Potter's angel, Yellow Tang, Foxface, Midas Blenny, Purple Pseudo, huge brittle star, 2 tigertail cukes, fire shrimp, snails, and unfortunately two emerald crabs (the bubble algae got out of control).

10-07-2004, 12:11 AM	#6 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 15,732 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Not to bust your chops Joe but overstocking is not good animal husbandry. Recommending the pushing of the envelope is not what we're about. The above is a standard guideline within the hobby that extends the best opportunity for fish to thrive and not just survive. I'm glad yours are doing well, but until they are full grown you are operating on theory. __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

10-06-2004, 12:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
Web2000 Bryozoan Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Santa Clarita, CA Posts: 45 View Gallery Karma Komment	Thank you for the reply. I guess I'll have to rethink my idea of what to do in there!! Bill

10-07-2004, 10:00 AM	#7 (permalink)
bonerfortuna Star Polyps Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Staten Island NY Posts: 162 View Gallery Karma Komment	Web , go with Craigs advice. I have a similar setup to yours. I have a 110 display with a 20G sump. In it I have a 5 inch Humu trigger , a 5 inch Purple tang and a 5 inch Majestic Angel.This is no where near their full adult sizes. There is room at this point and its very tempting but good husbandry says dont do it. My tang is the most agressive of the three and I would not suggest more than two differently shaped tangs at the absolute most. All this planning is great and necessary but when it comes time to slowly stock , you have to get lucky with the LFS to get what you want , when you want, in the order and size that you want . Good Luck Peter __________________ Peter 110 Tenecor Flat Back Hex FOWLRaZaOM 50 Breeder Reef JBJ Nanocube

09-22-2005, 11:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
aggressivereef Has been struck by the ban stick Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 37 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Tangs in a New 135 you can venture somewhat sideways of that standard ratio though as far as some species of marine betta or harlequin tusk are not notable as being great and fast swimmers and on the other hand tangs need far more room especially length to be comfortable in their surroundings. You could have a large angel in a smaller tank generally than a large tang just due to the fact that a tang has sudden bursts of speed especially the sailfin tangs in which they need longer tanks than the ratio provides them. You just need to make sure and do research before you purchase anything from the store like how large they get, what they eat, how much rock they like, where did they come from things like that. For the most part unless your completely loaded no consumer goes to a used car lot and says I want this one because its pretty and then takes it home and finds out it cant care for it (oil changes too much, gas too high, maintenance far more advanced) I am always around if anyone ever needs help in deciding what fish or corals will properly coexist inside of their tanks, . . . . and off my soapbox lol let me know though if anyone needs help on aim is the fastest way of course

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