FuManChu lions

fidojoe · 11-23-2003, 11:49 PM

Anyone ever had one? My lfs has them, and they are awesome, and I've been looking into getting a lion for my tank. I'm not too concerned about my clown, as she is slightly bigger than the ones that they have at the lfs, and she will be moved to a nano reef soon... hopefully.

Thanks

Travis · 11-24-2003, 12:23 AM

Be concerned.

They can eat swallow fish you never even imagined would fit into their mouths.

Also, be sure to do your research on lions before you get one, great fish but sometimes tough to convince them to eat anything but live food. And freshwater feeders are bad news.

Travis

SaltyQueen · 11-24-2003, 12:39 AM

The following was taken from this article:

http://www.tmc-ltd.co.uk/fish-invert...s/lionfish.asp

"Lionfish will always try to consume fish and invertebrates which are smaller than themselves - even fish that look too big may be found to disappear! The best way to avoid loss of livestock, is to keep a Lionfish-only aquarium, and to make sure,when choosing a group of Lionfish, that they are all of a similar size. "

Also, Lions aren't always reef safe, so if you're got corals or inverts in your tank, they may get eaten/picked at as well.

Craig Manoukian · 11-24-2003, 03:16 AM

I watched in horror as my son's new lionfish ate two good sized and healthy Cardinal fish right before my eyes. An ornamental pistol shrimp befell the same fate!

Great advice from the article SQ quoted!

SaltyQueen · 11-24-2003, 03:52 AM

A firend of mine had one, and though it would be OK because his other fish were fairly large compared to the lion's mouth, but he lost 2 fish & had some damage to a lot of his corals before he removed the lion... IMO, they are just bad news in a reef tank & should be in a tank of their own.

wooddood · 11-24-2003, 04:31 AM

maybe in a fish only with larger fish then him.but not me.

fidojoe · 11-24-2003, 01:59 PM

Thanks for the info

I know their mouths are huge, can open as big or bigger that their bodies, but the ones I was looking at were smaller than my clown, which will be moving next month. My tank is going to be a FOWLR, and I will have a reef in the nano that I will be starting up here in the near future. Or, how would the lion do in the 10 gallon? The fumanchus only get to be ~7" when full grown.

Travis · 11-24-2003, 02:35 PM

Sorry fidoloe, JMO but a 7" fish in a ten gallon tank (10"x20") isn't going to be good for the fish's sanity, or for filtration. Now if the lion is 2-3" and the ten is a temporary home, that's a different story.

Aren't there dwarf lions that only get to 3-4" ? Maybe you should look into those if you want to put a lion in the 10-gallon.

Travis

Maxx · 11-24-2003, 03:00 PM

Radiata lions or Turkey fish stay smaller, but to be honest w/ you 10 gallons is WAAAYYY to small for a lion at all. The amounrt of waste they produce is going to overload the tank rapidly. I wouldnt put a lion in a tank smaller than 30 inches long...and thats as a sole occupant. Plan to do frequent, (weekly) water changes to keep the lion in a smaller tank like I described.
Nick

fidojoe · 11-24-2003, 03:12 PM

The lion would only be in the 10 untill I could get a 29, and I would make sure that is before it gets more thatn 3" because the fish are only ~2". But it is more than likely the clown will go into the nano, and the lion will go into the 50. I really like the looks of the fumanchu, but the fuzzy dwarfs, and other dwarfs are cool too, but I thought all dwarfs got about the same size.

Maxx · 11-24-2003, 03:14 PM

oh...thats a different story then....he'll get big in a hurry tho...
Nick

cheeks69 · 11-24-2003, 03:31 PM

the largest is the Volitan which can grow to 1'3" and the smallest is the Fu Man chu at just about 4" everything else is between 7" to 10"

mwrager · 11-24-2003, 03:36 PM

fidojoe · 11-25-2003, 12:58 AM

Whats so funny MW? Thanks cheks, I saw that a DR. F&S website that the fu only gets to be 4". Thanks everyone for your help, as always

Witfull · 11-25-2003, 01:36 AM

best advice, when you have the tank to put him in then get him. lions are delicate when it comes to transfers, there dorsal spines and pectoral rays break easily. when you do get him, ask your LFS to not use a net but catch him in a specimen container,,its SO much safer for them. spines and nets DO NOT mix.
JMHO

11-23-2003, 11:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
fidojoe Fish Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,581 View Gallery Karma Komment	FuManChu lions Anyone ever had one? My lfs has them, and they are awesome, and I've been looking into getting a lion for my tank. I'm not too concerned about my clown, as she is slightly bigger than the ones that they have at the lfs, and she will be moved to a nano reef soon... hopefully. Thanks __________________ *Member "Crabs Are Evil" Society* My Tank: 90g AGA, 18g tall sump, CSS 220 w/ meshmod impeller, 4x54w Tek T5 retro w/ IC reflectors, Kalk reactor w/ aquamedic niveaumat system, a few SPS, LPS, zoos, and a few softies, 2 Ocellaris Clowns (hosted by both a RBTA and GBTA), Yellow Watchman, Potter's angel, Yellow Tang, Foxface, Midas Blenny, Purple Pseudo, huge brittle star, 2 tigertail cukes, fire shrimp, snails, and unfortunately two emerald crabs (the bubble algae got out of control).

11-24-2003, 12:23 AM	#2 (permalink)
Travis Smilie Bartender Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,330 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Be concerned. They can eat swallow fish you never even imagined would fit into their mouths. Also, be sure to do your research on lions before you get one, great fish but sometimes tough to convince them to eat anything but live food. And freshwater feeders are bad news. Travis __________________ Help build the Encyclopedia of ReefKeeping Find over 1400 Reef Aquarium Articles at The Reef Aquarium Index

11-24-2003, 03:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 15,732 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	I watched in horror as my son's new lionfish ate two good sized and healthy Cardinal fish right before my eyes. An ornamental pistol shrimp befell the same fate! Great advice from the article SQ quoted! __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

11-24-2003, 04:31 AM	#6 (permalink)
wooddood the wood dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CARMEL. INDIANA Posts: 3,450 View Gallery Karma Komment	maybe in a fish only with larger fish then him.but not me. __________________ 120 gal/in wall tank/starboard substraight/2 250 watt 10k xm metal halides/ 4 55watt 03 actinics/150lbs lr/scwd on return/scwd on a closed loop/aquaclear aquatics 200 pro wetdry w/skimmer. ask all the questions you have if we cant answer it we'll make up some thing. remember patience is the key to a kick ass reef. dave.

11-24-2003, 01:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
fidojoe Fish Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,581 View Gallery Karma Komment	Thanks for the info I know their mouths are huge, can open as big or bigger that their bodies, but the ones I was looking at were smaller than my clown, which will be moving next month. My tank is going to be a FOWLR, and I will have a reef in the nano that I will be starting up here in the near future. Or, how would the lion do in the 10 gallon? The fumanchus only get to be ~7" when full grown. __________________ *Member "Crabs Are Evil" Society* My Tank: 90g AGA, 18g tall sump, CSS 220 w/ meshmod impeller, 4x54w Tek T5 retro w/ IC reflectors, Kalk reactor w/ aquamedic niveaumat system, a few SPS, LPS, zoos, and a few softies, 2 Ocellaris Clowns (hosted by both a RBTA and GBTA), Yellow Watchman, Potter's angel, Yellow Tang, Foxface, Midas Blenny, Purple Pseudo, huge brittle star, 2 tigertail cukes, fire shrimp, snails, and unfortunately two emerald crabs (the bubble algae got out of control).

11-24-2003, 12:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
SaltyQueen Scopas Tang Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 400 View Gallery Karma Komment	The following was taken from this article: http://www.tmc-ltd.co.uk/fish-invert...s/lionfish.asp "Lionfish will always try to consume fish and invertebrates which are smaller than themselves - even fish that look too big may be found to disappear! The best way to avoid loss of livestock, is to keep a Lionfish-only aquarium, and to make sure,when choosing a group of Lionfish, that they are all of a similar size. " Also, Lions aren't always reef safe, so if you're got corals or inverts in your tank, they may get eaten/picked at as well.

11-24-2003, 03:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
SaltyQueen Scopas Tang Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 400 View Gallery Karma Komment	A firend of mine had one, and though it would be OK because his other fish were fairly large compared to the lion's mouth, but he lost 2 fish & had some damage to a lot of his corals before he removed the lion... IMO, they are just bad news in a reef tank & should be in a tank of their own.

11-24-2003, 02:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
Travis Smilie Bartender Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,330 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Sorry fidoloe, JMO but a 7" fish in a ten gallon tank (10"x20") isn't going to be good for the fish's sanity, or for filtration. Now if the lion is 2-3" and the ten is a temporary home, that's a different story. Aren't there dwarf lions that only get to 3-4" ? Maybe you should look into those if you want to put a lion in the 10-gallon. Travis __________________ Help build the Encyclopedia of ReefKeeping Find over 1400 Reef Aquarium Articles at The Reef Aquarium Index

11-24-2003, 03:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
Maxx Manta Ray Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: St Louis Mo Posts: 3,079 View Gallery Karma Komment	Radiata lions or Turkey fish stay smaller, but to be honest w/ you 10 gallons is WAAAYYY to small for a lion at all. The amounrt of waste they produce is going to overload the tank rapidly. I wouldnt put a lion in a tank smaller than 30 inches long...and thats as a sole occupant. Plan to do frequent, (weekly) water changes to keep the lion in a smaller tank like I described. Nick __________________ "Chaos, confusion, despair...my work is done here." ...Some guy named Murphy.... A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!" Reef Sanctuary Knowledgebase (Answers to all your questions and then some!)

11-24-2003, 03:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
fidojoe Fish Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,581 View Gallery Karma Komment	The lion would only be in the 10 untill I could get a 29, and I would make sure that is before it gets more thatn 3" because the fish are only ~2". But it is more than likely the clown will go into the nano, and the lion will go into the 50. I really like the looks of the fumanchu, but the fuzzy dwarfs, and other dwarfs are cool too, but I thought all dwarfs got about the same size. __________________ *Member "Crabs Are Evil" Society* My Tank: 90g AGA, 18g tall sump, CSS 220 w/ meshmod impeller, 4x54w Tek T5 retro w/ IC reflectors, Kalk reactor w/ aquamedic niveaumat system, a few SPS, LPS, zoos, and a few softies, 2 Ocellaris Clowns (hosted by both a RBTA and GBTA), Yellow Watchman, Potter's angel, Yellow Tang, Foxface, Midas Blenny, Purple Pseudo, huge brittle star, 2 tigertail cukes, fire shrimp, snails, and unfortunately two emerald crabs (the bubble algae got out of control).

11-24-2003, 03:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
Maxx Manta Ray Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: St Louis Mo Posts: 3,079 View Gallery Karma Komment	oh...thats a different story then....he'll get big in a hurry tho... Nick __________________ "Chaos, confusion, despair...my work is done here." ...Some guy named Murphy.... A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!" Reef Sanctuary Knowledgebase (Answers to all your questions and then some!)

11-24-2003, 03:31 PM	#12 (permalink)
cheeks69 Wannabe Guru Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northeast Posts: 6,533 View Gallery Karma Komment	the largest is the Volitan which can grow to 1'3" and the smallest is the Fu Man chu at just about 4" everything else is between 7" to 10" __________________ Robert My Cube “A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” Albert Einstein

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11-25-2003, 12:58 AM	#14 (permalink)
fidojoe Fish Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,581 View Gallery Karma Komment	Whats so funny MW? Thanks cheks, I saw that a DR. F&S website that the fu only gets to be 4". Thanks everyone for your help, as always __________________ *Member "Crabs Are Evil" Society* My Tank: 90g AGA, 18g tall sump, CSS 220 w/ meshmod impeller, 4x54w Tek T5 retro w/ IC reflectors, Kalk reactor w/ aquamedic niveaumat system, a few SPS, LPS, zoos, and a few softies, 2 Ocellaris Clowns (hosted by both a RBTA and GBTA), Yellow Watchman, Potter's angel, Yellow Tang, Foxface, Midas Blenny, Purple Pseudo, huge brittle star, 2 tigertail cukes, fire shrimp, snails, and unfortunately two emerald crabs (the bubble algae got out of control).

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