Changes/Solution to RSM and homepage - Page 2

Clownfish518 · 09-11-2009, 12:02 PM

It's funny. Last night I was sitting with my nieces and nephews and was discussing Mensa and how I passed the test some years ago, and declined the invitation to join.

I told them that I was curious whether I could pass the test, but would not feel comfortable belong to any organization that was exclusive. That's what this smacks of. I want to be part of a community where everyone belongs, and if this community is no longer that kind, I really question my continued participation.

What is troubling is the lack of interaction with everyone on this, the lack of respect for our opinions and feelings that implies. It is given to us as fait accompli.

Oh well.

sambrinar · 09-11-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphire

However I would say that repetitious questions posted by people without 'venturing into the forum' to see if it's already been answered elsewhere is certainly not limited to the RSM section...... perhaps it's just more obvious amongst the RSM threads as the area is very active?

You are absolutely correct on both accounts!

BigAl07 · 09-11-2009, 12:10 PM

CF I have to say What?

What part of this is touting "exclusivity" ?

Lack of respect? It's out of respect that this change was made.

and fait accompli? How can you say that. It was discussed in great detail on multiple threads over the course of a couple of days. As of this morning most people who were "active" in the discussion seemed to be very pleased with the slight changes that were made. I have no doubt that there will be some who aren't happy but I am confident in time all will be satisfied with the ever so slight modifications.

With all due respect I'm totally lost here buddy.

BigAl07 · 09-11-2009, 12:12 PM

Yes I have to agree with Brenda to agree with Emma. That's pretty much how most forums work but maybe because of the popularity of the RSM's it's just more apparent.

Clownfish518 · 09-11-2009, 12:15 PM

The way it looks to me, we are creating two communities. one for RSM users, one for the rest. Thats how I read this - so that "we" won't have to see "their" posts, and if we want to, we have to navigate (on screens I never use) over to the other site.

As if we don't want anything to do with them - what else is this about?

BigAl07 · 09-11-2009, 12:23 PM

I'm hopeful my PM will make sense of it.

Please understand "Them/They/RSM" are very much a part of the whole RS family and they are not being "cast aside" or denied anything. This small change is to help RS as a whole to continue to be a REEFING community and if there happens to be a "group" within the community that's great too.

Travis · 09-11-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Clownfish518

The way it looks to me, we are creating two communities. one for RSM users, one for the rest. Thats how I read this - so that "we" won't have to see "their" posts, and if we want to, we have to navigate (on screens I never use) over to the other site.

As if we don't want anything to do with them - what else is this about?

I disagree.

It's to
1) protect the general nature of the site as a general reefing forum
2) allow the staff to give leeway to "RSM-Only" threads without RSM members feeling harrassed or "persecuted."

As for "fait accompli", I can't put everything I do up to a vote. It would be disastrous. But I did run my ideas past Reefmack to make sure your group was represented.

Sorry you don't like the change, but I hope you'll give it a chance and see the positive effects it will have.

I really am doing my best. If you have a better idea, please by all means speak up.

T

Reefmack · 09-11-2009, 12:36 PM

Clownfish - I don't feel "cast aside" nor do I feel like I'm considered part of an "exclusive" group. The changes were actually very minor and just affect the "new posts' views. If a person wants to see RSM posts they just do what they always did - go into the RSM club subforum and the new posts are in bold as they always were. To be honest, I like being able to go to "new posts" and NOT see the RSM posts that I've already read showing up. It actually makes it much easier for me to now see new non-RSM posts that I may be interested in. IMO it's a change for the better for all of Reef Sanctuary.

sambrinar · 09-11-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Reefmack

Clownfish - I don't feel "cast aside" nor do I feel like I'm considered part of an "exclusive" group. The changes were actually very minor and just affect the "new posts' views. If a person wants to see RSM posts they just do what they always did - go into the RSM club subforum and the new posts are in bold as they always were. To be honest, I like being able to go to "new posts" and NOT see the RSM posts that I've already read showing up. It actually makes it much easier for me to now see new non-RSM posts that I may be interested in. IMO it's a change for the better for all of Reef Sanctuary.

That is the difference in positive perception and negative perception.. If I was part of this club, I would feel like Reefmack.. very well put!!

I do have one question, although I am not an RSM owner... is there a link somewhere to get to the RSM subforum? Or do you have to put in a different addy

And btw last I looked the RSM threads are still in the new post section, just not on the home page, correct??

BigAl07 · 09-11-2009, 12:43 PM

Brenda it just deals with the New Posts section of the home page.

Blurp · 09-11-2009, 12:45 PM

Truly, my RS homepage setup makes little difference. I usually surf around the whole RS, and then go to RSM club. I can understand that the club is most useful when talking about mods and equipment working/addition.

I'm an active member in several sw sites, and most times these kind of polemics (usually off-topic deviations) tend to die in a little time, I hope it will happen just the same with this one for everyone's sake...

BigAl07 · 09-11-2009, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sambrinar

I do have one question, although I am not an RSM owner... is there a link somewhere to get to the RSM subforum? Or do you have to put in a different addy

Brenda it's located on the Forums page under
Aquarium Club Forums
http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...um-club-forums
then it's labeled as
Red Sea Max Owners Club
http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...x-owners-club/

BigAl07 · 09-11-2009, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blurp

I'm an active member in several sw sites, and most times these kind of polemics (usually off-topic deviations) tend to die in a little time, I hope it will happen just the same with this one for everyone's sake...

Very well spoken and oh so true! This isn't the first time we've seen it here and I'm sure it wont be the last. One thing is that I think we learn something from each time and the next time gets easier.

Reefmack · 09-11-2009, 01:29 PM

sambrinar - "And btw last I looked the RSM threads are still in the new post section, just not on the home page, correct??" Correct - I was wrong on that and have asked Travis if it's only on the "Home" view that RSM posts no longer show. I think I was incorrect on them also not showing up in the New Posts view while in the Forums view.

Travis · 09-11-2009, 03:53 PM

Correct - if you click "new posts" from the upper navigation anywhere in RS, you WILL get RSM posts. This only applies to the set of posts/threads featured on the home page itself.

Sorry for any confusion.

09-11-2009, 12:02 PM	#16 (permalink)
Clownfish518 Razorback Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bentonville, Arkansas Posts: 1,542 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Changes/Solution to RSM and homepage It's funny. Last night I was sitting with my nieces and nephews and was discussing Mensa and how I passed the test some years ago, and declined the invitation to join. I told them that I was curious whether I could pass the test, but would not feel comfortable belong to any organization that was exclusive. That's what this smacks of. I want to be part of a community where everyone belongs, and if this community is no longer that kind, I really question my continued participation. What is troubling is the lack of interaction with everyone on this, the lack of respect for our opinions and feelings that implies. It is given to us as fait accompli. Oh well. __________________ Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem - William of Ockham

09-11-2009, 12:10 PM	#18 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Changes/Solution to RSM and homepage CF I have to say What? What part of this is touting "exclusivity" ? Lack of respect? It's out of respect that this change was made. and fait accompli? How can you say that. It was discussed in great detail on multiple threads over the course of a couple of days. As of this morning most people who were "active" in the discussion seemed to be very pleased with the slight changes that were made. I have no doubt that there will be some who aren't happy but I am confident in time all will be satisfied with the ever so slight modifications. With all due respect I'm totally lost here buddy. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

09-11-2009, 12:12 PM	#19 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Changes/Solution to RSM and homepage Yes I have to agree with Brenda to agree with Emma. That's pretty much how most forums work but maybe because of the popularity of the RSM's it's just more apparent. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

09-11-2009, 12:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
Clownfish518 Razorback Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bentonville, Arkansas Posts: 1,542 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Changes/Solution to RSM and homepage The way it looks to me, we are creating two communities. one for RSM users, one for the rest. Thats how I read this - so that "we" won't have to see "their" posts, and if we want to, we have to navigate (on screens I never use) over to the other site. As if we don't want anything to do with them - what else is this about? __________________ Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem - William of Ockham

09-11-2009, 12:23 PM	#21 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Changes/Solution to RSM and homepage I'm hopeful my PM will make sense of it. Please understand "Them/They/RSM" are very much a part of the whole RS family and they are not being "cast aside" or denied anything. This small change is to help RS as a whole to continue to be a REEFING community and if there happens to be a "group" within the community that's great too. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

09-11-2009, 12:36 PM	#23 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 6,153 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Changes/Solution to RSM and homepage Clownfish - I don't feel "cast aside" nor do I feel like I'm considered part of an "exclusive" group. The changes were actually very minor and just affect the "new posts' views. If a person wants to see RSM posts they just do what they always did - go into the RSM club subforum and the new posts are in bold as they always were. To be honest, I like being able to go to "new posts" and NOT see the RSM posts that I've already read showing up. It actually makes it much easier for me to now see new non-RSM posts that I may be interested in. IMO it's a change for the better for all of Reef Sanctuary. __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

09-11-2009, 12:43 PM	#25 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Changes/Solution to RSM and homepage Brenda it just deals with the New Posts section of the home page. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

09-11-2009, 12:45 PM	#26 (permalink)
Blurp Pistol Shrimp Join Date: May 2009 Location: Palau-solità i Plegamans, Catalunya Posts: 264 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Changes/Solution to RSM and homepage Truly, my RS homepage setup makes little difference. I usually surf around the whole RS, and then go to RSM club. I can understand that the club is most useful when talking about mods and equipment working/addition. I'm an active member in several sw sites, and most times these kind of polemics (usually off-topic deviations) tend to die in a little time, I hope it will happen just the same with this one for everyone's sake... __________________ Blurp's RSM250 Blurp's 450L you can call me Dani

09-11-2009, 01:29 PM	#29 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 6,153 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Changes/Solution to RSM and homepage sambrinar - "And btw last I looked the RSM threads are still in the new post section, just not on the home page, correct??" Correct - I was wrong on that and have asked Travis if it's only on the "Home" view that RSM posts no longer show. I think I was incorrect on them also not showing up in the New Posts view while in the Forums view. __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

09-11-2009, 03:53 PM	#30 (permalink)
Travis Smilie Bartender Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,890 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Changes/Solution to RSM and homepage Correct - if you click "new posts" from the upper navigation anywhere in RS, you WILL get RSM posts. This only applies to the set of posts/threads featured on the home page itself. Sorry for any confusion. __________________ Help build the Encyclopedia of ReefKeeping Find over 1400 Reef Aquarium Articles at The Reef Aquarium Index

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