Issues with RS

[kennerd]

Well, make it three tax accountants in a row (and yes, my cranuem is that large: mongo brainwaves, folks)

Originally posted by tankgirl

The problem with moving a great thread to the slow forums is that things get shoved off the home page (and "Get New") in a matter of 3 hours or so. Most people here are like me, they only check in once a day and probably don't go thru every forum.

Getting that same feeling right now, are you, TG?

I think one of the main problems with threads of this nature is the fact that they are moved to the "properly designated forum" (ie: feedback, etc.), where 90% of the people spend 5% of their time, if you're lucky. Typically, this is done to prevent any public flare-ups from getting out of hand, but tends to close the door to hash things out in private.

[Crakeur]

ken, I am a believer in posting in the proper forum. If a thread gets moved to another, more appropriate forum, that's fine by me. However, if you move some that are questionable, move em all.

(not looking to make waves now but this is a galring example of not moving a thread that should be moved).

The goodmorning thread is a daily occurrance in the general section. The time we woke up and the local weather is about as off topic as I can think of and that thread should be in the off topic forum. It isn't, most likely because it is a daily thread and it is one of those things that becomes routine, so you leave it be.

move it to the off topic area, move em all to the right areas and the general section won't be overcrowded with pages of new posts.

I know it's a nightmare for the mods but you know what, you take the good with the bad. you wanted to moderate, and that's part of the job. Look at it this way, it's a pain in the rump but it's a small price to pay for the power bestowed upon you.

[ScottT1980]

The goodmorning thread is a daily occurrance in the general section. The time we woke up and the local weather is about as off topic as I can think of and that thread should be in the off topic forum. It isn't, most likely because it is a daily thread and it is one of those things that becomes routine, so you leave it be.

I believe this came up in another suggestion thread and it was established by the mods that an exception had/has been made for the good morning threads. I think the premise (and I don't want to speak for the mods here) is that it represents the "family atmosphere" that we (being the members as a whole) strive for on RS. I can't remember where it was discussed, perhaps I can try to find the link...

Take er easy
Scott T.

Edit: Here is the thread

[BoomerD]

I really haven't been following the dramas here, but in this thread, I have seen what appears to be one common denominator. Is it just me, or have the ones being censored/banned/warned, mostly been some of the Nano'ers that recently came over from the other forum?
NOT trying to pick on any of them, everyone, regardless of tank size should be welcome, but it seems that most of the names I have seen bandied about here have been from that most recent migration. I'm not trying to point fingers at anyone either, so please don't be offended if I'm wrong on that. I don't know what the issues have been about, whether off-color jokes or statements, flaming, or what, but I know there have been a couple of timeswhere I MIGHT have posted something that was considered a bit "risque" for the family nature of this board, and asked to tone it down and edit my post. Many people just don't realize that because of the diversity of the members, different ages, ethnic origins, national origins, whatever, many things that we might discuss in our normal lives, or language we would normally use, would be offensive to many other of the members. I know personally, I tend to have a real "sewer mouth" when at work, and sometimes, I have a difficult time expressing what I want to say, without resorting to some of that language. (*^$#^%&*$#!!) As I said, I've been asked to edit & tone it down myself.
We just all need to realize these things, and try to keep everything we say here on a level that we wouldn't mind if our grandmothers or our children were to happen upon.
As to the moving of posts, ya, sometimes it's not convenient for us, as we may try to follow a thread, but when there's something I really want to keep up on, I just bookmark it. Ya, the eye candy threads in my opinion, should be left where thy can be most easily found, rather than shunted off to the photo forum, but, hey, it's not my forum, I don't have to deal with all the day to day maintenance issues of one of these boards.
O.K., off the soap box, I'm done for now!

[mick77]

Hey, it's Saint Patty's day! I think everybody needs to let loose a little, so here's a joke I found:

One day, a blonde named Sally was putting together a puzzle. She was really stumped and very frustrated, so she decided to ask her husband for help.

''It's supposed to be a tiger!'' Sally cried.

''Honey," said Dan, "Put the Frosted Flakes back in the box!''

If you're blonde, please don't take offense, instead take a shot at me, I don't mind! If you need help, I'm 26, pasty white, 15 lbs. overweight, and live in the midwest. I just found it very funny and thought I could try to bring a little humor into this thread.

[mojoreef]

Crakeur since I am the person that moved this thread here I would assume that the above comments are directed towards me. Personally I dont see a problem with it nor do I see it as a part of some great consipircy or cover up. I think we can all understand that alot of folks come to the general forum to discuss things other then what is being discussed here. This forum was set up to handle problems of this nature and and other simular ones. I dont really see a problem.
You wrote a good post here, but I think you also have to look at things from both sides. You admittedly push peoples buttons and skirt the rules set forth, come on, you cant see a reason for being watch ??? Most folks would recieve the warning and understand hey they dont like this kind of stuff here, and respond with OK cool with me, or hey I dont really like the feel here so I will go elsewhere. To continue to skirt the rules and push buttons, speaks to me that you are kinda getting a kick out of it??? or you would just not bother. Maybe I am blind.

as per the "power bestowed upon you" now that is kinda funny. What power do you feel a moderator has that is so special?? You want that power?? you can have mine, lol.

Bryan I am not sure if you are taking about me, but if you are I would like it if you could expand on your comments a bit more for me.???

Dingo you say my over-zealousness created an inflamatory situation. Hmmm??? is thier something I am zealious after??? I guess its kind of funny that people see things is such different lights. To me it kinda looked like some folks didnt get to play the game they wanted, and are a bit upset about it. Different personalities I guess.


MIke

[kennerd]

I should hope the discussion was in the suggestion box forum.

Crak: my comment above was how ironic that a thread that was originally directed at moving a popular thread to the "dead zone" was, in fact, moved to a secluded, albeit, not hidden, area of RS.

I have not criticized anyone openly here, and I rarely do, unless backed into a corner: not my style. Your site does seem rather like a large support group for one another, and there does seem to be a lot of posting of back-patting and high-fiving, which is fine, as I guess the name of the site fits for the group. Once again, fine.

Just remember, you're out there in the intarweb: yu're likely to attract your share of flies. As Bryan said a page ago, sites have become a bit homogenous, but some have stayed true to the animal they've created of themselves, and the collective ideals of the folks who run it.

Just don't pigeonhole yourselves too tightly, and realize that there are some opinions that ought to be allowed to be voiced. To my knowledge, no one in this place has been an outright slanderous, foul mouthed idiot (no offense to anyone considering themselves one, thank you), and living scared of that guy coming along can't be terribly fun.

clients....argh

[drdrew]

i came over with that group and i haven't been censored banned or warned.

should i feel threatened because i was part of that migration?

[Alf]

Originaly Posted by: Craig Manoukian
TG, I am sorry to hear of your disatisfaction and it was probably me that moved the thread to the Photo Gallery - terminal anal retentivness.

Sorry Craig Can't let you do that. It was me. a couple times a week I go in move all the photo threads and such to the proper forum I belive they belong based on why they were formed. When I moved the Robz Thread it was only after it was on the second page of the general forum. And If I remember correctly I did leave it there a few days.

TG want to be mad at someone be mad at me. Sorry, was not trying to offend any one just doing what we mod's do. General is for General and when you post things that may need to be in another forum we simply move it. I do have a habit of Tagging the threads I moved. Must have missed that one. I will pick up the habit again just so everyone will know when to come to me.

I understand the frustration being addressed here, and agree with quite a bit. I have express a few concerns in this area myself. So Don't think we want address these issues. As said before " GROWING PAINS" when people are close tempers fly. The ones closest to us always feel the wrath, Just ask your partner in life if you have one.

[kennerd]

Hey, wasn't "Growing Pains" on around the same year as "Alf"? Huh....

Boomer: it's ironic that you mention the NR migration, and honestly, feel that subject should just plain be dropped. As it was explained to me in a "well, here it is in a nutshell, but we won't get into details about it....we don't do that here" way, whole reason for RS in the first place was because of a community that was considered persecutive, overbearing, and underhanded. A group of us left the "other site" for much lesser reasons than that, and there seems to be a legend about it:

don't believe the hype.......we're not worth it.

[tankgirl]

kennerd, Yeah, my heart sank when I saw that happen. I think this is important and would have liked to see it stay 'available' for at least 24 hours before it got parked in a closet.

My hopes were SO high for this place. Maybe too high. Some quotes from another thread about our hopes and dreams for this forum;

ReefLady: The question has been asked - how do we make our "niche" - what will distinguish this site from all the other reefing sites out there? 1) Community -- that is you. The members are the building blocks. You set the tone, self-moderate, and present an "attitude" that welcomes (and retains) newcomers.

tankgirl: That's one of my dreams; information without politics!

Curtswearing: Tech is good. However, it's the people who keep people coming back. Pic's of great tanks, honest (two-way and nice) discussions of real reefing issues, and the recommendations of those tank-owners are extremely valuable. We can also discuss "meatier" issues without fear of retribution. Don't reefer's deserve both sides of the coin???

What happened? Instead we have;
Mods who got overzealous with their power, who make changes and edits on a whim without any consensus, put out fires before there are fires to put out, who change history, congratulate themselves with how great they are, brag and making their experience and expertise sound bigger than it is, power cliques of self-congratulating mods, repressing any hint of differing opinions and being pretty mean about it. Oh, and mods and mod-wanna-bes who're so eager to post in every single thread that the atmosphere gets really thick with insincere crapola. It's obviously apparent to others too.

My dream was of a public reef forum where everyone's opinion could be expressed and shared and respected - not shuttled to some sidetrack or edited. I agree that some topics are verboten, off-track. I agree that if members don't self-police, then the mods have to. But the hypocrisy is pretty bad here. Nobody wants to be micro-managed and controlled so minutely that every word is stilted. Some of the mods are the worst offenders for the very stuff they moderate; jokes, sidetracking threads, etc.

Let's please address these issues! Don't hide them.

[LuckyInk]

Originally posted by tankgirl
...and mod-wanna-bes who're so eager to post in every single thread that the atmosphere gets really thick with insincere crapola.

I had a good chuckle to myself when I read this, cuz I have been thinking it for a while now!

[Crakeur]

Scott et al, I wasn't complaining about this thread being moved and I wasn't singling anyone out.

since one of tankgirl's issues was the moving of a thread, I was stating that they should all be moved to the appropriate forum but they aren't. I think I was rather clear when I said that the gm thread was an example of the kind of thread that has become the exception because it has become a custom. I wasn't complaining, merely using it as an example.

With regards to the powers that are bestowed upon you as a mod, you do have powers. I can go and edit anyone else's post. I can merely ask you to change yours. I can't ban someone (I know, you can't without a group decision but I can't even suggest it). I can only post. Thus, the mods have more power here than I do. I'm not knocking it, I'm saying that moving threads is a pain in the butt but it comes with the territory. With power comes responsibility. One of those responsibilities is moving threads when the move is deemed appropriate (mod decides if it's appropriate to move - another power as it were).


I really think y'all need to stop reading between the lines on every post. This is another example of the added scrutiny that my posts seem to get.

Reread the first paragraph of my last post. I said threads should be moved to the appropriate forum and it's fine by me. It didn't belong in the general section to begin with.

touchy folks. I'm agreeing with some of your points.

[jks1]

I'm having a hard time following here- this whole discussion started because a photo thread was moved to a photo forum after it had been on the second page for a day or so?

I post here just about every day and have never been "warned or told to tone down". I am certain if you post is regarding reefkeeping it will not require such warnings.

TG, I have a lot of respect for you although Ive never personnaly met you. Your opinions are very valued. I just dont see what the point is with this thread.

[tankgirl]

Craig, lying about moving the Rob thread is kind of a lousy thing to do. My biggest issue here is about deceit. I would so much like to get some truth here.

Alf, you didn't respond to any of my issues about Robs thread. It's not about photography - it's about reefkeeping. Do you think information can only be imparted with words? Do you think only threads with words should be allowed in the Gen. Discussion forum? If so, why isn't that a uniform decision? Why doesn't it apply to everyone? Robs thread is one of the 10 most popular and visited threads ever on this forum. Luis's similar "Dreams come true" thread is on page 3, so Robs thread on page 2 doesn't convince me at all.

I think the GM thread is about as useless and idiotic as it gets. But, I respect the fact that others enjoy it! If you guys want to do stuff like that - at least make it fair and make it apply to every one equally.

jks, sorry, I don't mean to get so heated. But, the answers I'm getting are worrying me a bunch. Robs thread isn't about photography!!! It's about reefkeeping and is pretty general.