New Rare fish in the shop - Page 2

kathywithbirds · 05-16-2008, 03:29 AM

I'm gonna have to go back to the LFS to see which one it was. The major differences, at least looking at those pics, seems to be the tail ... and the peppermint and two spot look a little more elegant in the face to me. Could be the pics though.

CMG · 05-16-2008, 11:42 AM

The "rareity" of some fish I think depends on the way an LFS gets fish. I think they go to wholesalers or local breeders?? I dont know since i dont run a shop but there are two LFS's where I live and one always gets the black and white clowns and the other has never had them. When I asked the one that doesnt have them they said they are rare and hardly ever get any. So I think it depends on an LFS's sources to a certain degree.

Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents experience.

AQTCJAK · 05-16-2008, 11:46 AM

agreed local breeders can get stuff alot faster than wild caught like the wholesalers

Dentoid · 05-16-2008, 11:58 AM

Boomer, I was wondering if the differences had something to do with age. We had a brief discussion of this Genus in my chronicle when I obtained my sepiacaudus. Is this a newly defined species?

Boomer · 05-17-2008, 01:44 PM

Yes Den it is a newly deifned speices as of 2006 by Gomon. Gomon restudied this genus and made a number of changes. You will see pics of the juv and the adult. n. sp. = new species

pics
http://australian.museum/pdf/publica...460_part_c.pdf

restudy
http://www.austmus.gov.au/pdf/public...0_complete.pdf

kathywithbirds · 05-17-2008, 02:56 PM

Hey Boomer, without me reading both of those (lazy), what are they basing the change on? Is it something like coloration or are we talking more like bone structure or habitat?

thelastmucci · 05-17-2008, 03:05 PM

Jack, that mandarin is gorgeous....I hope one day I can have one.

Also just went to your website...I've read in posts about "the store" but never made the conncetion...that's great that you are able to make your hobby into a living. For some reason I always thought you owned a gentlemens club...go figure.

AQTCJAK · 05-17-2008, 03:35 PM

This is just a hobby the Bar is another business

Boomer · 05-17-2008, 03:52 PM

Kathy

Fish species are never based on color. It will deal with things like gill rakers, laterial line scale count, fin ray/spine count, teeth, head/rostrum profile. At times phyloric cacea count, mouth color, bone structure, scale rows, mouth length, various body/or bone ratios and body patterns.

myerst22 · 05-17-2008, 03:53 PM

Well one persons rare fish is another mans common fish. The Psuedo is a bit rare but not seen often because they are that desirable. The Peppermint Hog can be obtained easily at around a 130.00, where they used to be 400-500 a couple of years ago. The pseudo doesn't do anything for me just like the a Black Tang seems dull to most I absolutely love mine. The Hog is a stunning fish and have always wanted to keep one. Good luck with them. How is the aggression level of the Pseudo? It's not like a Stein's is it? Regards, Tim

05-16-2008, 03:29 AM	#16 (permalink)
kathywithbirds Social Darwinism victim Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Hood, NJ Posts: 5,749 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: New Rare fish in the shop I'm gonna have to go back to the LFS to see which one it was. The major differences, at least looking at those pics, seems to be the tail ... and the peppermint and two spot look a little more elegant in the face to me. Could be the pics though. __________________ (\_/) (\__/) ( . .) (^.^) (")(") (> <) Bunny and Bunnina have worked things out. Bunny was mistaken after all, Bunnina was not having an affair. "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." ~Lin Yutang

05-16-2008, 11:42 AM	#17 (permalink)
CMG Torch coral Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sonoma County, CA Posts: 587 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New Rare fish in the shop The "rareity" of some fish I think depends on the way an LFS gets fish. I think they go to wholesalers or local breeders?? I dont know since i dont run a shop but there are two LFS's where I live and one always gets the black and white clowns and the other has never had them. When I asked the one that doesnt have them they said they are rare and hardly ever get any. So I think it depends on an LFS's sources to a certain degree. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents experience. __________________ My Chronical: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...wlr-setup.html 40g, Purple Dartfish (squirley), Banggai Cardinal (Spot), 3 sand sifting snails, 3 nerite snails and a golden banded shrimp (Batman).

05-16-2008, 11:46 AM	#18 (permalink)
AQTCJAK Tiger Shark Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 7,136 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New Rare fish in the shop agreed local breeders can get stuff alot faster than wild caught like the wholesalers __________________ A Wiseman once said build a stage add a pole & they will dance - Jack 2007 www.aquaticaggression.com Projects & Chronicels http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...car-buffs.html http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...nts-tanks.html

05-16-2008, 11:58 AM	#19 (permalink)
Dentoid Over Achiever Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 10,240 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: New Rare fish in the shop Boomer, I was wondering if the differences had something to do with age. We had a brief discussion of this Genus in my chronicle when I obtained my sepiacaudus. Is this a newly defined species? __________________ Scott Dentoid's Reeforama

05-17-2008, 01:44 PM	#20 (permalink)
Boomer Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,157 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: New Rare fish in the shop Yes Den it is a newly deifned speices as of 2006 by Gomon. Gomon restudied this genus and made a number of changes. You will see pics of the juv and the adult. n. sp. = new species pics http://australian.museum/pdf/publica...460_part_c.pdf restudy http://www.austmus.gov.au/pdf/public...0_complete.pdf __________________ Boomer Want to Talk Chemistry ! The Reef Chemistry Forum Want to See More ! The Coral Realm If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

05-17-2008, 02:56 PM	#21 (permalink)
kathywithbirds Social Darwinism victim Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Hood, NJ Posts: 5,749 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: New Rare fish in the shop Hey Boomer, without me reading both of those (lazy), what are they basing the change on? Is it something like coloration or are we talking more like bone structure or habitat? __________________ (\_/) (\__/) ( . .) (^.^) (")(") (> <) Bunny and Bunnina have worked things out. Bunny was mistaken after all, Bunnina was not having an affair. "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." ~Lin Yutang

05-17-2008, 03:35 PM	#23 (permalink)
AQTCJAK Tiger Shark Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 7,136 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New Rare fish in the shop This is just a hobby the Bar is another business __________________ A Wiseman once said build a stage add a pole & they will dance - Jack 2007 www.aquaticaggression.com Projects & Chronicels http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...car-buffs.html http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...nts-tanks.html

05-17-2008, 03:52 PM	#24 (permalink)
Boomer Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,157 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: New Rare fish in the shop Kathy Fish species are never based on color. It will deal with things like gill rakers, laterial line scale count, fin ray/spine count, teeth, head/rostrum profile. At times phyloric cacea count, mouth color, bone structure, scale rows, mouth length, various body/or bone ratios and body patterns. __________________ Boomer Want to Talk Chemistry ! The Reef Chemistry Forum Want to See More ! The Coral Realm If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

05-17-2008, 03:53 PM	#25 (permalink)
myerst22 Midas Blenny Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sag Harbor, NY Posts: 102 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: New Rare fish in the shop Well one persons rare fish is another mans common fish. The Psuedo is a bit rare but not seen often because they are that desirable. The Peppermint Hog can be obtained easily at around a 130.00, where they used to be 400-500 a couple of years ago. The pseudo doesn't do anything for me just like the a Black Tang seems dull to most I absolutely love mine. The Hog is a stunning fish and have always wanted to keep one. Good luck with them. How is the aggression level of the Pseudo? It's not like a Stein's is it? Regards, Tim __________________ Fishes live in the sea, as men do a-land; the great ones eat up the little ones. William Shakespeare I believe in God, only I spell it Nature. Frank Lloyd Wright

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