10 reasons that I shouldn't get a Lionfish

[DrHank]

Folks, I need your help again. My wife wants a Lionfish (Red Volitan) in the 155 gallon bow front. I need as many valid reasons as possible why I shouldn't get one.

The possibility of accidentally getting envenomed is undoubtedly number one.

May only eat live food would be another reason.

Your help would be appreciated.

[reefjitsu]

Hmmm, you are not comfortable with a lionfish, so you may be less inclined to put your hands in there to clean. As a result the tank won't look as good as it could.

Lionfish produce huge amounts of waste and are thus more of a load on your biofilter. You could keep more varieties of fish without one.

[mps9506]

Because you said so and that's the final word! (can you tell I'm not married)

This is a long shot but might work... There are lots of volitans being found on the east coast now eating up our local fish. by you not purchasing one more it encourages the LFS to purchase fewer lions in the future and makes it less likely to have more eventually released in the wild... maybe.. streching ...
I also don't remember what fish you have, but lions have a very boring personality when they aren't eating, just sit on the rock.
Get something cool looking that swims around like a harlequin tusk wrasse...

[cracker]

[quote=mps9506;357948]Because you said so and that's the final word! (can you tell I'm not married)

I'm with mps. Being single has it's advantages! I'd go with the poisoin danger & that it will eat that other smaller favorite fish. Does your Wife have friends with young children? Imagine what could happen to an inquisitive child or uninformed grown up kid as well!

[sasquatch]

its easy Hank, just start a new death tank (for madam) I like the lions but there are those pesky issues

[caitrina]

Cracker hit the nail on the head and I quote "Imagine what could happen to an inquisitive child or uninformed grown up kid as well!" I will add onto that , uninformed person, period, no if's ands or buts. That would really frighten me out of having one. Furthermore you just don't know what might spook them while you are in close proximity to them and WHAM, Gotcha'

I guess another thing would be...Homeowners insurance will not allow a Lionfish and if you find one that will, then the rates are doubled, maybe even tripled...(make sure she doesn't get out the HO policy to look for that clause) and not only that...hey she has a blue tang on it's way...when I can catch the stupid thing...guess it isn't so stupid, is it?

[Witfull]

1-will she clean the tank?
2-it will eat cute lil Nemo
3-the bigger they get the less cute they are
4-they get territorial and if defending turf, they lung spines first
5-getting stung hurts,,,for days
6-they often times go blind from improper feeding
7-#6 often results in mistaken identity which may cause #4 & #5
8-they are boring and drab...wouldn't she like something bright and colorful?
9-one lionfish = 3 bright and pretty fish
10- (use only as a last resort!) there is a sale at the Jewelry store honey~

[prow]

not a lion honey, not only will they eat up all the other fish but they like to sit on corals and cover them up. it might pop the our brain

[Ntruder]

Just go to YouTube and search for lionfish and feeding. There's probably enough there to scare her off.

[DrHank]

Thanks folks. Because I said so won't work (if you've been married to the same woman for 37 years you'll understand that's the last thing you ever want to say). Homeowners insurance prohibition won't work (she'll want to see it in wrining, we have a Rottweiller). Jewelry store sale is too dangerous (That's ok honey, you can get me both). Volitans eating up local fish will result in her telling me that I'll be keeping one from being introduced into the wild.

I kind of like the you have to feed them live saltwater fish. That would be too expensive.

Thanks folks, I think that we're heading there.

[prow]

Originally Posted by DrHank

I kind of like the you have to feed them live saltwater fish. That would be too expensive.

dont forget to add the cost of the current fish. one vacation and you could come home to a lions den instead of a reef community.

[AQTCJAK]

Dr hank this is what I do every time someone buys something of that nature

Aquatic Aggression


Informed Consent and Release Agreement


I, ______________________________ (Client), wish to purchase one or more venomous and/or aggressive fish or other type(s) of venomous and/or aggressive aquatic creature(s) from Aquatic Aggression and, in consideration of Aquatic Aggression’s agreement to hereafter provide me with such fish and/or aquatic creature(s) in accordance with its then-prevailing rates and fees, represent and agree to the following with respect to Aquatic Aggression and, as used in this Informed Consent and Release Agreement, “Aquatic Aggression” includes its owners, employees, associates, agents and vendors:

I understand that the fish and/or aquatic creature(s) that I am purchasing from Aquatic Aggression are wild, non-trainable creatures that are poisonous and/or aggressive and, unless they are kept in a secure environment and physically isolated from other species, can be potentially deadly or otherwise dangerous and harmful to humans (including, but not limited to, me, my family and my guests) and other aquatic and non-aquatic creatures;

I understand that the purchase and keeping of the fish and/or aquatic creatures that I am purchasing from Aquatic Aggression is not without risk to either myself, my family, my guests or my property, and that the fish and/or aquatic creatures that I am purchasing from Aquatic Aggression may inflict serious and permanent injury, including death, to my person, my family, my guests and/or my property;

I agree and promise that, by purchasing from Aquatic Aggression a venomous and/or aggressive fish and/or other type(s) of venomous and/or aggressive aquatic creature, I am representing without reservation or equivocation that the risks associated with the purchase and keeping of such fish and/or aquatic creature(s) have been explained by Aquatic Aggression to my complete satisfaction and the ultimate and final responsibility for such risks is fully and voluntarily accepted by me and will be borne by me alone and that I will not seek to hold Aquatic Aggression liable or responsible, by an action at law or otherwise, for any injury, loss or damage to my person or property, or the person or property of any other person, resulting directly or indirectly from my purchase and/or keeping of such fish and/or aquatic creatures whether caused by the negligence of Aquatic Aggression, or otherwise and, further, that I will defend, indemnify and save harmless Aquatic Aggression from any claim or demand made against it by anyone, whether acting on my behalf or not, by an action at law or otherwise, arising out of or concerning such injury, loss or damage.

I have read and understand the representations, agreements and promises recited in this Informed Consent and Release Agreement, and adopt them freely and voluntarily as governing completely and exclusively my relationship with Aquatic Aggression with respect to the matters addressed, and each of them, to the fullest extent permitted by California law.






_________________________________________ _________________________________________
Client Name (Print) Date Client Signature

[JFK_Jr]

Originally Posted by AQTCJAK

Dr hank this is what I do every time someone buys something of that nature

Aquatic Aggression


Informed Consent and Release Agreement


I, ______________________________ (Client), wish to purchase one or more venomous and/or aggressive fish or other type(s) of venomous and/or aggressive aquatic creature(s) from Aquatic Aggression and, in consideration of Aquatic Aggression’s agreement to hereafter provide me with such fish and/or aquatic creature(s) in accordance with its then-prevailing rates and fees, represent and agree to the following with respect to Aquatic Aggression and, as used in this Informed Consent and Release Agreement, “Aquatic Aggression” includes its owners, employees, associates, agents and vendors:

I understand that the fish and/or aquatic creature(s) that I am purchasing from Aquatic Aggression are wild, non-trainable creatures that are poisonous and/or aggressive and, unless they are kept in a secure environment and physically isolated from other species, can be potentially deadly or otherwise dangerous and harmful to humans (including, but not limited to, me, my family and my guests) and other aquatic and non-aquatic creatures;

I understand that the purchase and keeping of the fish and/or aquatic creatures that I am purchasing from Aquatic Aggression is not without risk to either myself, my family, my guests or my property, and that the fish and/or aquatic creatures that I am purchasing from Aquatic Aggression may inflict serious and permanent injury, including death, to my person, my family, my guests and/or my property;

I agree and promise that, by purchasing from Aquatic Aggression a venomous and/or aggressive fish and/or other type(s) of venomous and/or aggressive aquatic creature, I am representing without reservation or equivocation that the risks associated with the purchase and keeping of such fish and/or aquatic creature(s) have been explained by Aquatic Aggression to my complete satisfaction and the ultimate and final responsibility for such risks is fully and voluntarily accepted by me and will be borne by me alone and that I will not seek to hold Aquatic Aggression liable or responsible, by an action at law or otherwise, for any injury, loss or damage to my person or property, or the person or property of any other person, resulting directly or indirectly from my purchase and/or keeping of such fish and/or aquatic creatures whether caused by the negligence of Aquatic Aggression, or otherwise and, further, that I will defend, indemnify and save harmless Aquatic Aggression from any claim or demand made against it by anyone, whether acting on my behalf or not, by an action at law or otherwise, arising out of or concerning such injury, loss or damage.

I have read and understand the representations, agreements and promises recited in this Informed Consent and Release Agreement, and adopt them freely and voluntarily as governing completely and exclusively my relationship with Aquatic Aggression with respect to the matters addressed, and each of them, to the fullest extent permitted by California law.






_________________________________________ _________________________________________
Client Name (Print) Date Client Signature

That is so cool! Nuf said!

[DrHank]

Jack, I love it. It may help me get the point across. You never know if you may be allergic to it (that is until you're envenomed) and at that point, it could be too late. Going to print it out and show it to the wife. Hopefully, that will do it.

She always asks me why I didn't know (whatever it is) before. I tell her that there are so many creatures that I cant fully research them all. I only thoroughly investigate those that I am considering for the tank. She's disappointed but seems to accept that response. I think there are enough negatives to talk her out of it.

Cat, I'd much rather have the bule hippo than the lionfish. That is if you can ever outsmart him. Keep trying! I can't tell you how many times I've been outsmarted by a fish.

[Jova]

I bought a volitan lionfish because I loved the way that they look, but that got old after a few months. They never move. They just sit there until you drop food in. Then they eat it real quick and return to their resting place and sit there until you feed them again. Not very interesting, at least for me. Mine eventually got fin rot and died.