We can't have nice things

Travis · 09-19-2007, 02:35 AM

Somebody's bots spammed up ReefPedia real good.

Until I can get it all cleaned up, you will have to create an account and log in to edit any pages on the Wiki. Now, off to hunt for new botsquashers....

Woodstock · 09-19-2007, 05:53 AM

Anselth · 09-19-2007, 06:04 AM

Kids and their toys.

Frankie · 09-19-2007, 08:27 AM

blue_eyes53813 · 09-19-2007, 09:20 AM

ohh that is terrible..some people

kathywithbirds · 09-19-2007, 09:43 AM

What's a bot?

Woodstock · 09-19-2007, 09:43 AM

I vote they are captured and thrown into a tank filled with blue legged hermits!

Travis · 09-19-2007, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kathywithbirds

What's a bot?

Automated program that acts like a person manually spamming the crap out of one of my sites. They don't sleep or take breaks.

BigAl07 · 09-19-2007, 09:52 AM

a bot is a software program designed to do a specific task.. some just scroll around trying to find security holes.. some do nothing more than try to register websites to drop messages and links for spam and some just multiply and spread spyware. The sad news is they get better and better at working around our defenses each and every day. It's a never ending battle and gets tougher each and every day.

When you register at a sight and it has a picture of letters and numbers that are hard to make out/read that's one way to TRY and defeat a bot from registering. But unfortunately they are getting around that many times.

Try this link
What Is A Bot (or Zombie)?
Internet bot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Allen

sasquatch · 09-19-2007, 09:58 AM

I read something about a study on wikipedia about the number of edits lowering the percentage of reliability, a university prof has a program for spotting nonsense imputs, is this just malicious stupidity or is there an actual purpose to spamming, sorry about the new job Travis,happy hunting. Steve

BigAl07 · 09-19-2007, 10:06 AM

Unfortunately spamming is a HUGE industry. If you sit back and look at the shear number of people that can be spammed at any given moment and realize that can be done automatically and realize it only takes a very small percentage of users to "fall" for it to make it proffitable. Just think of it like this... if you write a spam bot to simply go and drop a link in a forum like ours for fake/generic "ED" medicine. Some guy is one here looking late at night about reefing and just happens to see the link and think "This might be for me!" He clicks and orders one order of this bogus medicine. It was done totally FREE to the company with no input from anyone but the customer.

Spamming is HUGE business and so is spyware and adware. We have college kids over seas making HUGE amounts of money to sit at home and write these programs. They get paid by "hits". Suppose they get paid $.01 per hit. They write a spambot that sends 50,000 people to a site a day just hap-hazzardly. That kind just made $500 for that day. Now the company is only betting on a 4-9% order ratio. Let's say an average order is $30. If we use 4% (very low indeed) that company is making roughly $60,000. Now you see where this is BIG business. It's sad but true.

Allen

sasquatch · 09-19-2007, 10:14 AM

LOl Allen you Geek! That is not really good news! are there penalty's if their caught? can I do this from home?

BigAl07 · 09-19-2007, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sasquatch

LOl Allen you Geek! That is not really good news! are there penalty's if their caught? can I do this from home?

Yes I am a geek. I actually have a side business fighting these jerks and that side business goes a LONG way to pay for my hobbies.

There are penalties over HERE on THIS side of the pond but a lot of this is done in remote areas of the world and a LOT of this is so new to society that laws are slow to catch up.

Can you do it from home? That's up to your an your wife

Allen

AQTCJAK · 09-19-2007, 11:50 AM

Travis,

I wish you all the luck there is I to am @ a constant battle with people that like to cause damage. I am rather lucky my NOC has not been successfully attacked in about 8 months.

BigAl07 · 09-19-2007, 12:07 PM

*Yikes* Don't say that outload Jack! That's an invitation and a challenge *Grins*

Allen

09-19-2007, 02:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
Travis Smilie Bartender Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,890 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	We can't have nice things Somebody's bots spammed up ReefPedia real good. Until I can get it all cleaned up, you will have to create an account and log in to edit any pages on the Wiki. Now, off to hunt for new botsquashers.... __________________ Help build the Encyclopedia of ReefKeeping Find over 1400 Reef Aquarium Articles at The Reef Aquarium Index

09-19-2007, 05:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,502 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: We can't have nice things __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Victorious Battle with ICH* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistance conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

09-19-2007, 06:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
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09-19-2007, 09:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
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09-19-2007, 09:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
kathywithbirds Social Darwinism victim Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Hood, NJ Posts: 5,937 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: We can't have nice things What's a bot? __________________ (\_/) (\__/) ( . .) (^.^) (")(") (> <) Bunny and Bunnina have worked things out. Bunny was mistaken after all, Bunnina was not having an affair. "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." ~Lin Yutang

09-19-2007, 09:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,502 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: We can't have nice things I vote they are captured and thrown into a tank filled with blue legged hermits! __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Victorious Battle with ICH* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistance conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

09-19-2007, 09:52 AM	#9 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: We can't have nice things a bot is a software program designed to do a specific task.. some just scroll around trying to find security holes.. some do nothing more than try to register websites to drop messages and links for spam and some just multiply and spread spyware. The sad news is they get better and better at working around our defenses each and every day. It's a never ending battle and gets tougher each and every day. When you register at a sight and it has a picture of letters and numbers that are hard to make out/read that's one way to TRY and defeat a bot from registering. But unfortunately they are getting around that many times. Try this link What Is A Bot (or Zombie)? Internet bot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Allen __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

09-19-2007, 09:58 AM	#10 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,981 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: We can't have nice things I read something about a study on wikipedia about the number of edits lowering the percentage of reliability, a university prof has a program for spotting nonsense imputs, is this just malicious stupidity or is there an actual purpose to spamming, sorry about the new job Travis,happy hunting. Steve

09-19-2007, 10:06 AM	#11 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: We can't have nice things Unfortunately spamming is a HUGE industry. If you sit back and look at the shear number of people that can be spammed at any given moment and realize that can be done automatically and realize it only takes a very small percentage of users to "fall" for it to make it proffitable. Just think of it like this... if you write a spam bot to simply go and drop a link in a forum like ours for fake/generic "ED" medicine. Some guy is one here looking late at night about reefing and just happens to see the link and think "This might be for me!" He clicks and orders one order of this bogus medicine. It was done totally FREE to the company with no input from anyone but the customer. Spamming is HUGE business and so is spyware and adware. We have college kids over seas making HUGE amounts of money to sit at home and write these programs. They get paid by "hits". Suppose they get paid $.01 per hit. They write a spambot that sends 50,000 people to a site a day just hap-hazzardly. That kind just made $500 for that day. Now the company is only betting on a 4-9% order ratio. Let's say an average order is $30. If we use 4% (very low indeed) that company is making roughly $60,000. Now you see where this is BIG business. It's sad but true. Allen __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

09-19-2007, 10:14 AM	#12 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,981 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: We can't have nice things LOl Allen you Geek! That is not really good news! are there penalty's if their caught? can I do this from home?

09-19-2007, 11:50 AM	#14 (permalink)
AQTCJAK Tiger Shark Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 7,267 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: We can't have nice things Travis, I wish you all the luck there is I to am @ a constant battle with people that like to cause damage. I am rather lucky my NOC has not been successfully attacked in about 8 months. __________________ A Wiseman once said build a stage add a pole & they will dance - Jack 2007 www.aquaticaggression.com

09-19-2007, 12:07 PM	#15 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: We can't have nice things Yikes Don't say that outload Jack! That's an invitation and a challenge Grins Allen __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

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