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[johnmaloney]

do you mean stir it? and siphon? Or are you talking about Fiji mud? Your tank should keep it mature, and if you want to recharge inverts (is that what you mean), then yeah after awhile without outside inputs micro-diversity will always dwindle in a closed system, no way around it.

[Basile]

Originally Posted by johnmaloney

do you mean stir it? and siphon? Or are you talking about Fiji mud? Your tank should keep it mature, and if you want to recharge inverts (is that what you mean), then yeah after awhile without outside inputs micro-diversity will always dwindle in a closed system, no way around it.

How often though, every year ?

[johnmaloney]

which one stir? siphon? re-charge?

[johnmaloney]

This isn't Fiji mud if that is what you are thinking, it doesn't need to be changed. Not sure why anyone would change mud anyway, but until things get rough around here we won't ask you to buy a new substrate from us every 6 months.

[Basile]

Originally Posted by johnmaloney

which one stir? siphon? re-charge?

What i got is Carib mud. caribsea your aragonite source and more! Florida.

i bough it at Big-Al's. Do i have to change it some time. I wont syphon this product too cloudy to begin with. Its under my aragonite sand, about an inch of it and then 4 inch of sand.

[johnmaloney]

I think there is some confusion as to what this mud is made for based on these other products. This is mud to grow seagrasses, mangroves and caps fans brushes etc... .It isn't made to add trace elements to your water over a 6 month term. We advise water changes to replace minors, or in a heavily planted tank they can be made with minor nutrient mixes, (or mixed with that stuff in a media bag). I have seen your setup, you seem to have all that, but if you are changing your sand bed every 6 months you may struggle with seagrass. Leave it and let it develop. This product is made to resemble a mud flat, an area with both high nutrients b/c of decomposing plant matter, but also very high anaerobic bacteria levels. (But since it is grown/made in house we can make it tannin free, mud flat water has wood, leaves etc...). Rooted plants are able to draw a steady stream of nutrients that are also being used by the bacteria. Mature tanks have higher nutrient levels than young tanks, it is just that they have the capacity to handle it. Does it make sense worded like that?

[Basile]

Originally Posted by johnmaloney

I think there is some confusion as to what this mud is made for based on these other products. This is mud to grow seagrasses, mangroves and caps fans brushes etc... .It isn't made to add trace elements to your water over a 6 month term. We advise water changes to replace minors, or in a heavily planted tank they can be made with minor nutrient mixes, (or mixed with that stuff in a media bag). I have seen your setup, you seem to have all that, but if you are changing your sand bed every 6 months you may struggle with seagrass. Leave it and let it develop. This product is made to resemble a mud flat, an area with both high nutrients b/c of decomposing plant matter, but also very high anaerobic bacteria levels. (But since it is grown/made in house we can make it tannin free, mud flat water has wood, leaves etc...). Rooted plants are able to draw a steady stream of nutrients that are also being used by the bacteria. Mature tanks have higher nutrient levels than young tanks, it is just that they have the capacity to handle it. Does it make sense worded like that?

Yes, thanks. I put mud in my tank for just that purpouse. And i was planning on leaving it alone too. But i was concern about someone saying we HAD to change it . Thats why i asked the question. As far as i'm concern this baby aint going anywhere lol. By the way, i added the algae you ID for someone,Ascophyllum nodosum; in my macro list. What book do you use to ID , i'mvery much interested in that.

[johnmaloney]

[Edit - nevermind this sentence, didn't see Basille's post, I was talking about something else entirely]. You just can't have a substrate that has to be changed every 6 months develop a mature root/runner/rhyzoid system, even if it comes with the nutrient system. and have been using my own. You are developing your own and it works that way too, just stick with it none of this changing around nonsense. One of the guys from MARSH who would love your club suggested it awhile back because he couldn't find that kind of mud and wanted to build a seagrass tank.

[Basile]

Hey John sorry for the Paypal mix up ,lol. Its sent now.