Fish ID please?

Cougra · 03-29-2007, 01:07 PM

I've come another across a fish that I am having a hard time identifying. I believe it's a juvenile filefish of some sort however I not certain about that.

Here are some photos of the fish:

Note that it has some white scales that protrude from it's body that remind me of a tassled filefish (Chaetodermis pencilligerus) however they aren't quite as pronounced. You can sort of see them in this first photo if you look towards the bottom of the fish.

lcstorc · 03-29-2007, 02:04 PM

What a cute little fish. I wish I was better at IDs but I enjoy all of your neat fish pics. I learn something too.

Cougra · 03-29-2007, 02:15 PM

Thanks Lynn! I like trying to id fish that I haven't seen before however I spent about three or four hours straight looking for this one and can't seem to even figure out what genus it's from, although I have a few possibilities. The bigget problem for me is that I'm not familiar with all the different families and genus of fish so I find it hard to narrow some searches down.

Witfull · 03-29-2007, 02:35 PM

Pseudobalistes flavimarginatus

Warnberg · 03-29-2007, 02:57 PM

You know I was thinking it might be a trigger

DeepBlue · 03-29-2007, 03:22 PM

I tried to find one that looked close to what you posted, but nothing really matched up so far. But, here are a couple other sites to look at and see if you find something.

This is a good site for general species and has good images.
Surgeons, Triggerfish

Another interesting site for getting an ID is:
Identify a fish

Cougra · 03-30-2007, 03:05 PM

Thanks for the ID Dave!

Thanks for the links as well Kris.

vdituri · 03-31-2007, 10:10 PM

I really need to learn Latin.

Boomer · 03-31-2007, 10:58 PM

Sine Dave ID it for more pics just take the name he gave

Google > Pseudobalistes flavimarginatus> Images

Pseudobalistes - Google Image Search

vdituri

Pseudo = false > balistes = to throw, or like a catapult action > flavi = tending to yellow > margin = margins/borders > atus = provided within

Cougra · 03-31-2007, 11:16 PM

If you want to know more about the name of this fish here it is broken up a bit:
Pseudobalistes flavimarginatus
Pseudo = false
Balistes = I'm not sure the direct translation of this one but it refers to the family all triggerfish are found in.
Flavus/flavidus = Yellow/Yellowish
marginatus = lined or margin

So this would refer to a "False Triggerfish Yellow-margined"

I've been interested in learning more about the latin/greek words that are commonly used for naming fish and have begun compiling a list of them located here if you want some more information or have any more words to add to the list!

Scientific Names

Cougra · 03-31-2007, 11:19 PM

LOL Boomer! You posted while I was looking up the translation! I'm sure yours are a lot more precise then the ones that I have though.

Boomer · 03-31-2007, 11:38 PM

Michelle mine come form a book I got a few months ago

A Source-Book of Biological Names and Terms, by E.C. Jaeger.

Balistes = I'm not sure the direct translation of this one but it refers to the family all triggerfish are found in.

Yes, I raced into that one and have should been more precise. It means to throw, as in a catapult. Their example is the trigger fish family

They were probably giving the name to its catapult like behavior. I made the mistake at loking at another name above it also and then blneding the two. bali means spotted, and that "spot" should not be there so I removed it.

Cougra · 03-31-2007, 11:44 PM

Thanks for the clarification. I'm guessing that it would refer to the action given with the modified dorsal spine when it suddenly engages!

03-29-2007, 01:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
Cougra Dragon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 2,216 View Gallery Karma Komment	Fish ID please? I've come another across a fish that I am having a hard time identifying. I believe it's a juvenile filefish of some sort however I not certain about that. Here are some photos of the fish: Note that it has some white scales that protrude from it's body that remind me of a tassled filefish (Chaetodermis pencilligerus) however they aren't quite as pronounced. You can sort of see them in this first photo if you look towards the bottom of the fish. __________________ Michelle Just because something CAN be done, it doesn't mean that it SHOULD be done!

03-29-2007, 02:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 21,928 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Fish ID please? What a cute little fish. I wish I was better at IDs but I enjoy all of your neat fish pics. I learn something too. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back.

03-29-2007, 02:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cougra Dragon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 2,216 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Fish ID please? Thanks Lynn! I like trying to id fish that I haven't seen before however I spent about three or four hours straight looking for this one and can't seem to even figure out what genus it's from, although I have a few possibilities. The bigget problem for me is that I'm not familiar with all the different families and genus of fish so I find it hard to narrow some searches down. __________________ Michelle Just because something CAN be done, it doesn't mean that it SHOULD be done!

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03-30-2007, 03:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
Cougra Dragon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 2,216 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Fish ID please? Thanks for the ID Dave! Thanks for the links as well Kris. __________________ Michelle Just because something CAN be done, it doesn't mean that it SHOULD be done!

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Boomer Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,275 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Fish ID please? Sine Dave ID it for more pics just take the name he gave Google > Pseudobalistes flavimarginatus> Images Pseudobalistes - Google Image Search vdituri Pseudo = false > balistes = to throw, or like a catapult action > flavi = tending to yellow > margin = margins/borders > atus = provided within __________________ Boomer Want to Talk Chemistry ! The Reef Chemistry Forum Want to See More ! The Coral Realm If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

03-31-2007, 11:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
Cougra Dragon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 2,216 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Fish ID please? If you want to know more about the name of this fish here it is broken up a bit: Pseudobalistes flavimarginatus Pseudo = false Balistes = I'm not sure the direct translation of this one but it refers to the family all triggerfish are found in. Flavus/flavidus = Yellow/Yellowish marginatus = lined or margin So this would refer to a "False Triggerfish Yellow-margined" I've been interested in learning more about the latin/greek words that are commonly used for naming fish and have begun compiling a list of them located here if you want some more information or have any more words to add to the list! Scientific Names __________________ Michelle Just because something CAN be done, it doesn't mean that it SHOULD be done!

03-31-2007, 11:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
Cougra Dragon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 2,216 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Fish ID please? LOL Boomer! You posted while I was looking up the translation! I'm sure yours are a lot more precise then the ones that I have though. __________________ Michelle Just because something CAN be done, it doesn't mean that it SHOULD be done!

03-31-2007, 11:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
Boomer Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,275 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Fish ID please? Michelle mine come form a book I got a few months ago A Source-Book of Biological Names and Terms, by E.C. Jaeger. Balistes = I'm not sure the direct translation of this one but it refers to the family all triggerfish are found in. Yes, I raced into that one and have should been more precise. It means to throw, as in a catapult. Their example is the trigger fish family They were probably giving the name to its catapult like behavior. I made the mistake at loking at another name above it also and then blneding the two. bali means spotted, and that "spot" should not be there so I removed it. __________________ Boomer Want to Talk Chemistry ! The Reef Chemistry Forum Want to See More ! The Coral Realm If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

03-31-2007, 11:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
Cougra Dragon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 2,216 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Fish ID please? Thanks for the clarification. I'm guessing that it would refer to the action given with the modified dorsal spine when it suddenly engages! __________________ Michelle Just because something CAN be done, it doesn't mean that it SHOULD be done!

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