JKreef's 75 Gallon Project - Page 7

cheeks69 · 06-17-2005, 04:54 PM

I would wait until your tank is at least 6 months old or more before adding SPS there is still going to be alot of fluctuations in a new tank and some of that will not register in your test kit. You could try a couple of frags of the hardier SPS and see how they do. Here's a good read from Eric Bourneman:

Concepts about Nitrification, Stocking Orders, and the New Tank

Newt · 06-17-2005, 07:50 PM

Flow-wise I only have one SEIO 1500 in the tank right now which like the name states puts out 1500 gph and create my 20x turnover rate . The only problem that I am having with just this one pump is that it creates too strong of a current for my fish and they just get stuck in a corner of the tank no matter where I aim the powerhead. I was trying to figure out if another powerhead aimed against the SEIO would create a more fish friendly circulation.

For lighting, I will be running a MH fixture with 2- 150w DE HQI bulbs and two 96 watt PC actinics, and six LED bluemoon lights. I know that stronger bulbs would be more desirable, but with my tank at only 20 in. high I figure that this fixture will be more than sufficient for PAR as long as I select my SPS carefully.

Great link Cheeks, thanks everyone. Just what I was looking to hear.

Cheeks, would a Neon Green Stylophora be a good candidate, we have a decent sized frag at work for $30.

Newt · 06-18-2005, 12:36 AM

Would any of the Montipora sp. make a good candidate?

jhnrb · 06-18-2005, 11:18 PM

Montipora (cabbage coral, lettuce coral, finger coral, digitata, velvet finger coral, velvet rock). Red Sea and Indo-pacific lagoons, reef flats and protected upper reef slopes. usually in very shallow water with strong illunimation. aquarium specimens are from Fiji, Solomon is., and Indonesia. Very lightweight fragile skeleton, small polyps in depressions over colony surface. low medium to high medium lighting, water flow medium, . placement on rock structure or solid surface, not on sand . depending on lighting placement can be low/ mid point / or high. start low to mid and adjust from there. as long as detritus does not settle on the animal then you will have a fair chance of success. This coral is not very aggressive. ( food - sun, phytoplankton, zooplankton, marine snow, fish feces) Hope something here helps. recommend a well established system for this coral.

cheeks69 · 06-18-2005, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JKreef

Would any of the Montipora sp. make a good candidate?

Yes it would but I would wait on the stylo their a little more demanding and would need to be placed higher in the tank closer to the light to keep their color.

Newt · 06-20-2005, 12:56 AM

Thanks again cheeks and jh,

I think next week when I order my school of anthias I will also order a monti frag and see how it goes, and if that's successful I may try to introduce some other "hardy" SPS frags aswell

Had a great birthday today, got my MH unit from my parents, and installed it on the tank. It's amazing in the difference in color, and the intensity. And I also like the look it gives my zoas under the actinics (drab green to bright orange!)

I'll try and get some pics up later this week as I"ll be pretty busy working for most of it.

Another comment/question: I was reading in one of my books, and a few sources online that birdnest corals SPS-wise are fairly hardy. Do you think that would also be a good candidate for a new SPS tank?

BTW thanks for everyone's help and input so far! I'm glad I have became an active member of this wonderful site.

KimPossible · 06-20-2005, 10:18 AM

Nice JKreef, Fathers day and Birthday...Was a good day all around I'm sure

Looking forward to your MH pics!

Newt · 06-28-2005, 03:30 AM

I've decided from now on to keep my tank log in my chronicle, to make it easier for myself to keep track of my levels, and that way if anything goes wrong I can look back to see what happened.

6-28-05
pH: 8.2
salinity: 1.024
NO2:0.0
NO3: 0.0
Ammonia: 0.0
KH: 120 mg/L
Ca: 460 mg/L
Temp: 79F

All levels are perfect, I've noticed that the last couple of days now after switching over from IO to Oceanic salt that my levels are a lot more stable, and right where I want them to be.

Payday Wednesday, and I'm finally getting my overflow (Marineland SOS Tidepool 600gph, employee discount

) and return (Mag7) so I can complete, and install my sump/fuge and get my ASM up and running. Also I think I've decided on two choices for anthias. Either... 4x Dispar Anthias or 2x Squareback (male and female) and 2x Lyretail (male and female) anthias.

Has anyone ever mixed anthias before, would it cause any potential problems?

Along with that fish order I may order a montipora frag or two

, buy some caulerpa, and I need to replace some turbo grazers that my dang rouge hermits got a hold of.

Woodstock · 06-28-2005, 06:46 AM

Logging tank info is a great idea! I do

I don't know much about anthias..only that they are beautiful

KimPossible · 06-28-2005, 09:24 AM

I only have one type...but am interested in the responses you get.

Quote:

Payday Wednesday, and I'm finally getting my overflow (Marineland SOS Tidepool 600gph, employee discount ) and return (Mag7) so I can complete, and install my sump/fuge and get my ASM up and running.

WooHoo!

I've been dragging my feet on my fuge project.... its almost done...so the question is why! Ok....I'm gonna get motivated NEXT weekend

cheeks69 · 06-28-2005, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JKreef

Also I think I've decided on two choices for anthias. Either... 4x Dispar Anthias or 2x Squareback (male and female) and 2x Lyretail (male and female) anthias.

Has anyone ever mixed anthias before, would it cause any potential problems?

I wouldn't recommend it unless a very large tank they would probably pick on one another until there is one

Robert Fenner:

Quote:

am in agreement with Michael (1991) in not suggesting the necessity of group purchase and husbandry. The various Anthiines live in large aggregations with a definite pecking order that is not replicable or desirable in captive care. If you want to buy a colorful male, only buy one. Similarly, unless you have a very large tank, more than one (or two) females is unnecessary and may well lead to endless fighting and loss. If you lose your only or alpha (dominant) male, the next most dominant specimen will in time change sex to take it's place.

House only one species to a system. If at all possible, acquire all individuals at the same time from the same batch. I have seen all species offered in the trade maintained solitarily for extended periods of time. Solitude is not deadly to them.

Newt · 06-29-2005, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KimPossible

I've been dragging my feet on my fuge project.... its almost done...so the question is why! Ok....I'm gonna get motivated NEXT weekend

lol! That's how I've been with mine also, always have other things to do... wel not really, just never have days off.

So I figure since I finally have one i'll work on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheeks69

am in agreement with Michael (1991) in not suggesting the necessity of group purchase and husbandry. The various Anthiines live in large aggregations with a definite pecking order that is not replicable or desirable in captive care. If you want to buy a colorful male, only buy one. Similarly, unless you have a very large tank, more than one (or two) females is unnecessary and may well lead to endless fighting and loss. If you lose your only or alpha (dominant) male, the next most dominant specimen will in time change sex to take it's place.

House only one species to a system. If at all possible, acquire all individuals at the same time from the same batch. I have seen all species offered in the trade maintained solitarily for extended periods of time. Solitude is not deadly to them.

Cheeks, thanks for the info, you seem to always have what I need to know.

So is that little snippit even saying that I shouldn't even keep a group of four? So just a pair might be my best bet... You think that I may be able to try two pairs of different species, to see how it works out? I have seen it sucessfully done before in a 90 gallon (3 year old pairs), and again in a similar sized tank.

Now I've got some deciding to do... I would love a small school, but I would also like to try two different species.... both of which aren't recommended by Fenner.

Newt · 06-29-2005, 02:27 AM

Tonight I added a little guy that we got in at the LFS where I work, a Rainfords Goby. These guys have always been one of my favorite fish, great personalities and color. I saw him in the shipment, and looked at the price ($16 plus 20% discount) and decided to bring him home.

He's fully acclimated, and just now I saw him come out from hiding.

So far he's getting along swimmingly with my clowns.

I have to admit that he wasn't on my stocking list for my tank, but I couldn't resist. He'll take up very little room, and have a minor impact on my bioload.

Craig Manoukian · 06-29-2005, 10:59 AM

Rainsford Gobies rock, congratulations!

Newt · 07-07-2005, 12:52 AM

Rainfords Goby is doing very well after being in his new home for a week, though he is still a bit camera shy, lol, so I haven't gotten any pics of him.

Today I added approx. 20lbs more of Fiji LR that I purchased from someone in my area who was tearing down their tank. I don't think that it should cycle at all since he just took it out of the tank today, and put it into a 5 gallon pail full of his tank water. It did sit for about 6 hours in my car while I was at work, but it wasn't really too hot outside, so I think it should be okay. I did test the water in the bucket before I added it to my tank, and the parameters were all stable. So....I decided with the new rock that I would re-do my aquascaping.

After spending the last half an hour doing that I decided that I would go with my original idea and do to "islands" with a small channel in the middle. I'm happy with it for the time being, but we all know how that is.

Tinker tinker.

Next week we can look forward to the group of anthias, finally! And hopefully I can have the sump plumbed.

06-17-2005, 04:54 PM	#91 (permalink)
cheeks69 Wannabe Guru Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northeast Posts: 6,618 View Gallery Karma Komment	I would wait until your tank is at least 6 months old or more before adding SPS there is still going to be alot of fluctuations in a new tank and some of that will not register in your test kit. You could try a couple of frags of the hardier SPS and see how they do. Here's a good read from Eric Bourneman: Concepts about Nitrification, Stocking Orders, and the New Tank __________________ Robert My Cube “A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” Albert Einstein

06-17-2005, 07:50 PM	#92 (permalink)
Newt Torch coral Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 595 View Gallery Karma Komment	Flow-wise I only have one SEIO 1500 in the tank right now which like the name states puts out 1500 gph and create my 20x turnover rate . The only problem that I am having with just this one pump is that it creates too strong of a current for my fish and they just get stuck in a corner of the tank no matter where I aim the powerhead. I was trying to figure out if another powerhead aimed against the SEIO would create a more fish friendly circulation. For lighting, I will be running a MH fixture with 2- 150w DE HQI bulbs and two 96 watt PC actinics, and six LED bluemoon lights. I know that stronger bulbs would be more desirable, but with my tank at only 20 in. high I figure that this fixture will be more than sufficient for PAR as long as I select my SPS carefully. Great link Cheeks, thanks everyone. Just what I was looking to hear. Cheeks, would a Neon Green Stylophora be a good candidate, we have a decent sized frag at work for $30. __________________ -Jason- Formerly "JKreef"

06-18-2005, 12:36 AM	#93 (permalink)
Newt Torch coral Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 595 View Gallery Karma Komment	Would any of the Montipora sp. make a good candidate? __________________ -Jason- Formerly "JKreef"

06-20-2005, 12:56 AM	#96 (permalink)
Newt Torch coral Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 595 View Gallery Karma Komment	Thanks again cheeks and jh, I think next week when I order my school of anthias I will also order a monti frag and see how it goes, and if that's successful I may try to introduce some other "hardy" SPS frags aswell Had a great birthday today, got my MH unit from my parents, and installed it on the tank. It's amazing in the difference in color, and the intensity. And I also like the look it gives my zoas under the actinics (drab green to bright orange!) I'll try and get some pics up later this week as I"ll be pretty busy working for most of it. Another comment/question: I was reading in one of my books, and a few sources online that birdnest corals SPS-wise are fairly hardy. Do you think that would also be a good candidate for a new SPS tank? BTW thanks for everyone's help and input so far! I'm glad I have became an active member of this wonderful site. __________________ -Jason- Formerly "JKreef"

06-20-2005, 10:18 AM	#97 (permalink)
KimPossible Golden Moray Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Posts: 2,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Nice JKreef, Fathers day and Birthday...Was a good day all around I'm sure Looking forward to your MH pics! __________________ Kim ~My environment is a product of myself~

06-18-2005, 11:18 PM	#94 (permalink)
jhnrb Scopas Tang Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Eureka, CALIF. Posts: 477 View Gallery Karma Komment	Montipora (cabbage coral, lettuce coral, finger coral, digitata, velvet finger coral, velvet rock). Red Sea and Indo-pacific lagoons, reef flats and protected upper reef slopes. usually in very shallow water with strong illunimation. aquarium specimens are from Fiji, Solomon is., and Indonesia. Very lightweight fragile skeleton, small polyps in depressions over colony surface. low medium to high medium lighting, water flow medium, . placement on rock structure or solid surface, not on sand . depending on lighting placement can be low/ mid point / or high. start low to mid and adjust from there. as long as detritus does not settle on the animal then you will have a fair chance of success. This coral is not very aggressive. ( food - sun, phytoplankton, zooplankton, marine snow, fish feces) Hope something here helps. recommend a well established system for this coral.

06-28-2005, 03:30 AM	#98 (permalink)
Newt Torch coral Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 595 View Gallery Karma Komment	I've decided from now on to keep my tank log in my chronicle, to make it easier for myself to keep track of my levels, and that way if anything goes wrong I can look back to see what happened. 6-28-05 pH: 8.2 salinity: 1.024 NO2:0.0 NO3: 0.0 Ammonia: 0.0 KH: 120 mg/L Ca: 460 mg/L Temp: 79F All levels are perfect, I've noticed that the last couple of days now after switching over from IO to Oceanic salt that my levels are a lot more stable, and right where I want them to be. Payday Wednesday, and I'm finally getting my overflow (Marineland SOS Tidepool 600gph, employee discount ) and return (Mag7) so I can complete, and install my sump/fuge and get my ASM up and running. Also I think I've decided on two choices for anthias. Either... 4x Dispar Anthias or 2x Squareback (male and female) and 2x Lyretail (male and female) anthias. Has anyone ever mixed anthias before, would it cause any potential problems? Along with that fish order I may order a montipora frag or two , buy some caulerpa, and I need to replace some turbo grazers that my dang rouge hermits got a hold of. __________________ -Jason- Formerly "JKreef"

06-28-2005, 06:46 AM	#99 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,857 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Logging tank info is a great idea! I do I don't know much about anthias..only that they are beautiful __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* ~120 Reef Chronicle ~ *~Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________ 120 mixed reef, dual Reeflux 10k 250 MHs, dual Geiseman Actinic T5s,Neptune AC III, ASM g3, 2x Korallia #3, Mag 9.5 return

06-29-2005, 02:27 AM	#103 (permalink)
Newt Torch coral Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 595 View Gallery Karma Komment	Tonight I added a little guy that we got in at the LFS where I work, a Rainfords Goby. These guys have always been one of my favorite fish, great personalities and color. I saw him in the shipment, and looked at the price ($16 plus 20% discount) and decided to bring him home. He's fully acclimated, and just now I saw him come out from hiding. So far he's getting along swimmingly with my clowns. I have to admit that he wasn't on my stocking list for my tank, but I couldn't resist. He'll take up very little room, and have a minor impact on my bioload. __________________ -Jason- Formerly "JKreef"

06-29-2005, 10:59 AM	#104 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 17,903 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Rainsford Gobies rock, congratulations! __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

07-07-2005, 12:52 AM	#105 (permalink)
Newt Torch coral Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 595 View Gallery Karma Komment	Update Rainfords Goby is doing very well after being in his new home for a week, though he is still a bit camera shy, lol, so I haven't gotten any pics of him. Today I added approx. 20lbs more of Fiji LR that I purchased from someone in my area who was tearing down their tank. I don't think that it should cycle at all since he just took it out of the tank today, and put it into a 5 gallon pail full of his tank water. It did sit for about 6 hours in my car while I was at work, but it wasn't really too hot outside, so I think it should be okay. I did test the water in the bucket before I added it to my tank, and the parameters were all stable. So....I decided with the new rock that I would re-do my aquascaping. After spending the last half an hour doing that I decided that I would go with my original idea and do to "islands" with a small channel in the middle. I'm happy with it for the time being, but we all know how that is. Tinker tinker. Next week we can look forward to the group of anthias, finally! And hopefully I can have the sump plumbed. __________________ -Jason- Formerly "JKreef"

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