Akwar'eum Too - Page 4

JoJo · 05-28-2008, 12:03 AM

Terry i guess you're right, but knowing Kim, she'll say "well you hired him so its still your fault!" thats why i rather do the work myself, less headache

tbittner · 05-28-2008, 12:11 AM

framerguy · 05-28-2008, 12:15 AM

Well, I've got my contractor best friend coming over tomorrow night to look things over and give advice. We'll see what he says.

I contacted Tenacor about my tank today and I think they had lost the order or something because they couldn't find anything about it while I was on the phone with them. Then they call me back with a new ship date of June 18th

, that's three more weeks I have to wait now. Blast it all! I've got Jack looking into it for me though so maybe he'll deliver better news.

We went to Red Lobster after picking up the gasket material and some new comforters for the guest room (at half price I might add!). It's amazing how delicious some of our tank critters are!

I couldn't find Weldon locally and my framing supply vendor was out of it so I got their other plastics glue. They said it works great. I think it's just super superglue. Does anyone think that will work as well or should I wait and get the Weldon? I can have some by next Monday, but don't want to wait that long.

I got my gasket material today and a punch to cut the holes for the screws. I should have plenty of material for the other things I want to build. Here is the flange with gasket made and installed...

This is a photo of the collection cup (upside down of course) being glued together. If I decide this glue won't work for the main body, it should at least work for the cup...

I made the riser support, it's not installed yet but I held it in place for the photo, here it is (sorry the pic is blurry)...

Okey Dokey, that's it for tonight.

vdituri · 05-28-2008, 12:19 AM

I thought the deal with acrylic glues was that they kind of "melt" the two pieces together? If that is the case I wouldn't trust superglue.
Hopefully someone with some real experience with this will chime in.

JoJo · 05-28-2008, 12:19 AM

great job on the acrylic work Greg...karma to you!

tbittner · 05-28-2008, 12:20 AM

What is the "other plastic glue"?

I know that weldon basically melts the pieces and it reforms into a single piece. I've broken a piece of acrylic in the middle and the seam never let go. With a ship date for the tank being 3 weeks from now, I vote for waiting for the weldon and using it.

framerguy · 05-28-2008, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbittner

What is the "other plastic glue"?

I know that weldon basically melts the pieces and it reforms into a single piece. I've broken a piece of acrylic in the middle and the seam never let go. With a ship date for the tank being 3 weeks from now, I vote for waiting for the weldon and using it.

MAN! I knew you were going to say that! Fiddlesticks, I guess I'm waiting. Patience in NOT one of my virtues...but I'll try.

tbittner · 05-28-2008, 12:24 AM

Yeah, patience is a tough one for me too.

JoJo · 05-28-2008, 12:34 AM

i thought patience became easier as you get old but i'm 24yrs now & its still nearly impossible for me to be patient

sasquatch · 05-28-2008, 12:45 AM

There are several types of glue used with acrylic. The main type and most common are solvent adhesive. They are available thickened and water thin. The water thin is used in common fabrication. It uses capillary action to flow between the pieces of acrylic. The chemical is actually a solvent and breaks down the plastic surface, allowing the pieces to flow together. The solvent evaporates and you have a beautiful seam. We use methylene chloride, (MDC), as our solvent adhesive. We mix it with a small amount of another chemical that allows us to adjust for temperature. It is applied using an applicator bottle that has a needle tip. Edge preparation prior to glue application is of utmost importance. Your final seam will never be better than your beginning edge. We use a joiner to prep the edge for general assembly but a hand scraped finish used on our art quality work yields the best results.

vdituri · 05-28-2008, 01:07 AM

What is the most important part of prepping the joint?
Smooth sanding and finishing?

sasquatch · 05-28-2008, 01:10 AM

methylene chloride will not fill voids so joins must be superb, weldon 16 is a thickened version for the not so fussy

vdituri · 05-28-2008, 01:18 AM

So sand the edges down smooth as possible or suffer the consequences.
Good info. Someday I will be a real DIY'er

tbittner · 05-28-2008, 08:16 AM

I used an orbital sander to get the edge as close to perfect as I could. Then I hand sanded it some more so I could pinpoint the location that needed touched up a little bit. I got it to the point that there was zero light coming from between the edge of acrylic and a straight edge (level).

JoJo · 05-28-2008, 08:31 AM

i love Weld-on 16, great for us beginner DIYers

05-28-2008, 12:11 AM	#47 (permalink)
tbittner Watch this Ma! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern VA Posts: 5,563 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Akwar'eum Too __________________ Terry 150g predator tank full of killers. Soon to be upgraded to a 360g. 450g reef 300g sump.

05-28-2008, 12:15 AM	#48 (permalink)
framerguy Tridacna maxima Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Clarkesville, Ga Posts: 4,994 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Akwar'eum Too Well, I've got my contractor best friend coming over tomorrow night to look things over and give advice. We'll see what he says. I contacted Tenacor about my tank today and I think they had lost the order or something because they couldn't find anything about it while I was on the phone with them. Then they call me back with a new ship date of June 18th , that's three more weeks I have to wait now. Blast it all! I've got Jack looking into it for me though so maybe he'll deliver better news. We went to Red Lobster after picking up the gasket material and some new comforters for the guest room (at half price I might add!). It's amazing how delicious some of our tank critters are! I couldn't find Weldon locally and my framing supply vendor was out of it so I got their other plastics glue. They said it works great. I think it's just super superglue. Does anyone think that will work as well or should I wait and get the Weldon? I can have some by next Monday, but don't want to wait that long. I got my gasket material today and a punch to cut the holes for the screws. I should have plenty of material for the other things I want to build. Here is the flange with gasket made and installed... This is a photo of the collection cup (upside down of course) being glued together. If I decide this glue won't work for the main body, it should at least work for the cup... I made the riser support, it's not installed yet but I held it in place for the photo, here it is (sorry the pic is blurry)... Okey Dokey, that's it for tonight. __________________ ___________________________________ Greg All time fav quote: "Now and then it's good to pause in our pursuit of happiness and just be happy."-Guillaume Apollinaire "Being happy can be as easy as deciding to be!"-Greg Kimsey (framerguy) 375gDT built in wall, 100g sump, Sequence Hammerhead closed loop, DIY light system w/4x 250MH & 4x54w T5, Aqua C EV-400 skimmer etc, etc, etc... http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...areum-too.html

05-28-2008, 12:19 AM	#49 (permalink)
vdituri Excellent Guesser :D Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sacramento California Posts: 6,244 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Akwar'eum Too I thought the deal with acrylic glues was that they kind of "melt" the two pieces together? If that is the case I wouldn't trust superglue. Hopefully someone with some real experience with this will chime in. __________________ Victor ----- People come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime. When you know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person. When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend and they are. They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then, without any wrongdoing on your part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it is time to move on.

05-28-2008, 12:20 AM	#51 (permalink)
tbittner Watch this Ma! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern VA Posts: 5,563 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Akwar'eum Too What is the "other plastic glue"? I know that weldon basically melts the pieces and it reforms into a single piece. I've broken a piece of acrylic in the middle and the seam never let go. With a ship date for the tank being 3 weeks from now, I vote for waiting for the weldon and using it. __________________ Terry 150g predator tank full of killers. Soon to be upgraded to a 360g. 450g reef 300g sump.

05-28-2008, 12:24 AM	#53 (permalink)
tbittner Watch this Ma! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern VA Posts: 5,563 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Akwar'eum Too Yeah, patience is a tough one for me too. __________________ Terry 150g predator tank full of killers. Soon to be upgraded to a 360g. 450g reef 300g sump.

05-28-2008, 12:45 AM	#55 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,981 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Akwar'eum Too There are several types of glue used with acrylic. The main type and most common are solvent adhesive. They are available thickened and water thin. The water thin is used in common fabrication. It uses capillary action to flow between the pieces of acrylic. The chemical is actually a solvent and breaks down the plastic surface, allowing the pieces to flow together. The solvent evaporates and you have a beautiful seam. We use methylene chloride, (MDC), as our solvent adhesive. We mix it with a small amount of another chemical that allows us to adjust for temperature. It is applied using an applicator bottle that has a needle tip. Edge preparation prior to glue application is of utmost importance. Your final seam will never be better than your beginning edge. We use a joiner to prep the edge for general assembly but a hand scraped finish used on our art quality work yields the best results.

05-28-2008, 01:07 AM	#56 (permalink)
vdituri Excellent Guesser :D Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sacramento California Posts: 6,244 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Akwar'eum Too What is the most important part of prepping the joint? Smooth sanding and finishing? __________________ Victor ----- People come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime. When you know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person. When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend and they are. They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then, without any wrongdoing on your part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it is time to move on.

05-28-2008, 01:10 AM	#57 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,981 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Akwar'eum Too methylene chloride will not fill voids so joins must be superb, weldon 16 is a thickened version for the not so fussy

05-28-2008, 01:18 AM	#58 (permalink)
vdituri Excellent Guesser :D Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sacramento California Posts: 6,244 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Akwar'eum Too So sand the edges down smooth as possible or suffer the consequences. Good info. Someday I will be a real DIY'er __________________ Victor ----- People come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime. When you know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person. When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend and they are. They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then, without any wrongdoing on your part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it is time to move on.

05-28-2008, 08:16 AM	#59 (permalink)
tbittner Watch this Ma! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern VA Posts: 5,563 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Akwar'eum Too I used an orbital sander to get the edge as close to perfect as I could. Then I hand sanded it some more so I could pinpoint the location that needed touched up a little bit. I got it to the point that there was zero light coming from between the edge of acrylic and a straight edge (level). __________________ Terry 150g predator tank full of killers. Soon to be upgraded to a 360g. 450g reef 300g sump.

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