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hma · 12-03-2007, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodstock

I know what you mean by trying to fit everything under a stand.. it is tough. I am going to have my ca reactor in my refugium area but placed on an acrylic stand out of the water.
I like your idea of a frag tank in the refugium

Just stopping by..... sorry Doni Marie but i disagree with the idea of a frag tank in the fuge. Frags need a lot of light to show the polyps and optimal colors. In addition they should grow also as quickly as possible and for a good grow a very strong current is required. You cannot realise strong current in a fuge. A fuge need light too, but not so much light as frags.

michael_cb_125 · 12-03-2007, 08:48 AM

Thanks for the input HMA. But if I have low flowgoing into the refugium and low flow out. And used powerheads just to add turbulence, wouldnt that be ok. I know that you want to have long contact time with the algea, but the flow through the tank would be low. Also the frags and eggcrate would cut down the light that reaches the Chaeto. I just thinking right now.~Michael

tbittner · 12-03-2007, 11:29 AM

Are you planning on MH lights over the fuge? And the fuge will be under the tank? That is a LOT of heat that will be heating up the underside of the tank.

I'm just not sure that that is the place you want a frag tank.

michael_cb_125 · 12-03-2007, 11:40 AM

I am planning on using either one of the smaller solaris fixtures. Or a T5 lighting. I was thinking about 6 or 8 bulbs with individual reflectors. What do you think?

AQTCJAK · 12-03-2007, 11:46 AM

I Vote Solaris energy, heat & Cost of Ownership conservation

hma · 12-03-2007, 12:18 PM

Hi Michael,

in general I find the idea of an frag tank under the head tank very well. However, I do not believe this idea itself rationally allows to realise, even if the required light and enough current is available. In a frag / fuge tank with strong current are tons of finest alga spores. These are rinsed by the current now between frags and will settle also partially in frags. I am sure, the frags dont like that certainly. If this idea can be to realised so simply, many Reefer would have moved certainly already this idea. However, I wish a lot of success with the plan.

michael_cb_125 · 12-03-2007, 12:49 PM

Thanks Heinz. I am not 100% sure that this will be the way I go, it is just an idea. Also, does Chaeto release spores? This will be the only algea that I will be using. I still have some research to do.

boozeman · 12-03-2007, 12:52 PM

ask yourself..why do you want a frag tank?

michael_cb_125 · 12-03-2007, 12:55 PM

I just asked myself.....I kinda Paused....then twitched a little.....now I am typing this. I guess the main reason I want one is so when my HUGE acro colonies ( I hope) need to be trimmed, I will have somewhere other than the sand bed to but the trimmings.LOL

boozeman · 12-03-2007, 01:08 PM

IMHO a dedicated frag tank is for people who enjoy going to reef club meetings/swaps to trade frags. Aside from that it is an unnecesary added expense. If you want to grow out a few pieces then you can atach a piece of eggcrate to a magfloat and keep it closer to the surface of your main display.

...dont mean to sound harsh but, I just dont want to see you wasting unecessary time/effort/money on something you wont be needing in the long run.

Woodstock · 12-03-2007, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michael_cb_125

I just asked myself.....I kinda Paused....then twitched a little.....now I am typing this. I guess the main reason I want one is so when my HUGE acro colonies ( I hope) need to be trimmed, I will have somewhere other than the sand bed to but the trimmings.LOL

Haha... well, I have an idea. Do not worry about building a frag tank; simply give all your frags & Trimmings to ME

michael_cb_125 · 12-03-2007, 01:10 PM

That is what I was thinking. That is why I was going to try to combine the Fuge and Frag tank. But I guess I will just stick to the viewable Refugium. Thanks for the input Booze.~Michael

hma · 12-03-2007, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boozeman

IMHO a dedicated frag tank is for people who enjoy going to reef club meetings/swaps to trade frags. Aside from that it is an unnecesary added expense. If you want to grow out a few pieces then you can atach a piece of eggcrate to a magfloat and keep it closer to the surface of your main display.

...dont mean to sound harsh but, I just dont want to see you wasting unecessary time/effort/money on something you wont be needing in the long run.

Boze you are my man

michael_cb_125 · 12-03-2007, 03:58 PM

Ok, I am going to ask a dumb question. We have all heard it before....dont yell at me, or say you should know that. .................................................. ................................................Ho w many fish can I have?......ok I said it.

I wont have very many fish that have huge bio-loads. The largest fish that I will have will be my Blue Hippo Tang. Other than that and MAYBE an Achillies Tang, everybody will be small. I like smaller Anthias, Fairy wrasses, etc. Most of the fish I liek have an adult size of aroun 3.5-4 inches MAX. Remember I am going to have an SPS tank, so I know the fewer fish the better. What are Yall' thinkin. If you do the 1 inch of fish per 5 gallon rule that puts me at 48 inches. But should I really go by that?
Thanks~Michael

BigAl07 · 12-03-2007, 04:13 PM

I would say TWO at the most

12-03-2007, 08:48 AM	#452 (permalink)
michael_cb_125 Manta Ray Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Charlotte,NC Posts: 3,227 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: 240 Thanks for the input HMA. But if I have low flowgoing into the refugium and low flow out. And used powerheads just to add turbulence, wouldnt that be ok. I know that you want to have long contact time with the algea, but the flow through the tank would be low. Also the frags and eggcrate would cut down the light that reaches the Chaeto. I just thinking right now.~Michael __________________ 240 Gallon MIXED REEF SUPER TANK Well at least thats what I want it to be 240 Gallon Custom Made Starphire Tank Life Reef Custom Sump,Life Reef Skimmer, Little Giant Return, 2 1200gph Koralias, 2 1580 GPH Tunze Turbelles, 1 Vortec, 72" Solaris I series, PM Kalk Reactor, Custom Made Fug, way to many more things to list Jose say hello to your NEW LITTLE FRIEND!!!!!!!!

12-03-2007, 11:29 AM	#453 (permalink)
tbittner Watch this Ma! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern VA Posts: 5,562 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: 240 Are you planning on MH lights over the fuge? And the fuge will be under the tank? That is a LOT of heat that will be heating up the underside of the tank. I'm just not sure that that is the place you want a frag tank. __________________ Terry 150g predator tank full of killers. Soon to be upgraded to a 360g. 450g reef 300g sump.

12-03-2007, 11:40 AM	#454 (permalink)
michael_cb_125 Manta Ray Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Charlotte,NC Posts: 3,227 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: 240 I am planning on using either one of the smaller solaris fixtures. Or a T5 lighting. I was thinking about 6 or 8 bulbs with individual reflectors. What do you think? __________________ 240 Gallon MIXED REEF SUPER TANK Well at least thats what I want it to be 240 Gallon Custom Made Starphire Tank Life Reef Custom Sump,Life Reef Skimmer, Little Giant Return, 2 1200gph Koralias, 2 1580 GPH Tunze Turbelles, 1 Vortec, 72" Solaris I series, PM Kalk Reactor, Custom Made Fug, way to many more things to list Jose say hello to your NEW LITTLE FRIEND!!!!!!!!

12-03-2007, 11:46 AM	#455 (permalink)
AQTCJAK Tiger Shark Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,937 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: 240 I Vote Solaris energy, heat & Cost of Ownership conservation __________________ A Wiseman once said build a stage add a pole & they will dance - Jack 2007 www.aquaticaggression.com Projects & Chronicels http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...car-buffs.html http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...nts-tanks.html

12-03-2007, 12:18 PM	#456 (permalink)
hma Acropora Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Frankfurt, Germany Posts: 1,950 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: 240 Hi Michael, in general I find the idea of an frag tank under the head tank very well. However, I do not believe this idea itself rationally allows to realise, even if the required light and enough current is available. In a frag / fuge tank with strong current are tons of finest alga spores. These are rinsed by the current now between frags and will settle also partially in frags. I am sure, the frags dont like that certainly. If this idea can be to realised so simply, many Reefer would have moved certainly already this idea. However, I wish a lot of success with the plan. __________________ Heinz Luck is a good health and a bad memory (Albert Schweitzer) Balling Method : Balling +Plus Video : Centropyge potteri Tools : Balling Calculator My Chronicle and ReefDreams HM-Aquarium Photo Calendar 2008 "IF SHARKS DIE, THE SEA DIES"

12-03-2007, 12:49 PM	#457 (permalink)
michael_cb_125 Manta Ray Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Charlotte,NC Posts: 3,227 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: 240 Thanks Heinz. I am not 100% sure that this will be the way I go, it is just an idea. Also, does Chaeto release spores? This will be the only algea that I will be using. I still have some research to do. __________________ 240 Gallon MIXED REEF SUPER TANK Well at least thats what I want it to be 240 Gallon Custom Made Starphire Tank Life Reef Custom Sump,Life Reef Skimmer, Little Giant Return, 2 1200gph Koralias, 2 1580 GPH Tunze Turbelles, 1 Vortec, 72" Solaris I series, PM Kalk Reactor, Custom Made Fug, way to many more things to list Jose say hello to your NEW LITTLE FRIEND!!!!!!!!

12-03-2007, 12:52 PM	#458 (permalink)
boozeman The CodFather ~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: new york Posts: 8,800 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: 240 ask yourself..why do you want a frag tank? __________________ ...and when I'm old and wise little things mean little to me like autumn winds they'll blow right through me and someday, in the mist of time when they ask you if you knew me remember that you were a friend of mine

12-03-2007, 12:55 PM	#459 (permalink)
michael_cb_125 Manta Ray Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Charlotte,NC Posts: 3,227 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: 240 I just asked myself.....I kinda Paused....then twitched a little.....now I am typing this. I guess the main reason I want one is so when my HUGE acro colonies ( I hope) need to be trimmed, I will have somewhere other than the sand bed to but the trimmings.LOL __________________ 240 Gallon MIXED REEF SUPER TANK Well at least thats what I want it to be 240 Gallon Custom Made Starphire Tank Life Reef Custom Sump,Life Reef Skimmer, Little Giant Return, 2 1200gph Koralias, 2 1580 GPH Tunze Turbelles, 1 Vortec, 72" Solaris I series, PM Kalk Reactor, Custom Made Fug, way to many more things to list Jose say hello to your NEW LITTLE FRIEND!!!!!!!!

12-03-2007, 01:08 PM	#460 (permalink)
boozeman The CodFather ~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: new york Posts: 8,800 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: 240 IMHO a dedicated frag tank is for people who enjoy going to reef club meetings/swaps to trade frags. Aside from that it is an unnecesary added expense. If you want to grow out a few pieces then you can atach a piece of eggcrate to a magfloat and keep it closer to the surface of your main display. ...dont mean to sound harsh but, I just dont want to see you wasting unecessary time/effort/money on something you wont be needing in the long run. __________________ ...and when I'm old and wise little things mean little to me like autumn winds they'll blow right through me and someday, in the mist of time when they ask you if you knew me remember that you were a friend of mine

12-03-2007, 01:10 PM	#462 (permalink)
michael_cb_125 Manta Ray Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Charlotte,NC Posts: 3,227 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: 240 That is what I was thinking. That is why I was going to try to combine the Fuge and Frag tank. But I guess I will just stick to the viewable Refugium. Thanks for the input Booze.~Michael __________________ 240 Gallon MIXED REEF SUPER TANK Well at least thats what I want it to be 240 Gallon Custom Made Starphire Tank Life Reef Custom Sump,Life Reef Skimmer, Little Giant Return, 2 1200gph Koralias, 2 1580 GPH Tunze Turbelles, 1 Vortec, 72" Solaris I series, PM Kalk Reactor, Custom Made Fug, way to many more things to list Jose say hello to your NEW LITTLE FRIEND!!!!!!!!

12-03-2007, 03:58 PM	#464 (permalink)
michael_cb_125 Manta Ray Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Charlotte,NC Posts: 3,227 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: 240 Ok, I am going to ask a dumb question. We have all heard it before....dont yell at me, or say you should know that. .................................................. ................................................Ho w many fish can I have?......ok I said it. I wont have very many fish that have huge bio-loads. The largest fish that I will have will be my Blue Hippo Tang. Other than that and MAYBE an Achillies Tang, everybody will be small. I like smaller Anthias, Fairy wrasses, etc. Most of the fish I liek have an adult size of aroun 3.5-4 inches MAX. Remember I am going to have an SPS tank, so I know the fewer fish the better. What are Yall' thinkin. If you do the 1 inch of fish per 5 gallon rule that puts me at 48 inches. But should I really go by that? Thanks~Michael __________________ 240 Gallon MIXED REEF SUPER TANK Well at least thats what I want it to be 240 Gallon Custom Made Starphire Tank Life Reef Custom Sump,Life Reef Skimmer, Little Giant Return, 2 1200gph Koralias, 2 1580 GPH Tunze Turbelles, 1 Vortec, 72" Solaris I series, PM Kalk Reactor, Custom Made Fug, way to many more things to list Jose say hello to your NEW LITTLE FRIEND!!!!!!!!

12-03-2007, 04:13 PM	#465 (permalink)
BigAl07 Reef Addict (hopeless) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 10,619 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: 240 I would say TWO at the most __________________ Allen Allen's testimonial . . ."Let Me help you help YOURSELF" (Click Here) with a SW set up there is one basic fundamental rule that we ALL should follow *When in doubt... wait it out. This means take it slow and let the tank "develop" and don't rush it. Time is your friend Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef Reef Balls & Cakes Debt Free & Change your Family Tree!!

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