chemical warfare

Witfull · 09-09-2006, 08:10 PM

Boomer,

will BrCl2 remove aptasia from my tank, and if so, is it the proper spectrum for my reef?

boozeman · 09-11-2006, 09:25 AM

BoomerD · 09-11-2006, 12:26 PM

Not sure why y'all'd want to use a fillet knife to remove aiptaisa witty...

http://www.gotyatackle.com/store/product.asp?ID=860

Oh, were you referring to bromium chloride?

Department of Chemistry, Purdue University, West Lafayette, Indiana 47907-1393, USA.

Aqueous-phase halogen reactions play an important role in tropospheric ozone depletion that is observed during Arctic sunrise where bromine chloride is a key intermediate. The temperature dependencies of BrCl(aq) equilibration with BrCl2-, HOBr(aq), Br2(aq), Cl2(aq), HOCl(aq), Br-, and other species (Br3-, Br2Cl-, Cl3-, OBr-, and OCI-) are determined as a function of Cl- concentration from pH 0 to pH 7. Values for K1 (=[BrCl2-]/([BrCl(aq)][Cl-])) at mu = 1.0 M are 3.8 M(-1) at 25.0 degrees C, 4.7 M(-1) at 10.0 degrees C, and 5.5 M(-1) at 0.0 degrees C, with deltaH1 degrees = -9.9 kJ mol(-1) and deltaS1 degrees = -22 J K(-1) mol(-1). BrCl(aq) hydrolysis equilibria have little or no temperature dependence with Kh1 (=[HOBr(aq)][Cl-][H+]/[BrCl(aq)]) = 1.3 x 10(-4) M2 from 25.0 to 5.0 degrees C, mu = 1.0 M. When conditions are adjusted to give a rapid partial hydrolysis of BrCl in equilibrium with HOBr and Cl- at p[H+] 4.31, a relatively slow reaction (kobsd = 2.4 s(-1)) to form HOCl and Br- is observed. This takes place via BrCl reaction with Cl- to form Cl2, which hydrolyzes in the rate-determining step to give HOCl. On the other hand, the rate of complete BrCl hydrolysis to form HOBr and Cl- at p[H+] 6.4 is extremely rapid with a first-order rate constant of 3.0 x 10(6) s(-1) at 25.0 degrees C. The reverse reaction between HOBr, Cl-, and H+ has a rate constant of 2.3 x 10(10) M(-2) s(-1), so that in seawater, where [Cl-]/[Br-] = 700, the formation of BrCl is much faster than the formation of Br2 from HOBr, Br-, and H+. Rapid formation of BrCl(aq) and its subsequent reaction with Br- is a viable pathway to give Br2(aq). Photolysis of Br2(g) is believed to initiate the reactions associated with ozone depletion.

I'm sure (that other) Boomer might understand that gobbledy-gook, but it's all Chinese to me............

Woodstock · 09-11-2006, 02:06 PM

Boomer · 09-11-2006, 02:41 PM

WARING DANGER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Witt. STOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! Barium chloride can kill you !!! All it takes is .8- .9 gram to be fatal. You try injecting aiptasia with that stuff and you will wipe all all that is alive in your tank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 gram in water will kill all aquatic life in 48 hrs or less. It is a listed EPA, OSHA and DOT Posion and is found in any std Desk Ref. on Hazardous and Dangerous Chemicals. Max exposure rate is 0.50 ppm / M^3

Barium Chloride is excessively TOXIC and VERY DANGEOUS.

Barium in seawater is only 0.02 ppm.

Woodstock · 09-11-2006, 02:47 PM

Witty, put the barium chloride down and slowly step away....

Witfull · 09-11-2006, 02:49 PM

ok,,,ok,,ill just go back to using pure sodium~

boozeman · 09-11-2006, 02:51 PM

sodium...Omg, that stuff will kill ya!!!

BoomerD · 09-11-2006, 03:05 PM

Instead of those nasty chemicals, why not just bring home some prison food, and use it on the aiptasias? THAT stuff will kill anything!

Woodstock · 09-11-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BoomerD

Instead of those nasty chemicals, why not just bring home some prison food, and use it on the aiptasias? THAT stuff will kill anything!

...is that experience speaking?

boozeman · 09-11-2006, 03:08 PM

hey I pay darn good money for that slop

Witfull · 09-11-2006, 03:14 PM

actually, here in the Fed, we have good food. i eat here everyday. ok,ok,,,,the grill cheese is lousy (gov't cheese...lol)

lcstorc · 09-11-2006, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witfull

actually, here in the Fed, we have good food. i eat here everyday. ok,ok,,,,the grill cheese is lousy (gov't cheese...lol)

I'll take your word on that one.

Witfull · 09-11-2006, 03:17 PM

ok,,,but i was going to take you to dinner~

lcstorc · 09-11-2006, 03:18 PM

ROFL

Gee and I was hoping for the famous Garlic Krill you always talk about.

09-11-2006, 09:25 AM	#2 (permalink)
boozeman The CodFather ~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: new york Posts: 8,800 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: chemical warfare __________________ ...and when I'm old and wise little things mean little to me like autumn winds they'll blow right through me and someday, in the mist of time when they ask you if you knew me remember that you were a friend of mine

09-11-2006, 12:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
BoomerD Reef Shark Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,633 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: chemical warfare Not sure why y'all'd want to use a fillet knife to remove aiptaisa witty... http://www.gotyatackle.com/store/product.asp?ID=860 Oh, were you referring to bromium chloride? Department of Chemistry, Purdue University, West Lafayette, Indiana 47907-1393, USA. Aqueous-phase halogen reactions play an important role in tropospheric ozone depletion that is observed during Arctic sunrise where bromine chloride is a key intermediate. The temperature dependencies of BrCl(aq) equilibration with BrCl2-, HOBr(aq), Br2(aq), Cl2(aq), HOCl(aq), Br-, and other species (Br3-, Br2Cl-, Cl3-, OBr-, and OCI-) are determined as a function of Cl- concentration from pH 0 to pH 7. Values for K1 (=[BrCl2-]/([BrCl(aq)][Cl-])) at mu = 1.0 M are 3.8 M(-1) at 25.0 degrees C, 4.7 M(-1) at 10.0 degrees C, and 5.5 M(-1) at 0.0 degrees C, with deltaH1 degrees = -9.9 kJ mol(-1) and deltaS1 degrees = -22 J K(-1) mol(-1). BrCl(aq) hydrolysis equilibria have little or no temperature dependence with Kh1 (=[HOBr(aq)][Cl-][H+]/[BrCl(aq)]) = 1.3 x 10(-4) M2 from 25.0 to 5.0 degrees C, mu = 1.0 M. When conditions are adjusted to give a rapid partial hydrolysis of BrCl in equilibrium with HOBr and Cl- at p[H+] 4.31, a relatively slow reaction (kobsd = 2.4 s(-1)) to form HOCl and Br- is observed. This takes place via BrCl reaction with Cl- to form Cl2, which hydrolyzes in the rate-determining step to give HOCl. On the other hand, the rate of complete BrCl hydrolysis to form HOBr and Cl- at p[H+] 6.4 is extremely rapid with a first-order rate constant of 3.0 x 10(6) s(-1) at 25.0 degrees C. The reverse reaction between HOBr, Cl-, and H+ has a rate constant of 2.3 x 10(10) M(-2) s(-1), so that in seawater, where [Cl-]/[Br-] = 700, the formation of BrCl is much faster than the formation of Br2 from HOBr, Br-, and H+. Rapid formation of BrCl(aq) and its subsequent reaction with Br- is a viable pathway to give Br2(aq). Photolysis of Br2(g) is believed to initiate the reactions associated with ozone depletion. I'm sure (that other) Boomer might understand that gobbledy-gook, but it's all Chinese to me............ __________________ Intelligence is not knowing all the answers, but knowing where and how to find them! www.google.com

09-11-2006, 02:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,862 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: chemical warfare __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* ~120 Reef Chronicle ~ *~Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________ 120 mixed reef, dual Reeflux 10k 250 MHs, dual Geiseman Actinic T5s,Neptune AC III, ASM g3, 2x Korallia #3, Mag 9.5 return

09-11-2006, 02:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
Boomer Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,072 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: chemical warfare WARING DANGER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Witt. STOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! Barium chloride can kill you !!! All it takes is .8- .9 gram to be fatal. You try injecting aiptasia with that stuff and you will wipe all all that is alive in your tank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 gram in water will kill all aquatic life in 48 hrs or less. It is a listed EPA, OSHA and DOT Posion and is found in any std Desk Ref. on Hazardous and Dangerous Chemicals. Max exposure rate is 0.50 ppm / M^3 Barium Chloride is excessively TOXIC and VERY DANGEOUS. Barium in seawater is only 0.02 ppm. __________________ Boomer Want to Talk Chemistry ! The Reef Chemistry Forum Want to See More ! The Coral Realm If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

09-11-2006, 02:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,862 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: chemical warfare Witty, put the barium chloride down and slowly step away.... __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* ~120 Reef Chronicle ~ *~Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________ 120 mixed reef, dual Reeflux 10k 250 MHs, dual Geiseman Actinic T5s,Neptune AC III, ASM g3, 2x Korallia #3, Mag 9.5 return

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boozeman The CodFather ~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: new york Posts: 8,800 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: chemical warfare sodium...Omg, that stuff will kill ya!!! __________________ ...and when I'm old and wise little things mean little to me like autumn winds they'll blow right through me and someday, in the mist of time when they ask you if you knew me remember that you were a friend of mine

09-11-2006, 03:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
BoomerD Reef Shark Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,633 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: chemical warfare Instead of those nasty chemicals, why not just bring home some prison food, and use it on the aiptasias? THAT stuff will kill anything! __________________ Intelligence is not knowing all the answers, but knowing where and how to find them! www.google.com

09-11-2006, 03:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
boozeman The CodFather ~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: new york Posts: 8,800 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: chemical warfare hey I pay darn good money for that slop __________________ ...and when I'm old and wise little things mean little to me like autumn winds they'll blow right through me and someday, in the mist of time when they ask you if you knew me remember that you were a friend of mine

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lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 18,528 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: chemical warfare ROFL Gee and I was hoping for the famous Garlic Krill you always talk about. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back.

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