RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page - Page 52

Reef Ghost · 06-15-2009, 09:19 AM

Well I raised the skimmer a couple of inches off the plate and cut a piece of foam off a spare mag pump filter and set that just before the heater pane. This seems to have all but removed the micro bubbles but nothing in the cup yet. I have to say this thing arrives packaged so well fed ex could throw it out of a moving vehicle without damage and there is nothing cheap on this skimmer either. Very well made and easily pumps more than ten times the bubbles of a stock rsm skimmer.

Reefmack · 06-15-2009, 09:23 AM

Reef Ghost - that sponge in front of the heater pane really does help during break in!

flynfish · 06-15-2009, 03:27 PM

Redseareef.........Day 12.. I don't seem to be having any progress with the break in. The microbubbles continue at an annoying level, and output has been less than stellar. I can't seem to find just the right set point. Took the sponge out last night to try that again, but I'm skeptical. The cylinder is up as high as I can put it and the foam is spewing out of the bottom and only going about 1/2 way up the cylinder .

I had a strange thought , could I possibly have the cylinder in upside down? The longest part from the pumps goes up???

tnwillia · 06-15-2009, 06:07 PM

OK Todd, I'll be looking for it and will let you know with pictures here. Thanks!

Reef Ghost · 06-15-2009, 07:54 PM

Flynfish - Can't say I am an expert here because I am only on day 2 but I had the same problem with bubbles. I pushed the assembly as far right as I could, slid a piece of foam against the heater pane, and I am not using the foam in the skimmer. No more micro bubbles but I don't have anything in the cup yet. Seems like a couple of people had skim right away? I can't use the foam in the skimmer with no one around to watch for overflowing etc. My skimmer tube is set approx 2" over the plate. Happy to see bubbles are gone but eagerly awaiting some good skim because the tank needs it badly right now! I did notice if you push down the air lines slowly you see an immediate change in how many bubbles escape the bottom of the skimmer tube. Sort of an adjustment? Hope something here helps.

Reefmack · 06-15-2009, 08:03 PM

flynfish - unless I've been running mine upside down for weeks, yes, the longest part above the pumps should be facing to the top. See page 1 of this thread for my assembly pictures. Could you have the skimmer too high up, and the pumps are sucking in air? If your foam is only half way up that would indicate that you have to drop the cyclinder till the foam is at the bottom of the neck. I'm only guessing, but with the cylinder that high you may not be getting enough back pressure from the water to keep the bubbles in the cylinder. I would have thought after 12 days that you'd have seen a lot of improvement by now. I was getting a lot of good skimmate long before the bubbles ceased. I'm not sure what to tell you - maybe Todd can figure it out.

Maybe the small mesh wheels are not the answer everyone thought they would be?

TonyV · 06-15-2009, 09:46 PM

Day 4 update - Lots of skimmate. Skimmer getting lower and lower. It's currently sitting about 2" about the plate. Bubbles still getting injected into the system. Gets better then gets worse. Kinda of odd but I hope it's all part of the break-in process.

redseareef · 06-15-2009, 10:39 PM

flynfish,
No, you have the body correct. Largest part goes from the pumps up to the top.
It sounds to me like you have the body adjusted all the way up???? Once broken in, the body should be about 1-2 inches from the top of the mounting plate.
Any pictures?
What all are you adding to your tank? Additives? Food?

mattr69 · 06-16-2009, 04:14 AM

It just occured to me that with the new ER nano skimmer it is now possible to adjust the stock rsm surface skimmer? I normally leave mine down, but I suppose you can adjust it so it will work properly now? Is this true?

Reef Ghost · 06-16-2009, 12:26 PM

mattr69 - I am only on day 3 with my er skimmer but I can already tell there is no need to move that rsm skimmer grid. All the way down, there is nothing spinning on the surface. Seems like the er skimmer has done away with that issue, at least for mine. My skimmer now 1" above the plate, no foam in it, micro bubbles problem solved but still waiting for skim to go into the cup. Some of you had skim right away, hoping mine kicks in soon!

TonyV · 06-16-2009, 12:46 PM

I am going to remove the foam block on the bottom to see if that eliminates the "burping" tonight. I know it will lead to more bubbles in the display tank until it breaks in.

flynfish · 06-16-2009, 12:51 PM

Redseareef---- the reason I had the body all the way up is because with the sponge out that was the position that the least amount of foam was being drawn out from the bottom. With it down low almost all of it was coming out the bottom. I've replaced the sponge now, the bottom of the cup is currently about 3 inches from plate, and it's back to putting out a very wet skim. Some bubbles still being drawn out of the bottom.

TonyV · 06-17-2009, 02:45 AM

Day 5 update - Skimmate is nice and thick. I had to remove the foam in the bottom of the skimmer as the "burping" became an annoyance. This skimmer definitely produces more skimmate than the Tunze but it may be from the lack of mechanical filtration of the filter floss I had in my inTank media rack with my Tunze. I am a firm believer that there is no substitution for mechanical filtration so I am going to try and devise a mini rack to work with the ER to contain filter floss. I have since noticed since transitioning from the Tunze to the ER that my rear chambers have become soiled with settled debris.

I have also improved some of the bubbles that were escaping from around the o-ring grommets by pushing in further one of the pumps. It appeared that one pump had slipped out or wasn't properly seated during my installation. Bubbles continue to exist in the display tank but I have seen a slight improvement.

More to follow...

redseareef · 06-17-2009, 06:45 AM

mattr69,
You can adjust the overflow to where ever you like. Mine is adjusted down pretty low. My water level is in between the second and third notch in my water level window on the side.
You have to watch for a constantly changing water level. Very much so it you have no ATO unit on the tank.
Keeping the overflow clean makes a big difference in the water level in the rear chambers.

redseareef · 06-17-2009, 06:48 AM

flynfish,
Can you do me a faver? Could you measure the diameter of your mesh wheels when you get the chance?
I am curious to see if you maybe got a large mesh wheel/wheels by mistake.
How many days you have had yours running now?

06-15-2009, 09:19 AM	#766 (permalink)
Reef Ghost Fire Coral Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Middleboro, Massachusetts Posts: 62 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page Well I raised the skimmer a couple of inches off the plate and cut a piece of foam off a spare mag pump filter and set that just before the heater pane. This seems to have all but removed the micro bubbles but nothing in the cup yet. I have to say this thing arrives packaged so well fed ex could throw it out of a moving vehicle without damage and there is nothing cheap on this skimmer either. Very well made and easily pumps more than ten times the bubbles of a stock rsm skimmer. __________________ "Whatever lurks ahead of grievous abominations and disorder, you and me walk into it together like always."

06-15-2009, 09:23 AM	#767 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 6,162 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page Reef Ghost - that sponge in front of the heater pane really does help during break in! __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

06-15-2009, 03:27 PM	#768 (permalink)
flynfish Midas Blenny Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 88 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page Redseareef.........Day 12.. I don't seem to be having any progress with the break in. The microbubbles continue at an annoying level, and output has been less than stellar. I can't seem to find just the right set point. Took the sponge out last night to try that again, but I'm skeptical. The cylinder is up as high as I can put it and the foam is spewing out of the bottom and only going about 1/2 way up the cylinder . I had a strange thought , could I possibly have the cylinder in upside down? The longest part from the pumps goes up???

06-15-2009, 06:07 PM	#769 (permalink)
tnwillia Achilles Tang Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Irmo, South Carolina Posts: 872 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page OK Todd, I'll be looking for it and will let you know with pictures here. Thanks! __________________ Tom RSM 250 Jan 2009, 10Lb Live Rock, 70Lb Dry rock & 80Lb RS Reef Base, Euro Reef RSM 250 Skimmer, JBJ Artica 1/4hp Chiller, ViaAqua Titanium 300 Heater, APC 1500 UPS, 3.5KW Gas Generator, Custom in-cabinet Sump/Fuge and Nano Prefilter from LifeReef. Iwaki WMD40LXT External pump, JBJ ATO. Reef Octopus BH-2000 HOB as a back-up skimmer. Vortech MP-40 with battery backup and Outer Orbit dual 150 HQI/T5. My Tank Thread http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...nto-cycle.html My Back-up Skimmer Thread http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-2000-hob.html

06-15-2009, 07:54 PM	#770 (permalink)
Reef Ghost Fire Coral Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Middleboro, Massachusetts Posts: 62 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page Flynfish - Can't say I am an expert here because I am only on day 2 but I had the same problem with bubbles. I pushed the assembly as far right as I could, slid a piece of foam against the heater pane, and I am not using the foam in the skimmer. No more micro bubbles but I don't have anything in the cup yet. Seems like a couple of people had skim right away? I can't use the foam in the skimmer with no one around to watch for overflowing etc. My skimmer tube is set approx 2" over the plate. Happy to see bubbles are gone but eagerly awaiting some good skim because the tank needs it badly right now! I did notice if you push down the air lines slowly you see an immediate change in how many bubbles escape the bottom of the skimmer tube. Sort of an adjustment? Hope something here helps. __________________ "Whatever lurks ahead of grievous abominations and disorder, you and me walk into it together like always."

06-15-2009, 08:03 PM	#771 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 6,162 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page flynfish - unless I've been running mine upside down for weeks, yes, the longest part above the pumps should be facing to the top. See page 1 of this thread for my assembly pictures. Could you have the skimmer too high up, and the pumps are sucking in air? If your foam is only half way up that would indicate that you have to drop the cyclinder till the foam is at the bottom of the neck. I'm only guessing, but with the cylinder that high you may not be getting enough back pressure from the water to keep the bubbles in the cylinder. I would have thought after 12 days that you'd have seen a lot of improvement by now. I was getting a lot of good skimmate long before the bubbles ceased. I'm not sure what to tell you - maybe Todd can figure it out. Maybe the small mesh wheels are not the answer everyone thought they would be? __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

06-15-2009, 09:46 PM	#772 (permalink)
TonyV Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Jose, CA. Posts: 275 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page Day 4 update - Lots of skimmate. Skimmer getting lower and lower. It's currently sitting about 2" about the plate. Bubbles still getting injected into the system. Gets better then gets worse. Kinda of odd but I hope it's all part of the break-in process. __________________ My Setup: Red Sea Max 130D, Vortech MP20, Tunze 9002 Skimmer, Stealth 150W Heater, Aqua Euro 1/10th HP Chiller, inTank Media Rack

06-15-2009, 10:39 PM	#773 (permalink)
redseareef RS Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: L.A. California Posts: 1,367 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page flynfish, No, you have the body correct. Largest part goes from the pumps up to the top. It sounds to me like you have the body adjusted all the way up???? Once broken in, the body should be about 1-2 inches from the top of the mounting plate. Any pictures? What all are you adding to your tank? Additives? Food? __________________ I DELIGHT IN WEAKNESS, IN INSULTS, IN HARDSHIPS, IN PERSECUTIONS, IN DIFFICULTIES. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG 2Corinthians 12:10 So, God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind.......... Genesis 1:21 Why would God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden? Why would God allow Satan to tempt Eve? Wouldn't it have been better had God not placed this tree there and there where no opportunity for temptation? But how would God know you truly loved him unless you had a choice? How would God know you truly wanted to obey him unless you had a choice?

06-16-2009, 04:14 AM	#774 (permalink)
mattr69 Tunicate Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 24 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page It just occured to me that with the new ER nano skimmer it is now possible to adjust the stock rsm surface skimmer? I normally leave mine down, but I suppose you can adjust it so it will work properly now? Is this true?

06-16-2009, 12:26 PM	#775 (permalink)
Reef Ghost Fire Coral Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Middleboro, Massachusetts Posts: 62 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page mattr69 - I am only on day 3 with my er skimmer but I can already tell there is no need to move that rsm skimmer grid. All the way down, there is nothing spinning on the surface. Seems like the er skimmer has done away with that issue, at least for mine. My skimmer now 1" above the plate, no foam in it, micro bubbles problem solved but still waiting for skim to go into the cup. Some of you had skim right away, hoping mine kicks in soon! __________________ "Whatever lurks ahead of grievous abominations and disorder, you and me walk into it together like always."

06-16-2009, 12:46 PM	#776 (permalink)
TonyV Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Jose, CA. Posts: 275 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page I am going to remove the foam block on the bottom to see if that eliminates the "burping" tonight. I know it will lead to more bubbles in the display tank until it breaks in. __________________ My Setup: Red Sea Max 130D, Vortech MP20, Tunze 9002 Skimmer, Stealth 150W Heater, Aqua Euro 1/10th HP Chiller, inTank Media Rack

06-16-2009, 12:51 PM	#777 (permalink)
flynfish Midas Blenny Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 88 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page Redseareef---- the reason I had the body all the way up is because with the sponge out that was the position that the least amount of foam was being drawn out from the bottom. With it down low almost all of it was coming out the bottom. I've replaced the sponge now, the bottom of the cup is currently about 3 inches from plate, and it's back to putting out a very wet skim. Some bubbles still being drawn out of the bottom.

06-17-2009, 02:45 AM	#778 (permalink)
TonyV Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Jose, CA. Posts: 275 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page Day 5 update - Skimmate is nice and thick. I had to remove the foam in the bottom of the skimmer as the "burping" became an annoyance. This skimmer definitely produces more skimmate than the Tunze but it may be from the lack of mechanical filtration of the filter floss I had in my inTank media rack with my Tunze. I am a firm believer that there is no substitution for mechanical filtration so I am going to try and devise a mini rack to work with the ER to contain filter floss. I have since noticed since transitioning from the Tunze to the ER that my rear chambers have become soiled with settled debris. I have also improved some of the bubbles that were escaping from around the o-ring grommets by pushing in further one of the pumps. It appeared that one pump had slipped out or wasn't properly seated during my installation. Bubbles continue to exist in the display tank but I have seen a slight improvement. More to follow... __________________ My Setup: Red Sea Max 130D, Vortech MP20, Tunze 9002 Skimmer, Stealth 150W Heater, Aqua Euro 1/10th HP Chiller, inTank Media Rack

06-17-2009, 06:45 AM	#779 (permalink)
redseareef RS Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: L.A. California Posts: 1,367 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page mattr69, You can adjust the overflow to where ever you like. Mine is adjusted down pretty low. My water level is in between the second and third notch in my water level window on the side. You have to watch for a constantly changing water level. Very much so it you have no ATO unit on the tank. Keeping the overflow clean makes a big difference in the water level in the rear chambers. __________________ I DELIGHT IN WEAKNESS, IN INSULTS, IN HARDSHIPS, IN PERSECUTIONS, IN DIFFICULTIES. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG 2Corinthians 12:10 So, God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind.......... Genesis 1:21 Why would God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden? Why would God allow Satan to tempt Eve? Wouldn't it have been better had God not placed this tree there and there where no opportunity for temptation? But how would God know you truly loved him unless you had a choice? How would God know you truly wanted to obey him unless you had a choice?

06-17-2009, 06:48 AM	#780 (permalink)
redseareef RS Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: L.A. California Posts: 1,367 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: RedSea Max/ Euroreef Skimmer Page flynfish, Can you do me a faver? Could you measure the diameter of your mesh wheels when you get the chance? I am curious to see if you maybe got a large mesh wheel/wheels by mistake. How many days you have had yours running now? __________________ I DELIGHT IN WEAKNESS, IN INSULTS, IN HARDSHIPS, IN PERSECUTIONS, IN DIFFICULTIES. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG 2Corinthians 12:10 So, God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind.......... Genesis 1:21 Why would God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden? Why would God allow Satan to tempt Eve? Wouldn't it have been better had God not placed this tree there and there where no opportunity for temptation? But how would God know you truly loved him unless you had a choice? How would God know you truly wanted to obey him unless you had a choice?

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