expected skimmer output - Page 3

redseareef · 11-23-2008, 09:59 PM

if he's close to the top of the rim thats a disaster waiting to happen. Post a picture Rocks. Lets check it out.
The bottom line is this: The water level in the skimmer needs to be able to set higher then the water level in the tank. Does adjusting the airvalve raise the water level in the skimmer body?

redseareef · 11-23-2008, 10:14 PM

Also, a very important question that clicked in my head when I was in the bathroom......LOL.............Water is the water level in the tank vs. in the back on the other side of the grate?

MatthewJ · 11-23-2008, 10:29 PM

Thanks guys! I might have given up without your help.

I'll be ecstatic if I don't have to buy another skimmer. The water level with my arm completely submerged and hand on the bottom of the tank is about half way up the plastic rim, so I think I'm okay. It's slightly above the bottom of the rim otherwise. There are a couple reasons I think the level in the skimmer is too low.

the floor in my basement is not perfectly level. The tank is slightly lower in the front, resulting in the water being higher in the front. It isn't much, but every bit counts I think.
I don't have the normal media in the pump chamber. Currently, I just have a bag of chemipure elite. I think lack of the normal charcoal and ceramic media increases flow, which lowers the water level in the skimmer chamber. I say this only because if I turn one of the pumps off, the water goes up in the skimmer chamber. My thinking is that if I had that other media in there it would have a similar effect.

That second one is just a wag, since I don't understand the physics behind the skimmer and pumps. It seems plausible to me though

I'll let you know how it goes over the next few days.

redseareef · 11-23-2008, 10:38 PM

nice attention to detail! I have a few notes of you:

1. You can shim the front of the tank. It will take a few guys though to help you do it. I had to do tha tonce years ago. That would help to get the tank level and the water level in the back chambers higher.
I will not say how much, because I would have to see it. It certainly is working against your skimmer, as it is in the very back!!!!
That will lower the water level in the tank too.
My tank does the exact same thing. Turn one pump off and the water level goes up in the back! It's just gravity doing it's thing rocks.
Since you have minimal adjustments on that skimmer. Keep that pump CLEAN!!!! That output of that pump is giving you your water level in that skimmer. Or should I say mildly pressurizing the skimmer body.
Hey, great man! No money spent for another skimmer yet! LOL!!

Reefmack · 11-23-2008, 11:43 PM

redseareef - here are a couple links to pages that should give you an idea of what the older model RSM skimmer looks like. Both links illustrate some extensive mods done by mbdave. The first is from the old RSM Club we had going on Reef Central (dead now and reborn here at Reef Sanctuary!):

RSM Skimmer Mod

The second link is also mbdave's mod but the information is here on Reef Sanctuary:

RSM Skimmer Mod 2

Note that the older skimmer had no bottom - strange. mbdave has added a bottom and made a few other changes.

redseareef · 11-24-2008, 12:26 AM

Yes, he raised the water level by adding a standpipe and sealing up the bottom. He could have put another pipe inside with a few grooves and o-rings. This would have givin it infinate level adjustability! It may not have needed it though. Size restrictions are always a real pain.
Nice job mbdave!
All the ASM's, Euroreefs, and many others have been useing this design for a long time. It works well.
Essentially, the 130d skimmer has a standpipe too! It's the threaded neck. Same thing, different location. I am assuming too that the new pump is pumping more gph. They learned from their mistakes,lol. We all do, and The Good Lord knows I have made alot!!!!
PRetty cool! That is a option for you rocks if you are not happy with your current water levels. Your skimmer does look like it's working quite well now!
Hey Mack, is that small acan being saved for "The RedSea MAx Frag traders club????LOL

redseareef · 11-24-2008, 12:32 AM

actually there is a typo in my thread. My threaded neck is just for fine tuning. They got the pump size right on this one! Possibly the hole size too on the bottom of the skimmer.
I sure am happy with mine.....

Reefmack · 11-24-2008, 10:32 AM

redseareef - give my acans a chance to be enjoyed before I start selling them or chopping them up LOL! The latest addition (green/red one) looked even better on day 3!

By the way - if you get a chance could you post a picture of the top of the 130D skimmer? I know you had posted one early in your tank thread, but it was too small (pre-Photobucket) and I couldn't see any detail. You might still have the picture & could just repost with Photobucket?

redseareef · 11-24-2008, 12:25 PM

RM,
Yes, I will post some good pics of the unit now that you taught me how to use photobucker and post pics...........LOL

MatthewJ · 12-01-2008, 01:33 AM

Just thought I'd follow up. The skimmer is still working fairly well (relatively speaking). I leveled the tank by adding some shims in the front. I'm going to clean the skimmer cup every 3-4 days. I just dumped the cup and it was probably about 1/2" or so deep with skimmate. It's probably about 1 weeks worth. I still really believe that raising the water level is what had the most impact.

redseareef · 12-01-2008, 10:46 AM

myusernamerocks.
Right on! Glad to hear we could help. Just remember that a skimmer is a piece of equipment that needs tuning and maintenance!!!! I fiddle with mine all the time.
When you are ready to join "THE NOG CLUB" just let me know. It's not too painful, it's alot less with smaller tanks and skimmers!!!!

redseareef · 12-01-2008, 10:52 AM

oh, and give all the credit to RM. I am just tagging along in his shadow,trying to "look" like I know what I am doing.................LOL

MatthewJ · 12-01-2008, 11:43 AM

What's the NOG club?

Now I feel left out. lol.

redseareef · 12-01-2008, 03:06 PM

The Nog club is this:
Once you get a 1/4 cup of waste from your skimmer you put it in a small nogg glass.....................................AND DRINK IT DOWN!!!!!!
MANY HAVE TRIED ONLY TO..........................FAIL.................L OL!
Then, and only then, will you be a tried and true member. "MANY" have strange visions after drinking the liquid, so have a beer handy to chase it down immediately afterwards.............
Then my friend, you are in THE CLUB
PS Let me know how it tastes, as I haver done it.....LOL

Reefmack · 12-01-2008, 03:30 PM

I will never be a member of the NOG Club! There are much better ways to get sick or commit suicide LOL! That stuff has got to be poisonous with all of the possible coral toxins in it. I'm not even sure mixing it with alchohol would make it less toxic.

11-23-2008, 09:59 PM	#31 (permalink)
redseareef RS Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: L.A. California Posts: 1,279 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output if he's close to the top of the rim thats a disaster waiting to happen. Post a picture Rocks. Lets check it out. The bottom line is this: The water level in the skimmer needs to be able to set higher then the water level in the tank. Does adjusting the airvalve raise the water level in the skimmer body? __________________ I DELIGHT IN WEAKNESS, IN INSULTS, IN HARDSHIPS, IN PERSECUTIONS, IN DIFFICULTIES. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG 2Corinthians 12:10 So, God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind.......... Genesis 1:21 Why would God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden? Why would God allow Satan to tempt Eve? Wouldn't it have been better had God not placed this tree there and there where no opportunity for temptation? But how would God know you truly loved him unless you had a choice? How would God know you truly wanted to obey him unless you had a choice?

11-23-2008, 10:14 PM	#32 (permalink)
redseareef RS Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: L.A. California Posts: 1,279 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output Also, a very important question that clicked in my head when I was in the bathroom......LOL.............Water is the water level in the tank vs. in the back on the other side of the grate? __________________ I DELIGHT IN WEAKNESS, IN INSULTS, IN HARDSHIPS, IN PERSECUTIONS, IN DIFFICULTIES. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG 2Corinthians 12:10 So, God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind.......... Genesis 1:21 Why would God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden? Why would God allow Satan to tempt Eve? Wouldn't it have been better had God not placed this tree there and there where no opportunity for temptation? But how would God know you truly loved him unless you had a choice? How would God know you truly wanted to obey him unless you had a choice?

11-23-2008, 10:29 PM	#33 (permalink)
MatthewJ Cabbage Leather Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 372 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output Thanks guys! I might have given up without your help. I'll be ecstatic if I don't have to buy another skimmer. The water level with my arm completely submerged and hand on the bottom of the tank is about half way up the plastic rim, so I think I'm okay. It's slightly above the bottom of the rim otherwise. There are a couple reasons I think the level in the skimmer is too low. the floor in my basement is not perfectly level. The tank is slightly lower in the front, resulting in the water being higher in the front. It isn't much, but every bit counts I think. I don't have the normal media in the pump chamber. Currently, I just have a bag of chemipure elite. I think lack of the normal charcoal and ceramic media increases flow, which lowers the water level in the skimmer chamber. I say this only because if I turn one of the pumps off, the water goes up in the skimmer chamber. My thinking is that if I had that other media in there it would have a similar effect. That second one is just a wag, since I don't understand the physics behind the skimmer and pumps. It seems plausible to me though I'll let you know how it goes over the next few days.

11-23-2008, 10:38 PM	#34 (permalink)
redseareef RS Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: L.A. California Posts: 1,279 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output nice attention to detail! I have a few notes of you: 1. You can shim the front of the tank. It will take a few guys though to help you do it. I had to do tha tonce years ago. That would help to get the tank level and the water level in the back chambers higher. I will not say how much, because I would have to see it. It certainly is working against your skimmer, as it is in the very back!!!! That will lower the water level in the tank too. My tank does the exact same thing. Turn one pump off and the water level goes up in the back! It's just gravity doing it's thing rocks. Since you have minimal adjustments on that skimmer. Keep that pump CLEAN!!!! That output of that pump is giving you your water level in that skimmer. Or should I say mildly pressurizing the skimmer body. Hey, great man! No money spent for another skimmer yet! LOL!! __________________ I DELIGHT IN WEAKNESS, IN INSULTS, IN HARDSHIPS, IN PERSECUTIONS, IN DIFFICULTIES. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG 2Corinthians 12:10 So, God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind.......... Genesis 1:21 Why would God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden? Why would God allow Satan to tempt Eve? Wouldn't it have been better had God not placed this tree there and there where no opportunity for temptation? But how would God know you truly loved him unless you had a choice? How would God know you truly wanted to obey him unless you had a choice?

11-23-2008, 11:43 PM	#35 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 5,862 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output redseareef - here are a couple links to pages that should give you an idea of what the older model RSM skimmer looks like. Both links illustrate some extensive mods done by mbdave. The first is from the old RSM Club we had going on Reef Central (dead now and reborn here at Reef Sanctuary!): RSM Skimmer Mod The second link is also mbdave's mod but the information is here on Reef Sanctuary: RSM Skimmer Mod 2 Note that the older skimmer had no bottom - strange. mbdave has added a bottom and made a few other changes. __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

11-24-2008, 12:26 AM	#36 (permalink)
redseareef RS Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: L.A. California Posts: 1,279 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output Yes, he raised the water level by adding a standpipe and sealing up the bottom. He could have put another pipe inside with a few grooves and o-rings. This would have givin it infinate level adjustability! It may not have needed it though. Size restrictions are always a real pain. Nice job mbdave! All the ASM's, Euroreefs, and many others have been useing this design for a long time. It works well. Essentially, the 130d skimmer has a standpipe too! It's the threaded neck. Same thing, different location. I am assuming too that the new pump is pumping more gph. They learned from their mistakes,lol. We all do, and The Good Lord knows I have made alot!!!! PRetty cool! That is a option for you rocks if you are not happy with your current water levels. Your skimmer does look like it's working quite well now! Hey Mack, is that small acan being saved for "The RedSea MAx Frag traders club????LOL __________________ I DELIGHT IN WEAKNESS, IN INSULTS, IN HARDSHIPS, IN PERSECUTIONS, IN DIFFICULTIES. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG 2Corinthians 12:10 So, God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind.......... Genesis 1:21 Why would God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden? Why would God allow Satan to tempt Eve? Wouldn't it have been better had God not placed this tree there and there where no opportunity for temptation? But how would God know you truly loved him unless you had a choice? How would God know you truly wanted to obey him unless you had a choice?

11-24-2008, 12:32 AM	#37 (permalink)
redseareef RS Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: L.A. California Posts: 1,279 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output actually there is a typo in my thread. My threaded neck is just for fine tuning. They got the pump size right on this one! Possibly the hole size too on the bottom of the skimmer. I sure am happy with mine..... __________________ I DELIGHT IN WEAKNESS, IN INSULTS, IN HARDSHIPS, IN PERSECUTIONS, IN DIFFICULTIES. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG 2Corinthians 12:10 So, God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind.......... Genesis 1:21 Why would God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden? Why would God allow Satan to tempt Eve? Wouldn't it have been better had God not placed this tree there and there where no opportunity for temptation? But how would God know you truly loved him unless you had a choice? How would God know you truly wanted to obey him unless you had a choice?

11-24-2008, 10:32 AM	#38 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 5,862 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output redseareef - give my acans a chance to be enjoyed before I start selling them or chopping them up LOL! The latest addition (green/red one) looked even better on day 3! By the way - if you get a chance could you post a picture of the top of the 130D skimmer? I know you had posted one early in your tank thread, but it was too small (pre-Photobucket) and I couldn't see any detail. You might still have the picture & could just repost with Photobucket? __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

11-24-2008, 12:25 PM	#39 (permalink)
redseareef RS Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: L.A. California Posts: 1,279 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output RM, Yes, I will post some good pics of the unit now that you taught me how to use photobucker and post pics...........LOL __________________ I DELIGHT IN WEAKNESS, IN INSULTS, IN HARDSHIPS, IN PERSECUTIONS, IN DIFFICULTIES. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG 2Corinthians 12:10 So, God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind.......... Genesis 1:21 Why would God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden? Why would God allow Satan to tempt Eve? Wouldn't it have been better had God not placed this tree there and there where no opportunity for temptation? But how would God know you truly loved him unless you had a choice? How would God know you truly wanted to obey him unless you had a choice?

12-01-2008, 01:33 AM	#40 (permalink)
MatthewJ Cabbage Leather Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 372 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output Just thought I'd follow up. The skimmer is still working fairly well (relatively speaking). I leveled the tank by adding some shims in the front. I'm going to clean the skimmer cup every 3-4 days. I just dumped the cup and it was probably about 1/2" or so deep with skimmate. It's probably about 1 weeks worth. I still really believe that raising the water level is what had the most impact.

12-01-2008, 10:46 AM	#41 (permalink)
redseareef RS Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: L.A. California Posts: 1,279 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output myusernamerocks. Right on! Glad to hear we could help. Just remember that a skimmer is a piece of equipment that needs tuning and maintenance!!!! I fiddle with mine all the time. When you are ready to join "THE NOG CLUB" just let me know. It's not too painful, it's alot less with smaller tanks and skimmers!!!! __________________ I DELIGHT IN WEAKNESS, IN INSULTS, IN HARDSHIPS, IN PERSECUTIONS, IN DIFFICULTIES. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG 2Corinthians 12:10 So, God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind.......... Genesis 1:21 Why would God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden? Why would God allow Satan to tempt Eve? Wouldn't it have been better had God not placed this tree there and there where no opportunity for temptation? But how would God know you truly loved him unless you had a choice? How would God know you truly wanted to obey him unless you had a choice?

12-01-2008, 10:52 AM	#42 (permalink)
redseareef RS Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: L.A. California Posts: 1,279 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output oh, and give all the credit to RM. I am just tagging along in his shadow,trying to "look" like I know what I am doing.................LOL __________________ I DELIGHT IN WEAKNESS, IN INSULTS, IN HARDSHIPS, IN PERSECUTIONS, IN DIFFICULTIES. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG 2Corinthians 12:10 So, God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind.......... Genesis 1:21 Why would God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden? Why would God allow Satan to tempt Eve? Wouldn't it have been better had God not placed this tree there and there where no opportunity for temptation? But how would God know you truly loved him unless you had a choice? How would God know you truly wanted to obey him unless you had a choice?

12-01-2008, 11:43 AM	#43 (permalink)
MatthewJ Cabbage Leather Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 372 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output What's the NOG club? Now I feel left out. lol.

12-01-2008, 03:06 PM	#44 (permalink)
redseareef RS Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: L.A. California Posts: 1,279 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output The Nog club is this: Once you get a 1/4 cup of waste from your skimmer you put it in a small nogg glass.....................................AND DRINK IT DOWN!!!!!! MANY HAVE TRIED ONLY TO..........................FAIL.................L OL! Then, and only then, will you be a tried and true member. "MANY" have strange visions after drinking the liquid, so have a beer handy to chase it down immediately afterwards............. Then my friend, you are in THE CLUB PS Let me know how it tastes, as I haver done it.....LOL __________________ I DELIGHT IN WEAKNESS, IN INSULTS, IN HARDSHIPS, IN PERSECUTIONS, IN DIFFICULTIES. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG 2Corinthians 12:10 So, God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind.......... Genesis 1:21 Why would God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden? Why would God allow Satan to tempt Eve? Wouldn't it have been better had God not placed this tree there and there where no opportunity for temptation? But how would God know you truly loved him unless you had a choice? How would God know you truly wanted to obey him unless you had a choice?

12-01-2008, 03:30 PM	#45 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 5,862 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: expected skimmer output I will never be a member of the NOG Club! There are much better ways to get sick or commit suicide LOL! That stuff has got to be poisonous with all of the possible coral toxins in it. I'm not even sure mixing it with alchohol would make it less toxic. __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

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