Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! - Page 9

Reefmack · 05-30-2009, 10:37 PM

Chimo192 - I think you'll find the answer in this older thread. It's the inside diameter of the tubing that you need to have.

MJ1200 pump mod

3/4 inch ID on the tubing.

Chimo192 · 05-31-2009, 12:19 AM

Most excellent reefmack, and thank you

Chimo192 · 05-31-2009, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nanoreefing4fun

Chimo192 - tell me how high you have your water? When you look in the water level window, what mark are you running it at?

My water level is at the inside base of the trim, to allow the skimmer inlet grate work.

Hope this helps.

Was considering a RSM 250 until today..

its $2100.00 here,,,,,,,,yikes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Maybe when I get back from tour

supermarlin · 05-31-2009, 05:57 AM

Thanks everybody for thinking with me:

Whipitup: been there, done that.
Reefmack: normal amount of foam everyday in the skimmer, good colour.
also I have build myself a SteveT kind of mediarack,
preventing bubbles to reach the chamber of death. I am convinced
that no left over bubbles from the Tunze reaches the pumps.
Nanoreef4fun: I have the 130 D.

The only thing I did not try is extending the pump inlets so the water is sucked into the 2 pumps at a lower level.
If the microbubble problem is cavitation, and I think it is, it will not help (??)

I am afraid I will end up with bying a big Eheim with a pump inlet hanging into the chamber of death, outlet into the tank. Or should I say chamber of money.

nanoreefing4fun · 05-31-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

water level is at the inside base of the trim,

That's not high enough...

Raise it on up... quite a bit! See the drain holes in the trays that the lid arms rest in? Raise your water level up to where it's touching the bottom of these holes & see if that does not cause the micro bubbles to cease.

Also raise your overflow cup up to 1/4" from it highest position... if you raise this up your water level will be just above it's teeth.

Also... get a level & check the tank to make sure it's level, you can but some wooden cabinet shims at lowes or home depot (about 2$) & drive them under the rsm cabinet base to help obtain leveling, also make sure the back bottom is not raised up like on the carpet tack under a rug if you happen to have it on carpet.

The keys imo (in my opinion) are...

#1 water level
#2 flow... clean the pumps & check filters and any thing that can restrict flow (carbon, micro-balls, etc...)- which effects water lever in the left - chamber of death - relates to water level
#3 make sure tanks level - also related to water level

all the above is under the assumption the problems is not related to the skimmer... if you can turn off the skimmer & still have micro-bubbles... check the above...

Only one other time I had micro-bubbles that the above did not fix & it was when I bought some ro/di saltwater from another lsf then the one I normally use... either the change in what salt they used was different or the water it's self was quite different... which I suspect was the case... more TDS (Total Dissolved Solids) this cause micro-bubbles for a couple of days & is one other element to check & ask your self about... the quality of your water... a TDS meter could really help answer that question, below is a link to an example of one... HM Digital Economy TDS Meter, TDS-EZ for sale. Buy from The Science Company.

But let me close with... raise up your water level... imo... by design, our rsm's require it to be at a level that "seems" to be higher than you would think it should be at, but at this higher level it works best.

Hope this helps... I can't say the above is the surefire answer for everyone, but I can tell you it solved my micro-bubble problem 100% in my 130D tank - it's an easy, quick and simple fix, so give it a try & report back !

Nowellsy SNR · 05-31-2009, 02:11 PM

Is it normal to get lots of microbubbles after adding liverock?

LimoMan · 06-01-2009, 04:28 PM

I have had my RSM 130 for a year now, just got rid of some cyano using "Red Slime Remover" by Chemiclean. As soon as I ran the protein skimmer (24 hrs after treatment) I have had the most microbubbles since I first added live rock and livestock! I did this last Thursday and I am still getting a ton of bubbles and skimmate in the collection cup. Up until this time, I was barely getting any skimmate at all. Now I am back to emptying the cup every couple days as opposed to every couple of weeks. Any ideas on this and if it's normal?

Reefmack · 06-01-2009, 06:26 PM

I think it's normal for the skimmer to go crazy after Chemi-Clean, till it removes it from the water. Probably why you're seeing more microbubbles.

supermarlin · 06-02-2009, 12:20 PM

Still microbubbles in my tank. Very busy with work these days so no time for trying a extern pump instead of the 2 stock pumps.
But reading replys from other posters I have a few questions.

1 Waterlevel: how can the waterlevel influence microbubbles?
I tried it just underneath the 2 holes of the chamber of death and far (to
far) above it.
2 Flow: lets say the flow is a littlebit less then normal caused by, I dont now
lets say Ca. How can this causing microbubbles?
3 Leveled: how can, if the tank is not completely leveled, lets say 1 cm to
the right or left creating microbubbles?
4 T.D.S: how can TDS create microbubbles, or live rock, or another brand of
salt?
5 Tyraps around the pumps: how can tyrap around the pumphouse have
influence on microbubbles if the pumps inside is epoxied out of one piece?

I do understand how bubbles can escape out of a (bad) protein skimmer and can get sucked into the 2 stockpumps.

But I bought a Tunze 9002 that releases no extern bubbles (checked and rechecked) and even when the Tunze skimmer off for 24 hours: still microbubbles.

nanoreefing4fun · 06-02-2009, 12:54 PM

Quote:

I tried it just underneath the 2 holes of the chamber of death

??? Not sure what this is... in my post I was referring to "the drain holes in the trays that the lid arms rest in"

If the water level on my 130D, drops I get micro bubbles... the pumps in the chamber of death... cause this... they need (imo & in my tank) HIGH water & Flow ... without either... I can "create" micro bubbles upon demand, in just a few seconds, or solve them... in my tank.

If water level up high enough, level, not as big a deal, a tilt of 1/4" might though...

TDS - can cause the skimmers to go crazy & produce micro bubbles...

If you don't have your water level up to "the drain holes in the trays that the lid arms rest in - in the main tank" try this... always works for me...

supermarlin · 06-02-2009, 01:29 PM

nanonreefing4fun,
thanks for your fast reply. I mean the 2 holes where the pump outlets stick out. Im sorry, Englisch is not my first language.

I have filled the chamber of death so high you could not see the waterlevel trough the litttle window on the left side anymore. But

still bubbles.

Anyway, I will try something else, I am shure in the end they will be gone but with other pumps.

nanoreefing4fun · 06-02-2009, 03:54 PM

Quote:

I have filled the chamber of death so high you could not see the waterlevel trough the litttle window on the left side anymore

Supermarlin - are you actually filling the chamber of death with water to accomplish the test or filling the whole tank up?

I am pretty sure no matter how high you fill the back compartments up or the chamber of death (back left), that alone won't help or work, as soon as the pumps kick on, it would drop... you have to fill the whole tank to this water mark. "the drain holes in the trays that the lid arms rest in - in the main tank"

Are your pumps ... pumping strong? Have you tried cleaning them? If you turn off the skimmer & still have micro bubbles... it almost has to be related to one of four (4) things... the water level, the flow to these pumps or the pumps themselves or the quality of the water TDS - plus chemicals.

Are you using ro/di water? What chemicals are you running, if any?

PS - your English is fine

Other RSM 130D owners - jump in here & help - am I missing something?

nanoreefing4fun · 06-02-2009, 03:57 PM

also... have you done this?

Raise your overflow cup up to 1/4" from it highest position... if you raise this up your water level will be just above it's teeth. This would effect flow...

redsea reefer · 06-02-2009, 04:24 PM

I have my over flow cup at its highest position and the water level touching the hood hinges that are on the tank and my water line behind the grate where the sponge is 1/4 to 1/2 inch below the water line in the main tank.

Billdad1 · 07-04-2009, 01:29 AM

Micro Bubbles...........
I have determined that some of what I thought were micro bubbles are floating particles due to insufficient mechanical filtration...I think...? Tonight I cut a piece of cloth filter material and laid it on top of the 1" thick black foam. That should catch the particles within a day. Problem is the bubbles got worse due to even more pump cavitation. Water level in the chamber of death dropped rapidly due to the restricted flow. I am running it tonight with only one stock pump to let the filter pad catch as much debris as possible.
Pinky insists that the problem is restricted flow. I have a problem with that since I am normally only running 1/3 of the black sponge and that is not catching the fine debris. If that is restricting the flow what do we do???

05-30-2009, 10:37 PM	#121 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 6,160 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! Chimo192 - I think you'll find the answer in this older thread. It's the inside diameter of the tubing that you need to have. MJ1200 pump mod 3/4 inch ID on the tubing. __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

05-31-2009, 12:19 AM	#122 (permalink)
Chimo192 Tubeworm Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 30 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! Most excellent reefmack, and thank you __________________ "The one absolutely unselfish friend that a man can have in this selfish world, the one that never deserts him, the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous, is his dog."- George Graham Vest

05-31-2009, 05:57 AM	#124 (permalink)
supermarlin Tunicate Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 10 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! Thanks everybody for thinking with me: Whipitup: been there, done that. Reefmack: normal amount of foam everyday in the skimmer, good colour. also I have build myself a SteveT kind of mediarack, preventing bubbles to reach the chamber of death. I am convinced that no left over bubbles from the Tunze reaches the pumps. Nanoreef4fun: I have the 130 D. The only thing I did not try is extending the pump inlets so the water is sucked into the 2 pumps at a lower level. If the microbubble problem is cavitation, and I think it is, it will not help (??) I am afraid I will end up with bying a big Eheim with a pump inlet hanging into the chamber of death, outlet into the tank. Or should I say chamber of money.

05-31-2009, 02:11 PM	#126 (permalink)
Nowellsy SNR Elegance coral Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Preston UK Posts: 1,202 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! Is it normal to get lots of microbubbles after adding liverock? __________________ *Anthony Proud UK Based RSM 250 Owner* *Red Sea Max 250 Started 9/5/09 24kg Indonesian Live Rock, Tunze Stream 6065 Powerhead, D-D DC300 Chiller with external pump.....Vortech MP40 Coming for Xmas* *My Tank threadTake a look have a Nosey*** Last edited by Nowellsy SNR : 05-31-2009 at 07:07 PM.

06-01-2009, 04:28 PM	#127 (permalink)
LimoMan Bryozoan Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 46 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! I have had my RSM 130 for a year now, just got rid of some cyano using "Red Slime Remover" by Chemiclean. As soon as I ran the protein skimmer (24 hrs after treatment) I have had the most microbubbles since I first added live rock and livestock! I did this last Thursday and I am still getting a ton of bubbles and skimmate in the collection cup. Up until this time, I was barely getting any skimmate at all. Now I am back to emptying the cup every couple days as opposed to every couple of weeks. Any ideas on this and if it's normal?

06-01-2009, 06:26 PM	#128 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 6,160 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! I think it's normal for the skimmer to go crazy after Chemi-Clean, till it removes it from the water. Probably why you're seeing more microbubbles. __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

06-02-2009, 12:20 PM	#129 (permalink)
supermarlin Tunicate Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 10 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! Still microbubbles in my tank. Very busy with work these days so no time for trying a extern pump instead of the 2 stock pumps. But reading replys from other posters I have a few questions. 1 Waterlevel: how can the waterlevel influence microbubbles? I tried it just underneath the 2 holes of the chamber of death and far (to far) above it. 2 Flow: lets say the flow is a littlebit less then normal caused by, I dont now lets say Ca. How can this causing microbubbles? 3 Leveled: how can, if the tank is not completely leveled, lets say 1 cm to the right or left creating microbubbles? 4 T.D.S: how can TDS create microbubbles, or live rock, or another brand of salt? 5 Tyraps around the pumps: how can tyrap around the pumphouse have influence on microbubbles if the pumps inside is epoxied out of one piece? I do understand how bubbles can escape out of a (bad) protein skimmer and can get sucked into the 2 stockpumps. But I bought a Tunze 9002 that releases no extern bubbles (checked and rechecked) and even when the Tunze skimmer off for 24 hours: still microbubbles.

06-02-2009, 01:29 PM	#131 (permalink)
supermarlin Tunicate Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 10 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! nanonreefing4fun, thanks for your fast reply. I mean the 2 holes where the pump outlets stick out. Im sorry, Englisch is not my first language. I have filled the chamber of death so high you could not see the waterlevel trough the litttle window on the left side anymore. But still bubbles. Anyway, I will try something else, I am shure in the end they will be gone but with other pumps.

06-02-2009, 03:57 PM	#133 (permalink)
nanoreefing4fun Manta Ray Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Central Arkansas, USA Posts: 3,552 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! also... have you done this? Raise your overflow cup up to 1/4" from it highest position... if you raise this up your water level will be just above it's teeth. This would effect flow... __________________ ~ Glenn 34 gal Red Sea Max 130D, with 2 1/2" deep sand bed of 0.1-0.2 Fine/Medium sand CaribSea Aragonite Seaflor Special Grade reef Sand and 35 # Live Rock Tonga Branch * CUC (snails, Ceriths, Nassarius, Margarita Turbos, Astrea & Banded Trochus - one Emerald crab - one Skunk Cleaner) * Coral - Two Color Aacanthastrea, Red Chalice Coral, Closed Brain Coral, Turbinaria Scroll Ridge Coral, Blue Tip Branching Acropora, Birdsnest Pink Coral, Cup Coral, Torch Coral , Hammerhead Coral, Open Brain Coral Orange, Keyna Tree Coral, Green Star Polyp, Frogspawn, Pom Pom Xenia, Green Eyed Zoanthids, Candy Cane Coral, Ricordea Floridian, Duncan Coral, Staghorn Acropora, Blue Chalice Coral, Flowerpot Goniopora & Bluestriped Mushroom *** Fish - (1) Scooter Blenny (2) Ocellaris Clownfish (1) Yellow Clown Goby My Tank Thread (click here to see the latest pics of my tank & how it is progressing)

06-02-2009, 04:24 PM	#134 (permalink)
redsea reefer Golden Moray Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: L.A, California Posts: 2,149 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! I have my over flow cup at its highest position and the water level touching the hood hinges that are on the tank and my water line behind the grate where the sponge is 1/4 to 1/2 inch below the water line in the main tank. __________________ Eddie 34g RSM 130 with 45#'s live rock and 30#'s aragonite reef sand. Tunze 9002 skimmer with inTank media rack - Koralia 2 My Tank Thread

07-04-2009, 01:29 AM	#135 (permalink)
Billdad1 Tunicate Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 10 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! Micro Bubbles........... I have determined that some of what I thought were micro bubbles are floating particles due to insufficient mechanical filtration...I think...? Tonight I cut a piece of cloth filter material and laid it on top of the 1" thick black foam. That should catch the particles within a day. Problem is the bubbles got worse due to even more pump cavitation. Water level in the chamber of death dropped rapidly due to the restricted flow. I am running it tonight with only one stock pump to let the filter pad catch as much debris as possible. Pinky insists that the problem is restricted flow. I have a problem with that since I am normally only running 1/3 of the black sponge and that is not catching the fine debris. If that is restricting the flow what do we do???

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