Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! - Page 11

Nowellsy SNR · 07-30-2009, 07:50 PM

Coming upto 3 mounths

Billdad1 · 07-30-2009, 08:03 PM

I removed the two stock pumps and installed two Maxi Jet 600's in the bottom of the chamber of death and presto, no more bubbles!! A very simple modification that took all of 20 minutes or less.

nanoreefing4fun · 07-30-2009, 08:06 PM

Billdad1 - cool good work - can you tell us more details about your mod & post any pics ?

Love details no matter how small & really love pics

This is the pump you used, correct?

Maxi-Jet Powerhead Images)

Billdad1 · 07-31-2009, 04:05 AM

I didn't take any pictures but it was very simple. I used two nylon 1/2" 90 deg. HBXHB fittings and just sanded the barbs off of one side of each one. Used 1/2" clear vinyl tubing between the Maxi-jet 600 and the 90 deg. fitting. Insert the sanded side through the back wall and push on the stock nozzle until it is snug against the glass.
The second pump sits on top of the first so the tubing is about 3" shorter.
That is it. 20 min. job.
Someone else posted this mod on another thread and suggested the Ehime pumps. I think those pumps would be better because they can sit side by side in the chamber. I had to put the MJ"s one on top of the other. It does work just fine though.

David Shaw · 08-28-2009, 08:29 PM

Replace the stock skimmer with the Tunze 9002. Easy to fit and fits nicely into the back without disruption as it is small.

Installed mine in 10 minutes and no micro bubbles from the moment i switched it on. Better foam production and practically silent so no more noise!

Also the stock skimmer adds about 2 degrees to the temp due to the pump heating up. No temp issues now either, a steady 79/80 day and night !

twistedReefer · 11-10-2009, 12:44 AM

I just set up my rsm130d and have nothing in the COD, keep the water level up to the hindges on the display tank, and I extended the inlet tubes with staggard lengths very nicely with 1/2" thin wall stiff tubing that held in place, ran a lite silicon seal around the covers - END RESULT "poor design and the wrong pumps"
many other AIO tanks have the pump on the bottom. I realize they wanted to keep media in that chamber so they needed the pumps on top, which makes no sense because its impossible to change out the media. I have a biocube and had a nanocube and no micro bubbles unless the water in the sump evaporated below the pump intake.
These pumps are made for something else, whats with the type of mount on the opposite side and the cheap covers on top and bottom that come off easily, these pumps were an after thought used for something else surely for an expensive tank they could have used a better pump.

researching available water pumps out there and trying to duplicate the same flow rate I believe that the Eheim 600@ 160 gph equates to slightly more gph but will loose some flow rate due to height to the opening.
I have the MAxijet 900 pump not power head in my biocube great pump but at 247 gph a bit much.
I wish I could pack up all the components of the rsm 130 that from the start never went in ie; heater, skimmer, media, and now the pumps and get a refund from redsea.
I'll give it 2 weeks while I let it cycle- but it looks like I'm going to do the pump mod as well- that sucks getting an aio tank having to chuck out most if not all the components- I hear even the Elos mini have a similar problem with micro bubbles- don't the R&D dept test these things, what are they sleeping on the job!

Reefmack · 11-10-2009, 07:53 AM

Gmornin Rick. I can't disagree with anything you said. If you're running the Tunze, also be sure that's not the source of the microbubbles - there has been an infrequent 9002 that has spewed out microbubbles from the bottom. You should be able to rule that out by opening the power chamber and looking in the back. But as I said, I think most of us would agree with your conclusions - an expensive tank with cheapo equipment and some poor engineering in the back.

twistedReefer · 11-10-2009, 07:29 PM

Terry,
did you get the DA equip yet?
I went ahead and ordered the eheim pumps and the necessary plumbing to get it going. It makes no sense to complain to Pinky @ Red Sea just to receive satisfaction I was psyched when I modded the rs pumps with some thin wall hard plastic tubing it was very light, i added the tie to secure it and ran a slight silicon seal around the cover , its not the skimmer its not running these pumps seem to suck in some air from somewhere . I know their sealed on the top under the plastic covers but something is not right. You know its a chronic problem with all the threads and complaints about it on this site as well as others., I'll let you know how it goes when i complete the mod and hopefully no micro bubbles........
take care

Reefmack · 11-10-2009, 07:41 PM

Rick - I got the RKL Friday, but can't seem to find the proper amount of free time to play with it! I may look at it this evening and do some programming without hooking equipment up to it yet. I'd at least like to get my heater controlled by it.

Those pumps have been a problem for most of us. With my sump my water level in back is now constantly right up at the very top edge of the pumps and I no longer get any of the microbubbles. Before that I would still get an infrequent burst of bubbles.

redsea reefer · 11-10-2009, 07:41 PM

I agree with you to Rick, its not the skimmer but the return pumps. Mine are defiantly not sucking in air cause my water line is almost at the top of the return pumps. Mine is not constant but I do get periodic spurts of microbubbles. Any mods you do to the stock pumps will not work, I have tried them all besides replacing them. I will replace the tank before I replace the return pumps.

The RSM 130 is more beauty than brains...

nanoreefing4fun · 11-10-2009, 08:12 PM

Quote:

With my sump my water level in back is now constantly right up at the very top edge of the pumps and I no longer get any of the microbubbles

The key flow & high water level, I figured out how to stop my microbbles the the 1st day and non since... have helped lots over come them in 130D's - flow & high water levels

nanoreefing4fun · 11-15-2009, 03:20 PM

Glenn's new RSM 130D

A link to maintenance that may help.

07-30-2009, 07:50 PM	#151 (permalink)
Nowellsy SNR Elegance coral Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Preston UK Posts: 1,202 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! Coming upto 3 mounths __________________ *Anthony Proud UK Based RSM 250 Owner* *Red Sea Max 250 Started 9/5/09 24kg Indonesian Live Rock, Tunze Stream 6065 Powerhead, D-D DC300 Chiller with external pump.....Vortech MP40 Coming for Xmas* *My Tank threadTake a look have a Nosey***

07-30-2009, 08:03 PM	#152 (permalink)
Billdad1 Tunicate Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 10 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! I removed the two stock pumps and installed two Maxi Jet 600's in the bottom of the chamber of death and presto, no more bubbles!! A very simple modification that took all of 20 minutes or less.

07-30-2009, 08:06 PM	#153 (permalink)
nanoreefing4fun Manta Ray Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Central Arkansas, USA Posts: 3,546 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! Billdad1 - cool good work - can you tell us more details about your mod & post any pics ? Love details no matter how small & really love pics This is the pump you used, correct? Maxi-Jet Powerhead Images) __________________ ~ Glenn 34 gal Red Sea Max 130D, with 2 1/2" deep sand bed of 0.1-0.2 Fine/Medium sand CaribSea Aragonite Seaflor Special Grade reef Sand and 35 # Live Rock Tonga Branch * CUC (snails, Ceriths, Nassarius, Margarita Turbos, Astrea & Banded Trochus - one Emerald crab - one Skunk Cleaner) * Coral - Two Color Aacanthastrea, Red Chalice Coral, Closed Brain Coral, Turbinaria Scroll Ridge Coral, Blue Tip Branching Acropora, Birdsnest Pink Coral, Cup Coral, Torch Coral , Hammerhead Coral, Open Brain Coral Orange, Keyna Tree Coral, Green Star Polyp, Frogspawn, Pom Pom Xenia, Green Eyed Zoanthids, Candy Cane Coral, Ricordea Floridian, Duncan Coral, Staghorn Acropora, Blue Chalice Coral, Flowerpot Goniopora & Bluestriped Mushroom *** Fish - (1) Scooter Blenny (2) Ocellaris Clownfish (1) Yellow Clown Goby My Tank Thread (click here to see the latest pics of my tank & how it is progressing)

07-31-2009, 04:05 AM	#154 (permalink)
Billdad1 Tunicate Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 10 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! I didn't take any pictures but it was very simple. I used two nylon 1/2" 90 deg. HBXHB fittings and just sanded the barbs off of one side of each one. Used 1/2" clear vinyl tubing between the Maxi-jet 600 and the 90 deg. fitting. Insert the sanded side through the back wall and push on the stock nozzle until it is snug against the glass. The second pump sits on top of the first so the tubing is about 3" shorter. That is it. 20 min. job. Someone else posted this mod on another thread and suggested the Ehime pumps. I think those pumps would be better because they can sit side by side in the chamber. I had to put the MJ"s one on top of the other. It does work just fine though.

08-28-2009, 08:29 PM	#155 (permalink)
David Shaw Fire Coral Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 76 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Microbubbles in your RSM? Get a replacement skimmer and sorted ! Replace the stock skimmer with the Tunze 9002. Easy to fit and fits nicely into the back without disruption as it is small. Installed mine in 10 minutes and no micro bubbles from the moment i switched it on. Better foam production and practically silent so no more noise! Also the stock skimmer adds about 2 degrees to the temp due to the pump heating up. No temp issues now either, a steady 79/80 day and night !

11-10-2009, 12:44 AM	#156 (permalink)
twistedReefer Bryozoan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Long Island, New yawk Posts: 52 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! I just set up my rsm130d and have nothing in the COD, keep the water level up to the hindges on the display tank, and I extended the inlet tubes with staggard lengths very nicely with 1/2" thin wall stiff tubing that held in place, ran a lite silicon seal around the covers - END RESULT "poor design and the wrong pumps" many other AIO tanks have the pump on the bottom. I realize they wanted to keep media in that chamber so they needed the pumps on top, which makes no sense because its impossible to change out the media. I have a biocube and had a nanocube and no micro bubbles unless the water in the sump evaporated below the pump intake. These pumps are made for something else, whats with the type of mount on the opposite side and the cheap covers on top and bottom that come off easily, these pumps were an after thought used for something else surely for an expensive tank they could have used a better pump. researching available water pumps out there and trying to duplicate the same flow rate I believe that the Eheim 600@ 160 gph equates to slightly more gph but will loose some flow rate due to height to the opening. I have the MAxijet 900 pump not power head in my biocube great pump but at 247 gph a bit much. I wish I could pack up all the components of the rsm 130 that from the start never went in ie; heater, skimmer, media, and now the pumps and get a refund from redsea. I'll give it 2 weeks while I let it cycle- but it looks like I'm going to do the pump mod as well- that sucks getting an aio tank having to chuck out most if not all the components- I hear even the Elos mini have a similar problem with micro bubbles- don't the R&D dept test these things, what are they sleeping on the job! __________________ Rick

11-10-2009, 07:53 AM	#157 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 6,152 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! Gmornin Rick. I can't disagree with anything you said. If you're running the Tunze, also be sure that's not the source of the microbubbles - there has been an infrequent 9002 that has spewed out microbubbles from the bottom. You should be able to rule that out by opening the power chamber and looking in the back. But as I said, I think most of us would agree with your conclusions - an expensive tank with cheapo equipment and some poor engineering in the back. __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

11-10-2009, 07:29 PM	#158 (permalink)
twistedReefer Bryozoan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Long Island, New yawk Posts: 52 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! Terry, did you get the DA equip yet? I went ahead and ordered the eheim pumps and the necessary plumbing to get it going. It makes no sense to complain to Pinky @ Red Sea just to receive satisfaction I was psyched when I modded the rs pumps with some thin wall hard plastic tubing it was very light, i added the tie to secure it and ran a slight silicon seal around the cover , its not the skimmer its not running these pumps seem to suck in some air from somewhere . I know their sealed on the top under the plastic covers but something is not right. You know its a chronic problem with all the threads and complaints about it on this site as well as others., I'll let you know how it goes when i complete the mod and hopefully no micro bubbles........ take care __________________ Rick

11-10-2009, 07:41 PM	#159 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 6,152 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! Rick - I got the RKL Friday, but can't seem to find the proper amount of free time to play with it! I may look at it this evening and do some programming without hooking equipment up to it yet. I'd at least like to get my heater controlled by it. Those pumps have been a problem for most of us. With my sump my water level in back is now constantly right up at the very top edge of the pumps and I no longer get any of the microbubbles. Before that I would still get an infrequent burst of bubbles. __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

11-10-2009, 07:41 PM	#160 (permalink)
redsea reefer Golden Moray Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: L.A, California Posts: 2,144 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! I agree with you to Rick, its not the skimmer but the return pumps. Mine are defiantly not sucking in air cause my water line is almost at the top of the return pumps. Mine is not constant but I do get periodic spurts of microbubbles. Any mods you do to the stock pumps will not work, I have tried them all besides replacing them. I will replace the tank before I replace the return pumps. The RSM 130 is more beauty than brains... __________________ Eddie 34g RSM 130 with 45#'s live rock and 30#'s aragonite reef sand. Tunze 9002 skimmer with inTank media rack - Koralia 2 My Tank Thread

11-15-2009, 03:20 PM	#162 (permalink)
nanoreefing4fun Manta Ray Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Central Arkansas, USA Posts: 3,546 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Microbubbles in your RSM? Check here! Glenn's new RSM 130D A link to maintenance that may help. __________________ ~ Glenn 34 gal Red Sea Max 130D, with 2 1/2" deep sand bed of 0.1-0.2 Fine/Medium sand CaribSea Aragonite Seaflor Special Grade reef Sand and 35 # Live Rock Tonga Branch * CUC (snails, Ceriths, Nassarius, Margarita Turbos, Astrea & Banded Trochus - one Emerald crab - one Skunk Cleaner) * Coral - Two Color Aacanthastrea, Red Chalice Coral, Closed Brain Coral, Turbinaria Scroll Ridge Coral, Blue Tip Branching Acropora, Birdsnest Pink Coral, Cup Coral, Torch Coral , Hammerhead Coral, Open Brain Coral Orange, Keyna Tree Coral, Green Star Polyp, Frogspawn, Pom Pom Xenia, Green Eyed Zoanthids, Candy Cane Coral, Ricordea Floridian, Duncan Coral, Staghorn Acropora, Blue Chalice Coral, Flowerpot Goniopora & Bluestriped Mushroom *** Fish - (1) Scooter Blenny (2) Ocellaris Clownfish (1) Yellow Clown Goby My Tank Thread (click here to see the latest pics of my tank & how it is progressing)

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