Tunze Wavebox?

slakker · 10-02-2008, 02:56 PM

OK... I feel like I'm posting way too much

, and it may be a silly question but has anyone used a wave maker type device in the RSM?

I know the Tunze may rock the water too much and I saw a picture of a system where a Red Sea wave timer was used, but with only 1 power-head?

Basically, I want to minimize the detritus buildup on the rocks. I have to manually do this in my 14G and 8G with a turkey baster. Will be getting a Tunze Nano wavebox for my 72G Main DT, but want to see what innovative ideas are out there for the RSM.

Reefmack · 10-02-2008, 09:34 PM

slakker - I very vaguely remember someone putting in some type of wavemaker, but I may be wrong. The RSM may be a bit small for wavemakers, but maybe with small powerheads it may not be a bad idea. You could probably get some intermittent flow in the tank just by mounting 2 powerheads on opposite sides, at a lower cost than a wavemaker. I have a Tunze Nanostream still in the box that I was going to mount on the left side, and point it at my right side Koralia, but it's one of those things I haven't gotten to yet.

BigAl07 · 10-02-2008, 09:45 PM

not a RSM but I have 2 Koralia Nanos and 1 #1 Koralia in my 10g tank pointing directly at each other. Well it's more like...

#1 & a Nano on upper left pointing right
Nano on right upper pointing left.

These opposing currents make a very erratic current IN the tank..... Looks cool and should benefit the coral population.

Snelly40 · 10-02-2008, 10:01 PM

they do have a smaller wavebox now too

LaurentSeattle · 10-02-2008, 10:22 PM

My Koralia Hydor Flo's are much cheaper than wave making systems and they are doing a great job at creating everchanging currents.

mrfishy · 10-03-2008, 04:49 PM

hi
on the uk site reefsuk there is a great video clip showing an rsm with vortech wavemaker ImageShack - Hosting :: p8110030vw3.flv
hope this helps
cheers
drew

Reefmack · 10-13-2008, 09:30 AM

I was looking at the wavemakers yesterday (online), and checking out various types. Unfortunately the one I like the best is the Koralia system, which also seems to be the most expensive. If I understand the Koralia 2 powerhead system the opposing pumps alternate between minimum and maxium flow settings, with the maximum flow adjustable. Also, the standard Koralia powerheads can't be used - the new controllable DC current Koralias are needed. I've read that the standard Koralias are not good with the "on/off" type wavemakers, as it's possible that Koralias can restart with the impeller going in the wrong direction and wear out the motor quickly. The Maxi-Jet powerheads are typically recommended as they aren't adversely affected by the switching on and off quickly. I don't care for the standard Maxi-Jets, due to the flow, and suction cup mounts. You can now get the separate MJ upgrades to increase and broaden the flow pattern, and mag mounts are also available. By the time you purchase the 2 MJ upgrades it adds up to not being so cheap. I was looking at my RSM this morning, and picturing a Koralia or MJ on each side, and that would seem to eat up a lot of tank room. I may try the BigAl07 approach, and mount a Tunze Nanostream 6025 that I've yet to use, on the left, and have it and the Koralia #1 on the right pointed at each other to see what kind of non-linear, erratic flows I can get in the tank. Not quite a genuine wavemaker but it might improve things, and it would be a lot lower cost.

Edit - just did some more research on the Maxi-Jet upgrades to increase the gph and spread out the flow. Too many problems with the MJ upgrades making a lot of noise, etc. and not working well with wavemakers with the upgrade installed. Back to BigAl's method for me.

slakker · 10-13-2008, 01:15 PM

For fun, I put a MJ 400 Mod in to the RSM on the right... way WAY too much flow! I used a Koralia Nano I have kicking around and put a Hydor flo in pump 1. Seems to be doing ok, but definitely still have dead spots.

Reefmack · 10-13-2008, 02:33 PM

Interesting on the MJ400 mod - I guess those kits really do increase the flow as stated!

rmlevasseur · 10-13-2008, 02:40 PM

My Koralias have been on a controller/wavemaker w/o issue. Sometimes a little clanky on startup.

Reefmack · 10-13-2008, 02:59 PM

rmlevasseur - good to know. What wavemaker/controller are you using, and what type of start/stop timing do you have them running at?

Reefmack · 10-14-2008, 07:08 PM

I'm now leaning towards the Vortech MP20 - great reviews with one unit creating flow in all spots of the tank, programmable cycles and flow, and about $100 less than the Koralia wavemaker with 2 #2 DC powerheads. And the flow pattern is very broad - how it reaches all areas of the tank. Plus with the motor on the outside the heat generation isn't in the tank. Now I just need to justify the expense to myself.

10-02-2008, 02:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
slakker Scopas Tang Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 440 View Gallery Karma Komment	Tunze Wavebox? OK... I feel like I'm posting way too much , and it may be a silly question but has anyone used a wave maker type device in the RSM? I know the Tunze may rock the water too much and I saw a picture of a system where a Red Sea wave timer was used, but with only 1 power-head? Basically, I want to minimize the detritus buildup on the rocks. I have to manually do this in my 14G and 8G with a turkey baster. Will be getting a Tunze Nano wavebox for my 72G Main DT, but want to see what innovative ideas are out there for the RSM.

10-02-2008, 09:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 6,156 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Tunze Wavebox? slakker - I very vaguely remember someone putting in some type of wavemaker, but I may be wrong. The RSM may be a bit small for wavemakers, but maybe with small powerheads it may not be a bad idea. You could probably get some intermittent flow in the tank just by mounting 2 powerheads on opposite sides, at a lower cost than a wavemaker. I have a Tunze Nanostream still in the box that I was going to mount on the left side, and point it at my right side Koralia, but it's one of those things I haven't gotten to yet. __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

10-02-2008, 09:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Tunze Wavebox? not a RSM but I have 2 Koralia Nanos and 1 #1 Koralia in my 10g tank pointing directly at each other. Well it's more like... #1 & a Nano on upper left pointing right Nano on right upper pointing left. These opposing currents make a very erratic current IN the tank..... Looks cool and should benefit the coral population. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

10-02-2008, 10:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
Snelly40 Manta Ray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 3,098 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Tunze Wavebox? they do have a smaller wavebox now too __________________ Snelly's 90gal Reef-O-Rama *Member-"Crabs Are Evil" Society*

10-02-2008, 10:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
LaurentSeattle Midas Blenny Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 122 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Tunze Wavebox? My Koralia Hydor Flo's are much cheaper than wave making systems and they are doing a great job at creating everchanging currents.

10-03-2008, 04:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
mrfishy Midas Blenny Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: devon uk Posts: 124 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Tunze Wavebox? hi on the uk site reefsuk there is a great video clip showing an rsm with vortech wavemaker ImageShack - Hosting :: p8110030vw3.flv hope this helps cheers drew

10-13-2008, 09:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 6,156 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Tunze Wavebox? I was looking at the wavemakers yesterday (online), and checking out various types. Unfortunately the one I like the best is the Koralia system, which also seems to be the most expensive. If I understand the Koralia 2 powerhead system the opposing pumps alternate between minimum and maxium flow settings, with the maximum flow adjustable. Also, the standard Koralia powerheads can't be used - the new controllable DC current Koralias are needed. I've read that the standard Koralias are not good with the "on/off" type wavemakers, as it's possible that Koralias can restart with the impeller going in the wrong direction and wear out the motor quickly. The Maxi-Jet powerheads are typically recommended as they aren't adversely affected by the switching on and off quickly. I don't care for the standard Maxi-Jets, due to the flow, and suction cup mounts. You can now get the separate MJ upgrades to increase and broaden the flow pattern, and mag mounts are also available. By the time you purchase the 2 MJ upgrades it adds up to not being so cheap. I was looking at my RSM this morning, and picturing a Koralia or MJ on each side, and that would seem to eat up a lot of tank room. I may try the BigAl07 approach, and mount a Tunze Nanostream 6025 that I've yet to use, on the left, and have it and the Koralia #1 on the right pointed at each other to see what kind of non-linear, erratic flows I can get in the tank. Not quite a genuine wavemaker but it might improve things, and it would be a lot lower cost. Edit - just did some more research on the Maxi-Jet upgrades to increase the gph and spread out the flow. Too many problems with the MJ upgrades making a lot of noise, etc. and not working well with wavemakers with the upgrade installed. Back to BigAl's method for me. __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i] Last edited by Reefmack : 10-13-2008 at 11:43 AM.

10-13-2008, 01:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
slakker Scopas Tang Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 440 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Tunze Wavebox? For fun, I put a MJ 400 Mod in to the RSM on the right... way WAY too much flow! I used a Koralia Nano I have kicking around and put a Hydor flo in pump 1. Seems to be doing ok, but definitely still have dead spots.

10-13-2008, 02:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 6,156 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Tunze Wavebox? Interesting on the MJ400 mod - I guess those kits really do increase the flow as stated! __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

10-13-2008, 02:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
rmlevasseur Acropora Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,849 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Tunze Wavebox? My Koralias have been on a controller/wavemaker w/o issue. Sometimes a little clanky on startup. __________________ Robert http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ufas-tank.html

10-13-2008, 02:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 6,156 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Tunze Wavebox? rmlevasseur - good to know. What wavemaker/controller are you using, and what type of start/stop timing do you have them running at? __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

10-14-2008, 07:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
Reefmack NaClH2O Addicted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 6,156 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Tunze Wavebox? I'm now leaning towards the Vortech MP20 - great reviews with one unit creating flow in all spots of the tank, programmable cycles and flow, and about $100 less than the Koralia wavemaker with 2 #2 DC powerheads. And the flow pattern is very broad - how it reaches all areas of the tank. Plus with the motor on the outside the heat generation isn't in the tank. Now I just need to justify the expense to myself. __________________ aka Terry Excellence in reefkeeping is achieved by mastering the fundamentals, and learning from mistakes. No such thing as an evil crab. Only humans have the ability to be evil. "If you don't like what your fellow forum neighbors are doing, then don't pay so much attention to them" 34g Red Sea Max 130 (April 07), ~50-60 lbs. live rock, Aragonite substrate. Lighting: Current USA Outer Orbit Pro - 150W HQI, 2 x 24W Blue Plus T5 HO Fluorescent by ATI, 2 x 24W Super Actinic T5 HO Fluorescent by UVL, Vortech MP20, LifeReef RSM Siphon, EShopps RS-75 Sump, Euro-Reef custom sump skimmer, Simplicity media reactor, Tunze Osmolator ATO, ReefKeeper Lite L3 controller Reefmack's RSM 130 and...Red Sea Max Owners Club and My JBJ 6G in this thread[/color][/i]

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