OT: The big swap - Page 6

elosusa · 11-17-2007, 04:50 PM

The "boozer" asked me to come over and field the "crystal vs. starphire" question and since freaks like the boozeman keep me working on the weekends, I will do just that

The term, "starphire" or, "crystal" is simply referring to low iron glass. Some in europe call our glass, "extra clear" and our old standard was "clear" and some started calling it, "crystal clear" and then was shortened to, "crystal" and that is how many refer to it now.
Now a little about low iron glass. Most in the US will use "starphire" made by PPG because PPG is an american company. There are a few other reputable companies in the US that make low iron glass but this is the largest company doing this, so in the US most recognize this as being "the" low iron glass. Our tanks are hand made in Italy and PPG has a very small presence in europe so we use another vendor of low iron glass. Now here is the key difference and it is something that boozeman mentioned earlier in this thread. The key is what quality control and what standards the tank builder has when they receive the glass because ALL low iron glass from reputable companies is the same. For us we routinely reject panes of glass for imperfections. For example, I was delayed on one shipment earlier this year because there were a few 1mm bubbles on 2 panes of glass so the ENTIRE truckload of glass was rejected. After that you have to look at experience in making these types of tanks, the design, the polishing, the service, etc. I hope that helps and let me know if you need any other questions.

sasquatch · 11-17-2007, 05:03 PM

Thanks Jesse! I think Robert was hoping to make chandelier crystals out of it when he upgrades lol

boozeman · 11-17-2007, 07:59 PM

thanks for the quick response Jesse

billyr98 · 11-18-2007, 11:53 PM

Tank looks awesome BOOZE!!! Can't wait to see some water in this bad boy!!!
Very interesting on the bottom glass!

lcstorc · 11-19-2007, 09:29 AM

This tank is going to rock. With as much planning and research that has gone into it tells me it will be spectacular.

cheeks69 · 12-12-2007, 10:25 PM

I have seen the Elos tanks and without a doubt worth every penny if you have it...lol
I'm very happy to see that the CS from Elos has come thru and can't wait to see the chronicle, congrats Robert !

slysock · 02-25-2008, 10:23 PM

booze buddy. where are the new and improved photos, where we see live rock and critters inside?

vdituri · 02-26-2008, 01:42 AM

Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you.
More pics, more pics.

Quote:

Originally Posted by slysock

booze buddy. where are the new and improved photos, where we see live rock and critters inside?

boozeman · 02-26-2008, 04:57 AM

The main lighting fixtures will finally be comming in next week, these are the final pieces I was waiting for before I started.
thanks for the

althea2you · 03-03-2008, 12:57 PM

wow... that is one georgous tank!!! you said the doors and the lighting cover was ferrarri red... i saw the doors... saweet! does the red lighting thing come with the lighting next week? eek! i cant wait to see it!

SJS · 03-03-2008, 05:05 PM

Nice tank, can't wait to see more!!!

Dentoid · 03-03-2008, 06:00 PM

Holy Toledo Booze, how did I miss this thread!? All this time and this is the first time I have seen it. Why is this under OT? Well anyway, that is one sweet set-up. I like the etched Elos swoosh, but a Superman emblem would have been better!

I never thought to look in OT for your chronicle!

Frankie · 03-03-2008, 08:19 PM

I thought OT was where all the big wigs hang out Doc?

lcstorc · 03-03-2008, 08:23 PM

It's in OT till he gets some WATER in it.

boozeman · 03-03-2008, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dentoid

Holy Toledo Booze, how did I miss this thread!? All this time and this is the first time I have seen it.

you probably missed my equipment selection thread as it is intermingled with pics of my kids

OT: A new addition

11-17-2007, 04:50 PM	#76 (permalink)
elosusa Tunicate Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 14 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: OT: The big swap The "boozer" asked me to come over and field the "crystal vs. starphire" question and since freaks like the boozeman keep me working on the weekends, I will do just that The term, "starphire" or, "crystal" is simply referring to low iron glass. Some in europe call our glass, "extra clear" and our old standard was "clear" and some started calling it, "crystal clear" and then was shortened to, "crystal" and that is how many refer to it now. Now a little about low iron glass. Most in the US will use "starphire" made by PPG because PPG is an american company. There are a few other reputable companies in the US that make low iron glass but this is the largest company doing this, so in the US most recognize this as being "the" low iron glass. Our tanks are hand made in Italy and PPG has a very small presence in europe so we use another vendor of low iron glass. Now here is the key difference and it is something that boozeman mentioned earlier in this thread. The key is what quality control and what standards the tank builder has when they receive the glass because ALL low iron glass from reputable companies is the same. For us we routinely reject panes of glass for imperfections. For example, I was delayed on one shipment earlier this year because there were a few 1mm bubbles on 2 panes of glass so the ENTIRE truckload of glass was rejected. After that you have to look at experience in making these types of tanks, the design, the polishing, the service, etc. I hope that helps and let me know if you need any other questions. __________________ Jesse info@elosusa.com http://www.elosusa.com office 925-600-8020 Last edited by elosusa : 11-17-2007 at 07:33 PM.

11-17-2007, 05:03 PM	#77 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,917 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: OT: The big swap Thanks Jesse! I think Robert was hoping to make chandelier crystals out of it when he upgrades lol

11-17-2007, 07:59 PM	#78 (permalink)
boozeman The CodFather ~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: new york Posts: 8,800 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: OT: The big swap thanks for the quick response Jesse __________________ ...and when I'm old and wise little things mean little to me like autumn winds they'll blow right through me and someday, in the mist of time when they ask you if you knew me remember that you were a friend of mine

11-18-2007, 11:53 PM	#79 (permalink)
billyr98 Reefing Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 5,400 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: OT: The big swap Tank looks awesome BOOZE!!! Can't wait to see some water in this bad boy!!! Very interesting on the bottom glass! __________________ Billyr98 -=NJRC Treasurer=- My 450g Reef Tank ~~~ Its HERE!!!

11-19-2007, 09:29 AM	#80 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 21,727 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: OT: The big swap This tank is going to rock. With as much planning and research that has gone into it tells me it will be spectacular. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back.

12-12-2007, 10:25 PM	#81 (permalink)
cheeks69 Wannabe Guru Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,000 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: OT: The big swap I have seen the Elos tanks and without a doubt worth every penny if you have it...lol I'm very happy to see that the CS from Elos has come thru and can't wait to see the chronicle, congrats Robert ! __________________ Robert My Cube “A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” Albert Einstein

02-25-2008, 10:23 PM	#82 (permalink)
slysock Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: calistoga Posts: 297 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: OT: The big swap booze buddy. where are the new and improved photos, where we see live rock and critters inside?

02-26-2008, 04:57 AM	#84 (permalink)
boozeman The CodFather ~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: new york Posts: 8,800 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: OT: The big swap The main lighting fixtures will finally be comming in next week, these are the final pieces I was waiting for before I started. thanks for the __________________ ...and when I'm old and wise little things mean little to me like autumn winds they'll blow right through me and someday, in the mist of time when they ask you if you knew me remember that you were a friend of mine

03-03-2008, 12:57 PM	#85 (permalink)
althea2you Padawan Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,464 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: OT: The big swap wow... that is one georgous tank!!! you said the doors and the lighting cover was ferrarri red... i saw the doors... saweet! does the red lighting thing come with the lighting next week? eek! i cant wait to see it! __________________ ~Sarah~ How people treat you is their karma; how you react is yours. ~Wayne Dyer 28g Nano The 90 Gallon

03-03-2008, 05:05 PM	#86 (permalink)
SJS Achilles Tang Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: SO CAL - Rancho Cucamonga Posts: 846 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: OT: The big swap Nice tank, can't wait to see more!!! __________________ Steph 300 gallon dt, 90 gallon fuge, 35 gallon fuge, 35 gallon sump, 4 Ecotech Vortechs, T-5 lights

03-03-2008, 06:00 PM	#87 (permalink)
Dentoid Over Achiever Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 10,597 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: OT: The big swap Holy Toledo Booze, how did I miss this thread!? All this time and this is the first time I have seen it. Why is this under OT? Well anyway, that is one sweet set-up. I like the etched Elos swoosh, but a Superman emblem would have been better! I never thought to look in OT for your chronicle! __________________ Scott Dentoid's Reeforama

03-03-2008, 08:23 PM	#89 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 21,727 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: OT: The big swap It's in OT till he gets some WATER in it. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back.

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