what is your favorite web browser?

[chipmunkofdoom2]

Most of the Apple software doesn't run very well on my XP computer. I did have the X86 version of OS X on my Acer laptop for a while and Safari ran pretty well on there.

I had the IE8 beta installed on XP and it actually caused a few programs I had to crash, so I uninstalled it. On the IE8 note, anyone try the Windows 7 prebeta?

[Mya]

Chip, you just sent most of us into a OS meltdown.

[BigAl07]

LOL! Mya hang in there.... it's not that bad dear

Chip I quit doing the "Leg-Work" for Uncle Bill several years ago. He puts out more "Beta-Junk" than you can shake a stick at. I think it cuts costs by letting users find all the bugs & break it instead of doing the work in the lab. I'm ALL for Beta testing but MS pushes (and crosses) the standards on true BETA more than any other company.

[sambrinar]

One that works!!

Some of my internet links wont work with FF like Quickbooks online,,, and ummm that is kinda important!! So I use explorer, whatever one is loaded. Works fine

[BigAl07]

Originally Posted by sambrinar

One that works!!

Some of my internet links wont work with FF like Quickbooks online,,, and ummm that is kinda important!! So I use explorer, whatever one is loaded. Works fine

That's because IE let's you be lazy and sloppy when writing your code

Ever notice how some pages wont print correctly with IE? Yeah classic example

[motocrosstcw]

8 beta is the crap now adays i fell in love with it if not that i would go ff there a really nice web company

[sambrinar]

Originally Posted by BigAl07

That's because IE let's you be lazy and sloppy when writing your code

Ever notice how some pages wont print correctly with IE? Yeah classic example

Al I have no idea what you are talking about (code)... LOL!! I am lucky I can turn the computer on and find what I am looking for. Never noticed bad printing of pages.

[BigAl07]

Brenda some pages you go to if you hit "Print" it will only print about 75% of the page and just CUT the right hand side off. It's not on every page but on the ones that are written "sloppy". Usually if you do "Print Preview" (Under the FILE menu) you'll see how much IE is cutting off.

[thearnley]

FIREFOX RULES!

I was always a IE user until a year ago when I switched to mac. Now I'm a militant mac user and I'll NEVER go back to Windows! It's SO nice to have a computer that actually works! Doesn't crash several times a day, don't have to update my virus software twice a day and.... oh I've got 2 apps running - CRASH! However, I don't care for Apple's Safari. FireFox is much better!

[chipmunkofdoom2]

Originally Posted by BigAl07

Chip I quit doing the "Leg-Work" for Uncle Bill several years ago. He puts out more "Beta-Junk" than you can shake a stick at. I think it cuts costs by letting users find all the bugs & break it instead of doing the work in the lab. I'm ALL for Beta testing but MS pushes (and crosses) the standards on true BETA more than any other company.

Haha, I didn't mean to start any wars.. I was just stating a simple fact. I have problems with Apple software on my XP computer. That doesn't mean I hate Apple or Steve Jobs, I just have problems with Apple software running on my computer. Let me give you a little background about myself. I'm probably the most apathetic person on the face of this planet. The only things I really care about are my aquarium and my motorcycle. Being so apathetic, I'm not extremely passionate about anything and I can't stand people who are fanatics (like hardcore Microsoft or Apple zealots). I don't officially do beta testing for MS, but I just happened to stumble upon a copy of Windows 7 prebeta somewhere along my travels online

Even then, I'm not super excited about it.. it was interesting to look at. Another useful bit of info about myself is that I game entirely on my PC. I have no Xbox 360, PS3 or even PS2 for that matter. PC gaming might be a luxury for some, but it's a necessity for me. Really if you're looking for the most cost effective, headache-free path to do that, Windows is the only way to go. Especially since my college distributed free COAs of XP and Vista to all the CS majors, I didn't even pay for it.

All the Linux users out there will probably chime in now and say "But chipmunk, you can game on Linux too! What about Wine??!". Actually, that's not entirely accurate. If you're proficient with Linux, YOU can game on it because YOU know your way around. I however do not. What is more efficient for me, using XP, which takes about an hour to install and then I can throw any game on there I want? Or installing Linux, trying to get all my drivers and Wine installed (difficult if you're not at home in the "bash"), trying to troubleshoot any games that won't run (almost impossible if you're not proficient in command line), and then finally when I get it working playing it on an emulated environment, which will never run as efficiently as playing on the environment being emulated? They're both free for me, so I'm sticking with XP.

All the Mac users will probably now chime in and say "Chipmunk, you poor soul, don't you realize you can game ON A MAC??!?!". Yes, I do. Don't you realize that Macs are ridiculously expensive? I built my own computer back in 03 for only $300, and ever since then, I've never nor will I ever (besides a laptop) buy a prefabed PC. Ever. Casual PC users really don't understand how cheap PC parts are.

Most people who have a problem with Windows are the people who go out and buy a PC from Dell or another major manufacturer that comes with all the "crap" preinstalled. Stuff like "Try AOL Free!" or Dell's stupid solutions desk that runs in the tray and gobbles up memory like that's its job. All those extra apps eat resources and down the line can cause problems. This is not Microsoft's fault.

Really one of the big parts of this "issue" (and I call it that since every day I'm going to school for computers and it's on my mind a lot) is that nobody realizes that a computer is just a tool, no more, no less. Would you go out to a hardware store and buy a socket wrench and a hammer and argue which one is better? Of course not. They're different tools to do different jobs. Now a days, that analogy isn't quite as accurate because you can do a lot of different things with all types of OSes, but still, you get the idea. I'm not arguing supremacy of any OS because I don't have enough experience with any of them to do that, even XP which I have been using since the beginning of my computing days.

I'm just saying a computer is a computer. Don't get offended that I don't use what you use or like what you like. Many MS users hate on other OSes, but I don't. So please, don't try to suck me into your supremacy war that you people seem so intent on carrying on... I don't care enough to participate.

[Dentoid]

Originally Posted by chipmunkofdoom2

Haha, I didn't mean to start any wars.. I was just stating a simple fact. I have problems with Apple software on my XP computer. That doesn't mean I hate Apple or Steve Jobs, I just have problems with Apple software running on my computer. Let me give you a little background about myself. I'm probably the most apathetic person on the face of this planet. The only things I really care about are my aquarium and my motorcycle. Being so apathetic, I'm not extremely passionate about anything and I can't stand people who are fanatics (like hardcore Microsoft or Apple zealots). I don't officially do beta testing for MS, but I just happened to stumble upon a copy of Windows 7 prebeta somewhere along my travels online

Even then, I'm not super excited about it.. it was interesting to look at. Another useful bit of info about myself is that I game entirely on my PC. I have no Xbox 360, PS3 or even PS2 for that matter. PC gaming might be a luxury for some, but it's a necessity for me. Really if you're looking for the most cost effective, headache-free path to do that, Windows is the only way to go. Especially since my college distributed free COAs of XP and Vista to all the CS majors, I didn't even pay for it.

All the Linux users out there will probably chime in now and say "But chipmunk, you can game on Linux too! What about Wine??!". Actually, that's not entirely accurate. If you're proficient with Linux, YOU can game on it because YOU know your way around. I however do not. What is more efficient for me, using XP, which takes about an hour to install and then I can throw any game on there I want? Or installing Linux, trying to get all my drivers and Wine installed (difficult if you're not at home in the "bash"), trying to troubleshoot any games that won't run (almost impossible if you're not proficient in command line), and then finally when I get it working playing it on an emulated environment, which will never run as efficiently as playing on the environment being emulated? They're both free for me, so I'm sticking with XP.

All the Mac users will probably now chime in and say "Chipmunk, you poor soul, don't you realize you can game ON A MAC??!?!". Yes, I do. Don't you realize that Macs are ridiculously expensive? I built my own computer back in 03 for only $300, and ever since then, I've never nor will I ever (besides a laptop) buy a prefabed PC. Ever. Casual PC users really don't understand how cheap PC parts are.

Most people who have a problem with Windows are the people who go out and buy a PC from Dell or another major manufacturer that comes with all the "crap" preinstalled. Stuff like "Try AOL Free!" or Dell's stupid solutions desk that runs in the tray and gobbles up memory like that's its job. All those extra apps eat resources and down the line can cause problems. This is not Microsoft's fault.

Really one of the big parts of this "issue" (and I call it that since every day I'm going to school for computers and it's on my mind a lot) is that nobody realizes that a computer is just a tool, no more, no less. Would you go out to a hardware store and buy a socket wrench and a hammer and argue which one is better? Of course not. They're different tools to do different jobs. Now a days, that analogy isn't quite as accurate because you can do a lot of different things with all types of OSes, but still, you get the idea. I'm not arguing supremacy of any OS because I don't have enough experience with any of them to do that, even XP which I have been using since the beginning of my computing days.

I'm just saying a computer is a computer. Don't get offended that I don't use what you use or like what you like. Many MS users hate on other OSes, but I don't. So please, don't try to suck me into your supremacy war that you people seem so intent on carrying on... I don't care enough to participate.

I see a whole lot of passion here!

[sambrinar]

Originally Posted by BigAl07

Brenda some pages you go to if you hit "Print" it will only print about 75% of the page and just CUT the right hand side off. It's not on every page but on the ones that are written "sloppy". Usually if you do "Print Preview" (Under the FILE menu) you'll see how much IE is cutting off.

Ohhh, now that I have seen. gotcha

[chipmunkofdoom2]

Originally Posted by Dentoid

I see a whole lot of passion here!

You know what I meant. I'm fairly proficient at writing and it comes easily.

[BigAl07]

Originally Posted by Dentoid

I see a whole lot of passion here!

X2



Chipmunk I have a feeling that part of your thoughts and ideas will change once you get out there in the Industry and have to work on the system and try to help users who ALWAYS go places.. do things.... "Tweak" things etc that just drive you crazy. I have to say... I've got a day or two of IT under my belt (I started writing code by hand well before there WAS a Windows or anything "Cool" like that). I've written in many of the major (and some not so major) languages and can honestly say "Been there done that". From what we're currently offered I'll say I'm XP all the way. It works for how I work and what I do. It works well for both of my companies (that's plural) and it works well. We've done Vista (makes me sick to re-call THAT fiasco) and we'll try another when the time is right.

As for "pre-fabbed" that too you may change your mind on when you have to buy/build 30 at a time. You don't have to get the "Crap-ware" preloaded and if you DO there's a sweet lil program you can run that takes care of 95% of that in less than 5 minutes. Time will tell

For now this is about the Browser of choice and for me and my companies it's FireFox 3 (at least for today).

[chipmunkofdoom2]

*sigh*. Well I guess next time I know to keep my mouth shut unless I have an opinion and a full tank of ignorance to share.