Inclinations of a no-filter media system. - Page 4

Cougra · 10-07-2005, 03:59 PM

Thanks EagleEyes. I was really into them when they were really popular and still have a lot of the varieties. Unfortunately the available selection is becoming less varried now. I have found that most of them are extremely hardy. the only ones I haven't been able to keep going are the apple green ones. Of course they were really really tiny when I got them so it could have been too much change for the tiny polyps.

EagleEyes · 10-07-2005, 05:30 PM

Well they are a favorite of mine too, but i havent gotten to the point of keeping them yet. Ill be there soon i have a feeling.

EagleEyes · 10-12-2005, 02:06 PM

just wanted to let everyone know, the protien skimmer should be here by friday. Ill let you know how it goes

Craig Manoukian · 10-12-2005, 05:16 PM

Post pics when your skimmer arrives!

EagleEyes · 10-13-2005, 01:54 PM

lol and when i get the laptop! ( im posting at the university and i dont think they'ed like the extra software for my camera) But yes of course i was hoping to do that first thing.

ldrhawke · 10-13-2005, 03:49 PM

To again quote Engs method, "Lee Chin Eng, initiated many of the concepts and techniques that are fundamental to successful reefkeeping. Mr. Eng lived near the ocean in Indonesia and used many of the materials that were readily available to him from this source. "Living stones," which have come to be known as live rock, were used in his systems as the main source of biological filtration. He also used natural seawater and changed it on a regular basis."

If you live near the sea and have unlimited natural sea water available to do regular water changes you can keep even the most unbalance reef system designed balanced. You can even keep a lot of fish alive in a 5 gallon bucket doing enough water changes.

Keeping nitrogen exported with live rock and only a small bioload is easy, it's the phosphates and other waste that slowly build, and nutrients that are slowly depleted, that can lead to sudden failure.

I use to believe keeping a reef system would be easy by do exactly what you stated, using a very simple natural approach.

My thinking now is, "why would I build a compost system inside my home to process waste if I can simply flush the toilet?"........

EagleEyes · 10-13-2005, 06:57 PM

Thank you very much Hawke, Youre a very usefull contributor to this online reef community. You know what im talking about. BUT, let me tell you... composting systems are sooo much more fun!

EagleEyes · 10-13-2005, 06:59 PM

Ohh and by the way, the skimmer came today! lol same day i posted about it.

RanRoc · 10-13-2005, 07:33 PM

I think you should go for it and document your experience, being mindful of the lives of the tank inhabitants, of course. I remember reading something that Bob Fenner wrote a while back (perhaps in his book) about a tank in Asia (perhaps Mr. Eng's tank) that used only natural sunlight and water changes. I believe it could be done if you can grasp the bio-chemical aspect of nature, and be willing to committed to the process. Good luck.
-RY

ldrhawke · 10-13-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleEyes

Thank you very much Hawke, Youre a very usefull contributor to this online reef community. You know what im talking about. BUT, let me tell you... composting systems are sooo much more fun!

Don't get me wrong, I'm the last person you will hear speakout against composting as the CEO of this company. My Company

Yes, composting can be fun....and profitable.

EagleEyes · 10-13-2005, 11:19 PM

So your company does commercial composting or is that for the home? Because my family is in the same business.. (but they make a tool for the home) Oh and i am actually a bigger believer in mechanical waste removal now that i have this protien skimmer. so you and me both bruduh!

EagleEyes · 10-21-2005, 01:57 PM

oh hey never mind. wow thats really awesome, so you'll have a separate trash can out on peoples curbs with organic kitchen waste and brush? THats really really cool.http://lotechproducts.com/ This is my family's business.

Witfull · 10-21-2005, 02:45 PM

we have a natural diversity composting system here,,,throw the left over greens and stuff out back and the bunnies and squirrels and deer and turkeys and racoons and chipmunks and everything else comes to the picnic~~

ldrhawke · 10-21-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Witfull

we have a natural diversity composting system here,,,throw the left over greens and stuff out back and the bunnies and squirrels and deer and turkeys and racoons and chipmunks and everything else comes to the picnic~~

South Jersy......don't leave out the rats......

EagleEyes · 10-21-2005, 04:13 PM

lol (actually not a bad idea, commercially speaking even if you have chickens, you get two or three things out of the relationship.)

10-07-2005, 03:59 PM	#46 (permalink)
Cougra Dragon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 2,216 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Inclinations of a no-filter media system. Thanks EagleEyes. I was really into them when they were really popular and still have a lot of the varieties. Unfortunately the available selection is becoming less varried now. I have found that most of them are extremely hardy. the only ones I haven't been able to keep going are the apple green ones. Of course they were really really tiny when I got them so it could have been too much change for the tiny polyps. __________________ Michelle Just because something CAN be done, it doesn't mean that it SHOULD be done!

10-07-2005, 05:30 PM	#47 (permalink)
EagleEyes Limpet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tucson Posts: 147 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Inclinations of a no-filter media system. Well they are a favorite of mine too, but i havent gotten to the point of keeping them yet. Ill be there soon i have a feeling.

10-12-2005, 02:06 PM	#48 (permalink)
EagleEyes Limpet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tucson Posts: 147 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Inclinations of a no-filter media system. just wanted to let everyone know, the protien skimmer should be here by friday. Ill let you know how it goes

10-12-2005, 05:16 PM	#49 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 15,732 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Inclinations of a no-filter media system. Post pics when your skimmer arrives! __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

10-13-2005, 01:54 PM	#50 (permalink)
EagleEyes Limpet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tucson Posts: 147 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Inclinations of a no-filter media system. lol and when i get the laptop! ( im posting at the university and i dont think they'ed like the extra software for my camera) But yes of course i was hoping to do that first thing.

10-13-2005, 03:49 PM	#51 (permalink)
ldrhawke Tubeworm Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Saint Augustine Posts: 29 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Inclinations of a no-filter media system. To again quote Engs method, "Lee Chin Eng, initiated many of the concepts and techniques that are fundamental to successful reefkeeping. Mr. Eng lived near the ocean in Indonesia and used many of the materials that were readily available to him from this source. "Living stones," which have come to be known as live rock, were used in his systems as the main source of biological filtration. He also used natural seawater and changed it on a regular basis." If you live near the sea and have unlimited natural sea water available to do regular water changes you can keep even the most unbalance reef system designed balanced. You can even keep a lot of fish alive in a 5 gallon bucket doing enough water changes. Keeping nitrogen exported with live rock and only a small bioload is easy, it's the phosphates and other waste that slowly build, and nutrients that are slowly depleted, that can lead to sudden failure. I use to believe keeping a reef system would be easy by do exactly what you stated, using a very simple natural approach. My thinking now is, "why would I build a compost system inside my home to process waste if I can simply flush the toilet?"........ __________________ LDRHawke Hawke's Reef Last edited by ldrhawke : 10-13-2005 at 09:13 PM.

10-13-2005, 06:57 PM	#52 (permalink)
EagleEyes Limpet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tucson Posts: 147 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Inclinations of a no-filter media system. Thank you very much Hawke, Youre a very usefull contributor to this online reef community. You know what im talking about. BUT, let me tell you... composting systems are sooo much more fun!

10-13-2005, 06:59 PM	#53 (permalink)
EagleEyes Limpet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tucson Posts: 147 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Inclinations of a no-filter media system. Ohh and by the way, the skimmer came today! lol same day i posted about it.

10-13-2005, 07:33 PM	#54 (permalink)
RanRoc Scopas Tang Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Central Florida: GO KNIGHTS!!! Posts: 443 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Inclinations of a no-filter media system. I think you should go for it and document your experience, being mindful of the lives of the tank inhabitants, of course. I remember reading something that Bob Fenner wrote a while back (perhaps in his book) about a tank in Asia (perhaps Mr. Eng's tank) that used only natural sunlight and water changes. I believe it could be done if you can grasp the bio-chemical aspect of nature, and be willing to committed to the process. Good luck. -RY __________________ My Disclaimer for any Advice I Give: I Could Be Wrong... Randy's Rockin' Reef MANGROVE ROOT GANG

10-13-2005, 11:19 PM	#56 (permalink)
EagleEyes Limpet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tucson Posts: 147 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Inclinations of a no-filter media system. So your company does commercial composting or is that for the home? Because my family is in the same business.. (but they make a tool for the home) Oh and i am actually a bigger believer in mechanical waste removal now that i have this protien skimmer. so you and me both bruduh!

10-21-2005, 01:57 PM	#57 (permalink)
EagleEyes Limpet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tucson Posts: 147 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Inclinations of a no-filter media system. oh hey never mind. wow thats really awesome, so you'll have a separate trash can out on peoples curbs with organic kitchen waste and brush? THats really really cool.http://lotechproducts.com/ This is my family's business.

10-21-2005, 04:13 PM	#60 (permalink)
EagleEyes Limpet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tucson Posts: 147 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Inclinations of a no-filter media system. lol (actually not a bad idea, commercially speaking even if you have chickens, you get two or three things out of the relationship.)

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