Coral Feeding - Page 2

mojoreef · 11-25-2003, 03:03 PM

Ok want to try something Goofy?????...lol
get a little bit of fresh salmon and a little bit of prawn meat. Blend them down to a finer mush, add a little selcon if ya got it. Freeze the mix. Now every other day target feed the catspaw a little bit of this mix for a couple of weeks and lets take a peek.
I have been toying with this for years when it comes to LPS. Salmon/prawn/selcom have alot of protien and amino acids in them. The color pigments of corals are and are driven by protiens and aminos. Remember I am not talking about Zoox but the pigments in the corals tissue.
Give it a shot, my frogs paw (which is about the size of a basketball and glows in the dark) seems to have really reacted well to this food and protien source, lets see if it does anything to yours.

Mike

Scooterman · 11-25-2003, 03:29 PM

I didn't include the seafood mush I feed the tank but I was thinking directly at the paw! It is about the size of a cantaloupe. I'll give it a try, can't loose! I guess I just let the mush blow onto it?

Scooterman · 11-25-2003, 03:30 PM

I'm going to get color back into that thing, even if I have to spray paint it!

Curtswearing · 11-25-2003, 03:52 PM

I always used purchased products to feed my corals. Then in spite of that, I lost a beautiful meat coral. Man was I ticked.

That's when I started doing some more research on feeding corals and started making some of my own food. I remain convinced that if I had used some fresh seafood in my food, I would still have that meat coral.

I have never tried salmon but will likely try that soon. Thanks for the great info.

mojoreef · 11-25-2003, 04:42 PM

yea seafood product can be very good, they contain most of the acids, protiens and so on that all critter need. But as with everything you have to becare and make sure you use the right stuff. An example would be clams, oysters and other bivalves. Although they have most of the protien requirements they also have ahabit of containing alot of nasties that most others dont.

Mike

mojoreef · 11-25-2003, 06:56 PM

Just make sure te particle are super fine and not very much at all,you are trying to have some tiny microscopic particles land it in mucus web, you might want to move it up a touch in the light column.

Mike

Curtswearing · 11-25-2003, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scooterman
I'm going to get color back into that thing, even if I have to spray paint it!

Inland Reef is currently doing a study on the best spray paint for corals. I would wait to see how that shapes up.

mredman · 11-25-2003, 08:06 PM

I like oysters in my "witches brew" - they help provide anti-vibrio resistance (according to Borneman).

My formula also is part of the success to keeping dendronepthyas.

Mike

mojoreef · 11-25-2003, 08:48 PM

hey Mike the reason I said no on the oysters and clams is that they also contain large quantities of heavy metals, also copper. Clams contain 6.1 ppm of copper and oysters 2.9

Mike

Maxx · 11-29-2003, 12:56 PM

Quote:

My formula also is part of the success to keeping dendronepthyas.

What else do you consider part of your success w/ Dendro corals??
How often are you feeding them? Where are they located in the water column and how much current are they getting?
Thank you,
Nick

mredman · 11-29-2003, 04:58 PM

The dendronepthyas are located almost 50 inches south of the MH/VHO lighting. The tank itself is 42 inches deep. I feed the dendros twice a day - the first feeding is whatever they get that the fish don't consume. The second feeding is selective feeding with a turkey baster. I alternate with my witches brew and cyclop-eeze. The current is moderate in this area because they are somewhat inset between live rock. The area on the bottom is also filtered to some degree because the acrylic brace on the top of the aquarium is directly over the dendros. Mine are a pinkish-orange color.

MIke

mredman · 11-29-2003, 05:00 PM

Attached is a picture of the original specimen, taken by travis in September.

I also have 10 or more "babies", some which are more than one inch tall.

Mike

mredman · 11-29-2003, 05:05 PM

Mojoreef, all clams (and other invertebrates) absorb transitional metals such as copper and zinc and upon examination, have significant higher loads than surrounding sea water. This biological condition is the reason why invertebrates can be killed by high loads of metals like copper. These creatures are too efficient removing these ions from the water. In addition, all animals need copper, zinc, lead, etc.......just not in toxic quantities.

Mike

mojoreef · 11-29-2003, 05:38 PM

I hear ya Mredman and agree. All I was tying to reference was that clams/oysters have like a 1000% more copper then say fish or shrimp. yet contain the same ammount in regards to protiens and so on. Using it as an everyday addition to your reef could add up pretty quick an total copper and such added to the system.

As long as floks know this they can figue if it is worth it to them or not

MIke

mredman · 11-29-2003, 05:48 PM

Good point Mojoreef! I use the oysters quite sparingly in my formula. The principal ingredient is shrimp, followed by fish. Eric Borneman states that the anti-vibrio properties of oysters makes it a worthwhile agreement. As we all know, we are dealing with an inexact science. I also used squid one time and nearly broke the blender!

Mike

11-25-2003, 03:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
mojoreef Just a reefer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,176 View Gallery Karma Komment	Ok want to try something Goofy?????...lol get a little bit of fresh salmon and a little bit of prawn meat. Blend them down to a finer mush, add a little selcon if ya got it. Freeze the mix. Now every other day target feed the catspaw a little bit of this mix for a couple of weeks and lets take a peek. I have been toying with this for years when it comes to LPS. Salmon/prawn/selcom have alot of protien and amino acids in them. The color pigments of corals are and are driven by protiens and aminos. Remember I am not talking about Zoox but the pigments in the corals tissue. Give it a shot, my frogs paw (which is about the size of a basketball and glows in the dark) seems to have really reacted well to this food and protien source, lets see if it does anything to yours. Mike __________________ Make sure you check out The Fish Gallery The Coral Gallery The Equipment Gallery

11-25-2003, 03:29 PM	#17 (permalink)
Scooterman Elegance coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana Posts: 1,231 View Gallery Karma Komment	I didn't include the seafood mush I feed the tank but I was thinking directly at the paw! It is about the size of a cantaloupe. I'll give it a try, can't loose! I guess I just let the mush blow onto it? __________________ Scott Ardoin (Ard-Dwan)

11-25-2003, 03:30 PM	#18 (permalink)
Scooterman Elegance coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana Posts: 1,231 View Gallery Karma Komment	I'm going to get color back into that thing, even if I have to spray paint it! __________________ Scott Ardoin (Ard-Dwan)

11-25-2003, 03:52 PM	#19 (permalink)
Curtswearing Golden Moray Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,596 View Gallery Karma Komment	I always used purchased products to feed my corals. Then in spite of that, I lost a beautiful meat coral. Man was I ticked. That's when I started doing some more research on feeding corals and started making some of my own food. I remain convinced that if I had used some fresh seafood in my food, I would still have that meat coral. I have never tried salmon but will likely try that soon. Thanks for the great info. __________________ In memory of Fluffy, please pause before hitting enter---being nice is free. Click for ReefKeeping FAQ'S Click for Product Reviews Click for Photo ID Gallery http://curtcpapfs.com/downloads/1Curt.jpg

11-25-2003, 04:42 PM	#20 (permalink)
mojoreef Just a reefer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,176 View Gallery Karma Komment	yea seafood product can be very good, they contain most of the acids, protiens and so on that all critter need. But as with everything you have to becare and make sure you use the right stuff. An example would be clams, oysters and other bivalves. Although they have most of the protien requirements they also have ahabit of containing alot of nasties that most others dont. Mike __________________ Make sure you check out The Fish Gallery The Coral Gallery The Equipment Gallery

11-25-2003, 06:56 PM	#21 (permalink)
mojoreef Just a reefer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,176 View Gallery Karma Komment	Just make sure te particle are super fine and not very much at all,you are trying to have some tiny microscopic particles land it in mucus web, you might want to move it up a touch in the light column. Mike __________________ Make sure you check out The Fish Gallery The Coral Gallery The Equipment Gallery

11-25-2003, 08:06 PM	#23 (permalink)
mredman Limpet Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 149 View Gallery Karma Komment	I like oysters in my "witches brew" - they help provide anti-vibrio resistance (according to Borneman). My formula also is part of the success to keeping dendronepthyas. Mike

11-25-2003, 08:48 PM	#24 (permalink)
mojoreef Just a reefer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,176 View Gallery Karma Komment	hey Mike the reason I said no on the oysters and clams is that they also contain large quantities of heavy metals, also copper. Clams contain 6.1 ppm of copper and oysters 2.9 Mike __________________ Make sure you check out The Fish Gallery The Coral Gallery The Equipment Gallery

11-29-2003, 04:58 PM	#26 (permalink)
mredman Limpet Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 149 View Gallery Karma Komment	The dendronepthyas are located almost 50 inches south of the MH/VHO lighting. The tank itself is 42 inches deep. I feed the dendros twice a day - the first feeding is whatever they get that the fish don't consume. The second feeding is selective feeding with a turkey baster. I alternate with my witches brew and cyclop-eeze. The current is moderate in this area because they are somewhat inset between live rock. The area on the bottom is also filtered to some degree because the acrylic brace on the top of the aquarium is directly over the dendros. Mine are a pinkish-orange color. MIke

11-29-2003, 05:05 PM	#28 (permalink)
mredman Limpet Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 149 View Gallery Karma Komment	Mojoreef, all clams (and other invertebrates) absorb transitional metals such as copper and zinc and upon examination, have significant higher loads than surrounding sea water. This biological condition is the reason why invertebrates can be killed by high loads of metals like copper. These creatures are too efficient removing these ions from the water. In addition, all animals need copper, zinc, lead, etc.......just not in toxic quantities. Mike

11-29-2003, 05:38 PM	#29 (permalink)
mojoreef Just a reefer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,176 View Gallery Karma Komment	I hear ya Mredman and agree. All I was tying to reference was that clams/oysters have like a 1000% more copper then say fish or shrimp. yet contain the same ammount in regards to protiens and so on. Using it as an everyday addition to your reef could add up pretty quick an total copper and such added to the system. As long as floks know this they can figue if it is worth it to them or not MIke __________________ Make sure you check out The Fish Gallery The Coral Gallery The Equipment Gallery

11-29-2003, 05:48 PM	#30 (permalink)
mredman Limpet Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 149 View Gallery Karma Komment	Good point Mojoreef! I use the oysters quite sparingly in my formula. The principal ingredient is shrimp, followed by fish. Eric Borneman states that the anti-vibrio properties of oysters makes it a worthwhile agreement. As we all know, we are dealing with an inexact science. I also used squid one time and nearly broke the blender! Mike

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