33l reef

tommyp · 03-15-2004, 10:53 AM

Hi all,

I have been kicking around the idea of downsizing into a 33L.

So far I am thinking I am going to drill the bottom and install an overflow with 3/4" drain. I am also going to drill the back center for a closed loop. I figure I will run all of my plumbing over the back instead of drilling returns. I was going to run a large sump to bring my total water volume to aleast 60 gallons. I was thinking about running a mag3 from the sump and possibly a mag3 again on the CL I want about 15-20x flow for a stoney tank. I have heard that mags shouldn't be run external. is there a good external cl small pump? I heard the quiet ones aren't that quiet. I like the eheims but they are super pricey.

Do you have recommendations for flow on this tank? I was figuring 500 gph would be good. but could go more. I do have some lps that like lower flow.

thanks

tom

Witfull · 03-15-2004, 12:02 PM

33's are a 55g with the top cut off. 55's are skinny - 33's, skinny and short, not alot of room to work with and limits room for vertical growth.

JMHO and this will give you a

tankgirl · 03-15-2004, 12:03 PM

Hi Tom,
I run my mags dry-mounted. Have heard that same info, but have never had any problems running mine dry.

wooddood · 03-15-2004, 12:47 PM

you can run mag drive pumps external im running a mag 7 on a closed loop now and it's running fine.i also heard the same thing that you can't run them external and someone on this board talked to danner mfg and they said it was ok.i think it might have been troy [pro_builder].im looking at my mag 7 box right now and it says [quote] completely submersible,use in or out of water.hth.there website is www.pondmaster.com

tommyp · 03-15-2004, 02:04 PM

Thanks all. I guess I will run two mags then. The circulation is going to be the hardest part of this tank.

Wit, yeah i know what I am getting into. It is a long squat and oh so not deep tank. I look at it as a challenge. I might hate it, I might love it. We'll see. It is the challenge of the nano.

I really love the look of a 20 long reef. So i figured I would do a 20 long but a just little longer. With the stuff from my 65 I should have it packed! all the more fun.

Thanks

tom

semigodd154 · 03-15-2004, 02:34 PM

I did like the idea of a 33l but it was like pulling teeth from a chicken to get one here so i set up a 30breeder the fact that it is a foot shorter in length is made up for in the 18inch front to back space it makes a really nice bare bottom tank as long as you have a sump I have a leather in there that is about 10 inches tall and 8-10 across but they do look nice and are easy to aquascape HTH.

Pro_builder · 03-15-2004, 03:11 PM

I run a Mag 12 external, and have called Danner on the info of not being able to. They said quote "There is no reason that you can't run a Mag pump external, it is printed right on the box."
HTH

tommyp · 03-15-2004, 06:01 PM

Cool so I'll go mag external!

Semi-I have a 65aga right now that is the same demensions as the 30 I agree it is a great sized footprint.

I might be kicking myself later on but right now i am not really interested in a really deep scape. I am thinking of running basically a ramp of rock from front to back and creating a real tight reef.
Since the tank is $65 it is not that much of an expense to give it a shot. I am making my stand 4X2 so i can run any tank up to that footprint. I am making it beefy enough to carry a 120. If I need to upsize it is just a matter of getting a new tank and upgrading pumps. I am anticipating a move in the next year so I figure that if I down size now and take out the dsb. It will be easier for me to setup again or go larger. Maybe I am downsizing too much? dunno yet. maybe I will make a 4x2x1 That might be an idea.

Thanks for the input

mps9506 · 03-15-2004, 09:26 PM

One thing about running mags on a closed loop, sometimes you will have noise issues.
I ran my mag 12 on a closed loop for a short while, and it was incredibly loud, however I have one at the store plumbed external as well and it is fairly quiet.
BTW, I have a 40BR. I love it, I downsized from a 55. I would have done a 75, but I was too limited in space and the 40 was a nice compromise. I would have rather gotten an Oceanic 56 or the aga 65. But I'm quite happy with the 40.

birdman204 · 03-29-2004, 02:00 PM

so its a 4 foot long, by 12 inch by 12 inch tank?
Is that right?

tommyp · 03-29-2004, 02:02 PM

I think it is 13 deep 12 high 4 ft long. I am thinking in other directions now but it is a sweet foot print!

fidojoe · 03-29-2004, 03:49 PM

I used to keep oscars in one of those, and almost set up a reef in one, but decided to get the 50, just cause I could. It is a cool sized tank, just not fun on an already short stand

ramora · 05-12-2008, 09:50 PM

good luck.

03-15-2004, 10:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
tommyp Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: VT Posts: 659 View Gallery Karma Komment	33l reef Hi all, I have been kicking around the idea of downsizing into a 33L. So far I am thinking I am going to drill the bottom and install an overflow with 3/4" drain. I am also going to drill the back center for a closed loop. I figure I will run all of my plumbing over the back instead of drilling returns. I was going to run a large sump to bring my total water volume to aleast 60 gallons. I was thinking about running a mag3 from the sump and possibly a mag3 again on the CL I want about 15-20x flow for a stoney tank. I have heard that mags shouldn't be run external. is there a good external cl small pump? I heard the quiet ones aren't that quiet. I like the eheims but they are super pricey. Do you have recommendations for flow on this tank? I was figuring 500 gph would be good. but could go more. I do have some lps that like lower flow. thanks tom __________________ "I think that you can start the bombs of oceanrunner. They are good bombs for a rollback." 190g (60x30x25) upgrade in progress, 90g basement sump Check it out here!

03-15-2004, 12:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
wooddood the wood dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CARMEL. INDIANA Posts: 3,450 View Gallery Karma Komment	you can run mag drive pumps external im running a mag 7 on a closed loop now and it's running fine.i also heard the same thing that you can't run them external and someone on this board talked to danner mfg and they said it was ok.i think it might have been troy [pro_builder].im looking at my mag 7 box right now and it says [quote] completely submersible,use in or out of water.hth.there website is www.pondmaster.com __________________ 120 gal/in wall tank/starboard substraight/2 250 watt 10k xm metal halides/ 4 55watt 03 actinics/150lbs lr/scwd on return/scwd on a closed loop/aquaclear aquatics 200 pro wetdry w/skimmer. ask all the questions you have if we cant answer it we'll make up some thing. remember patience is the key to a kick ass reef. dave.

03-15-2004, 02:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
tommyp Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: VT Posts: 659 View Gallery Karma Komment	Thanks all. I guess I will run two mags then. The circulation is going to be the hardest part of this tank. Wit, yeah i know what I am getting into. It is a long squat and oh so not deep tank. I look at it as a challenge. I might hate it, I might love it. We'll see. It is the challenge of the nano. I really love the look of a 20 long reef. So i figured I would do a 20 long but a just little longer. With the stuff from my 65 I should have it packed! all the more fun. Thanks tom __________________ "I think that you can start the bombs of oceanrunner. They are good bombs for a rollback." 190g (60x30x25) upgrade in progress, 90g basement sump Check it out here!

03-15-2004, 02:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
semigodd154 Cabbage Leather Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: amsterdam ny Posts: 392 View Gallery Karma Komment	I did like the idea of a 33l but it was like pulling teeth from a chicken to get one here so i set up a 30breeder the fact that it is a foot shorter in length is made up for in the 18inch front to back space it makes a really nice bare bottom tank as long as you have a sump I have a leather in there that is about 10 inches tall and 8-10 across but they do look nice and are easy to aquascape HTH. __________________ 47g column 20x18x30 sps dominated mixed reef 250w HQI 14k approx. 1500gph flow(love you jake 9-03 to 12-03) Shaun

03-15-2004, 03:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
Pro_builder DIY Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Oxford, Iowa Posts: 1,746 View Gallery Karma Komment	I run a Mag 12 external, and have called Danner on the info of not being able to. They said quote "There is no reason that you can't run a Mag pump external, it is printed right on the box." HTH __________________ -Troy 180 gallon Reef, 3- 250 XM 15K MH Electronic ballast, 380 watts VHO Actinics, 2- 5 watt LED Moon lights, 100 gal rubbermaid sump, 75 gallon Fuge, ETSS 600 Skimmer, 4700-5400 gph pump for return, Octopus 3000 controller, Iwaki 40 RL skimmer pump, 2- 65w PC 10K fuge lights, 2 55 gallon barrels, Custom light oak stand and hood, misc pumps, extra 600 gallon rated tank size protein skimmer. Purple tang, yellow tang, pacific blue tang, 2 green chromis, 1 Sand sifting star, snails, hermit crabs, 2 mated perculas, pulsing Xenia, Anenome, mushrooms, ricordia, zoanthids, kenya tree 1 1/2" tall, misc other hitchhiker stuff. DIY is my dream... ...well OK the only way I can afford this Addiction!! Just as the light goes on in my head... ... I break the bulb!!

03-15-2004, 12:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
tankgirl Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: So. Ca Posts: 1,476 View Gallery Karma Komment	Hi Tom, I run my mags dry-mounted. Have heard that same info, but have never had any problems running mine dry.

03-15-2004, 06:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
tommyp Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: VT Posts: 659 View Gallery Karma Komment	Cool so I'll go mag external! Semi-I have a 65aga right now that is the same demensions as the 30 I agree it is a great sized footprint. I might be kicking myself later on but right now i am not really interested in a really deep scape. I am thinking of running basically a ramp of rock from front to back and creating a real tight reef. Since the tank is $65 it is not that much of an expense to give it a shot. I am making my stand 4X2 so i can run any tank up to that footprint. I am making it beefy enough to carry a 120. If I need to upsize it is just a matter of getting a new tank and upgrading pumps. I am anticipating a move in the next year so I figure that if I down size now and take out the dsb. It will be easier for me to setup again or go larger. Maybe I am downsizing too much? dunno yet. maybe I will make a 4x2x1 That might be an idea. Thanks for the input __________________ "I think that you can start the bombs of oceanrunner. They are good bombs for a rollback." 190g (60x30x25) upgrade in progress, 90g basement sump Check it out here!

03-15-2004, 09:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
mps9506 Totally stoked dude Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 7,518 View Gallery Karma Komment	One thing about running mags on a closed loop, sometimes you will have noise issues. I ran my mag 12 on a closed loop for a short while, and it was incredibly loud, however I have one at the store plumbed external as well and it is fairly quiet. BTW, I have a 40BR. I love it, I downsized from a 55. I would have done a 75, but I was too limited in space and the 40 was a nice compromise. I would have rather gotten an Oceanic 56 or the aga 65. But I'm quite happy with the 40.

03-29-2004, 02:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
birdman204 Limpet Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Orange County , CA Posts: 133 View Gallery Karma Komment	so its a 4 foot long, by 12 inch by 12 inch tank? Is that right? __________________ Simple Simon met a Pieman, going to the fair. Said Simple Simon to the Pieman, What have you got there? Said the Pieman unto Simon, Pies, Dumb_ _ _.

03-29-2004, 02:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
tommyp Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: VT Posts: 659 View Gallery Karma Komment	I think it is 13 deep 12 high 4 ft long. I am thinking in other directions now but it is a sweet foot print! __________________ "I think that you can start the bombs of oceanrunner. They are good bombs for a rollback." 190g (60x30x25) upgrade in progress, 90g basement sump Check it out here!

03-29-2004, 03:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
fidojoe Fish Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,584 View Gallery Karma Komment	I used to keep oscars in one of those, and almost set up a reef in one, but decided to get the 50, just cause I could. It is a cool sized tank, just not fun on an already short stand __________________ *Member "Crabs Are Evil" Society* My Tank: 90g AGA, 18g tall sump, CSS 220 w/ meshmod impeller, 4x54w Tek T5 retro w/ IC reflectors, Kalk reactor w/ aquamedic niveaumat system, a few SPS, LPS, zoos, and a few softies, 2 Ocellaris Clowns (hosted by both a RBTA and GBTA), Yellow Watchman, Potter's angel, Yellow Tang, Foxface, Midas Blenny, Purple Pseudo, huge brittle star, 2 tigertail cukes, fire shrimp, snails, and unfortunately two emerald crabs (the bubble algae got out of control).

05-12-2008, 09:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
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