Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance

CMG · 02-07-2008, 10:49 PM

Hello,

I have been looking into getting a shrimp, I would like either a fire red shrimp or a coral banded shrimp. In my readings I have found that shrimp are not as tolerant of nitrates as fish but it never really gives a range of nitrate tolerance. I have a 40g FOWLR with 3 damsels and a nasirus snail and my nitrates range from 0-5 maybe even up to 10 sometimes depending on when the last water change was. Is this too high? I am also having a diatom bloom now and dont know if that is harmful to shrimp? Thank you.

CATALYST · 02-07-2008, 11:13 PM

My nitrates run 5-10 and I have two shrimp and they are totally fine.

framerguy · 02-07-2008, 11:25 PM

In the research I have done I have found that shrimp, and most inverts can handle nitrates up to about 35ppm. Then it starts to get touchy. At 40, some feather dusters will lose their crowns. They arent' shrimp but you get the picture. At 10 you are fine. I wouldn't worry at 20 even. At 30 you may want to take steps to lower it.

CMG · 02-07-2008, 11:25 PM

SWEET! I am so paranoid about messing up, I want to get it right the first time.

Are there any ups and downs to different types of shrimp? Are they like fish where some are more aggresive than others. From reading it seems the deep red ones with white spots are really shy and at the LFS the coral banded one was not scared of me at all. I just dont want them attacking my fish or anything.

framerguy · 02-07-2008, 11:36 PM

Shrimp are theives and can be aggressive about stealing food. The cleaners (Lysmata sp.) are still good to have IMO, just feed them first to keep them away from corals you are feeding. The banded shrimps (Stenopus sp.)can be quite aggressive and may attack shrimp, snails, worms and certainly their own kind. Don't get any of the Camelbacks (Rhynchocinetes sp) as they prey on corals and polyps and are not reef safe.

CMG · 02-07-2008, 11:44 PM

Interesting, thank you for the info. I have a FOWLR so I am not really too worried about stealing since the fish are so fast at getting to their food, but if I notice my snails (when I get some) start disapearing after I get a shrimp then at least I will know who it was! haha.

Ok, good I feel much better now knowing their water needs and behaviors. This forum is great.

Oh wait, I forgot....will the diatom bloom hurt them? I assume not since it doesnt seem to be bothering the fish.

framerguy · 02-08-2008, 10:46 AM

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Oh wait, I forgot....will the diatom bloom hurt them? I assume not since it doesnt seem to be bothering the fish.

No, it won't hurt them. If you have a FO tank then the shrimp choices change a little. Camelbacks would be fine in there. The lysmatas would perform cleaning services on your fish. The Stenopus would as well, but the Lysmata wouldn't bother the snails and such. HTH

lcstorc · 02-08-2008, 11:54 AM

Shrimp and other inverts are very sensitive to changes particularly in salinity. These animals need to be acclimated more slowly than fish so that they are not shocked by the change in environment.
Yes the fire shrimp are a bit shy but I absolutely love them. Mine come out at night and at feeding time but are upside down under a rock ledge the rest of the time. Expensive but IMO well worth it.

CMG · 02-08-2008, 02:25 PM

I did read that they are very sensative to acclimation, salinity changes, etc. as compared to fish. I will make sure to float the bag until it reaches the correct tnak temp and then also drip acclimate him/her with my drip line that I have yet to use! I want to float the bag in the tank while I drip acclimate it so the temp doesnt change but I havent figured out how to weight it down.

CMG · 02-08-2008, 07:23 PM

I read somewhere online I think Drs. Foster smith that the salinity shouldnt be higher than 1.025 for inverts but dont most reefers keep their salinity at 1.026?

new-2-the-reef · 02-08-2008, 08:10 PM

do not get a coral banded shrimp ,I just spent a few hours trying to catch mine recently

they look great but will attack kill ,more meaningful shrimp...lol

but do what ya like

CMG · 02-09-2008, 12:06 AM

Too late!! haha. I am acclimating it right now. I only plan on having one shrimp and this is it. I only ahve a 40g so I dont want too many of any one thing. I figure one shrimp some snails a watchman goby and a pecula clown for the finace, she wont shut up about how thats what I have to get, so I figure eventually when my QT tank is ready I will get it for her. hehe.

cracker · 02-09-2008, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CMG

I did read that they are very sensative to acclimation, salinity changes, etc. as compared to fish. I will make sure to float the bag until it reaches the correct tnak temp and then also drip acclimate him/her with my drip line that I have yet to use! I want to float the bag in the tank while I drip acclimate it so the temp doesnt change but I havent figured out how to weight it down.

I use a half gallon pitcher the handle is open at the botom it hooks over the sump . I put the bag in the pitcher then the pitcher in the sump. I add a little sump water to the pitcher to weigh it down.

CMG · 02-10-2008, 12:59 PM

Here are some pictures of my new and first invertibrate who I have yet to name...hmmmmm....

Do I need to feed it directly or does it just survive off of scraps? Its likes to hide in the back of the tank until night time, perhaps because its a new environment so I havent seen it being a thief yet?

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/photopo...47/ppuser/7029

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/photopo...ig/ppuser/7029

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/photopo...49/ppuser/7029

lcstorc · 02-10-2008, 01:56 PM

Yes they pretty much eat scraps and are a good addition to your cleanup crew. Many shrimp are nocturnal and pretty much only come out at night.

02-07-2008, 10:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
CMG Scopas Tang Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sonoma County, CA Posts: 473 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance Hello, I have been looking into getting a shrimp, I would like either a fire red shrimp or a coral banded shrimp. In my readings I have found that shrimp are not as tolerant of nitrates as fish but it never really gives a range of nitrate tolerance. I have a 40g FOWLR with 3 damsels and a nasirus snail and my nitrates range from 0-5 maybe even up to 10 sometimes depending on when the last water change was. Is this too high? I am also having a diatom bloom now and dont know if that is harmful to shrimp? Thank you. __________________ My Chronical: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...wlr-setup.html 40g, Purple Dartfish (squirley), Banggai Cardinal (Spot), 3 sand sifting snails, 3 nerite snails and a golden banded shrimp (Batman).

02-07-2008, 11:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
CATALYST Achilles Tang Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 835 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance My nitrates run 5-10 and I have two shrimp and they are totally fine.

02-07-2008, 11:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
framerguy Golden Moray Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mount Airy, Ga Posts: 2,920 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance In the research I have done I have found that shrimp, and most inverts can handle nitrates up to about 35ppm. Then it starts to get touchy. At 40, some feather dusters will lose their crowns. They arent' shrimp but you get the picture. At 10 you are fine. I wouldn't worry at 20 even. At 30 you may want to take steps to lower it. __________________ ___________________________________ Greg All time fav quote: "Now and then it's good to pause in our pursuit of happiness and just be happy."-Guillaume Apollinaire "Being happy can be as easy as deciding to be!"-Greg Kimsey (framerguy) 75g Main, 55g Fuge w/DSB/+-25#LR, 25g Sump, turboflotor skimmer, 2x250w MH(9hrs/d), 4x65w PC(14h/d), 950gph mag drive/seaswirl return, 100# LR, 3" SB chronicles-akwareum (\___/) This is Bunny. (=O.o=) Copy and paste him into your signature (")__(") to help him gain world domination

02-07-2008, 11:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
CMG Scopas Tang Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sonoma County, CA Posts: 473 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance SWEET! I am so paranoid about messing up, I want to get it right the first time. Are there any ups and downs to different types of shrimp? Are they like fish where some are more aggresive than others. From reading it seems the deep red ones with white spots are really shy and at the LFS the coral banded one was not scared of me at all. I just dont want them attacking my fish or anything. __________________ My Chronical: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...wlr-setup.html 40g, Purple Dartfish (squirley), Banggai Cardinal (Spot), 3 sand sifting snails, 3 nerite snails and a golden banded shrimp (Batman).

02-07-2008, 11:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
framerguy Golden Moray Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mount Airy, Ga Posts: 2,920 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance Shrimp are theives and can be aggressive about stealing food. The cleaners (Lysmata sp.) are still good to have IMO, just feed them first to keep them away from corals you are feeding. The banded shrimps (Stenopus sp.)can be quite aggressive and may attack shrimp, snails, worms and certainly their own kind. Don't get any of the Camelbacks (Rhynchocinetes sp) as they prey on corals and polyps and are not reef safe. __________________ ___________________________________ Greg All time fav quote: "Now and then it's good to pause in our pursuit of happiness and just be happy."-Guillaume Apollinaire "Being happy can be as easy as deciding to be!"-Greg Kimsey (framerguy) 75g Main, 55g Fuge w/DSB/+-25#LR, 25g Sump, turboflotor skimmer, 2x250w MH(9hrs/d), 4x65w PC(14h/d), 950gph mag drive/seaswirl return, 100# LR, 3" SB chronicles-akwareum (\___/) This is Bunny. (=O.o=) Copy and paste him into your signature (")__(") to help him gain world domination

02-07-2008, 11:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
CMG Scopas Tang Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sonoma County, CA Posts: 473 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance Interesting, thank you for the info. I have a FOWLR so I am not really too worried about stealing since the fish are so fast at getting to their food, but if I notice my snails (when I get some) start disapearing after I get a shrimp then at least I will know who it was! haha. Ok, good I feel much better now knowing their water needs and behaviors. This forum is great. Oh wait, I forgot....will the diatom bloom hurt them? I assume not since it doesnt seem to be bothering the fish. __________________ My Chronical: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...wlr-setup.html 40g, Purple Dartfish (squirley), Banggai Cardinal (Spot), 3 sand sifting snails, 3 nerite snails and a golden banded shrimp (Batman).

02-08-2008, 11:54 AM	#8 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 16,449 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance Shrimp and other inverts are very sensitive to changes particularly in salinity. These animals need to be acclimated more slowly than fish so that they are not shocked by the change in environment. Yes the fire shrimp are a bit shy but I absolutely love them. Mine come out at night and at feeding time but are upside down under a rock ledge the rest of the time. Expensive but IMO well worth it. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g Jawfish enjoyment ASM answer girl. Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back.

02-08-2008, 02:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
CMG Scopas Tang Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sonoma County, CA Posts: 473 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance I did read that they are very sensative to acclimation, salinity changes, etc. as compared to fish. I will make sure to float the bag until it reaches the correct tnak temp and then also drip acclimate him/her with my drip line that I have yet to use! I want to float the bag in the tank while I drip acclimate it so the temp doesnt change but I havent figured out how to weight it down. __________________ My Chronical: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...wlr-setup.html 40g, Purple Dartfish (squirley), Banggai Cardinal (Spot), 3 sand sifting snails, 3 nerite snails and a golden banded shrimp (Batman).

02-08-2008, 07:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
CMG Scopas Tang Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sonoma County, CA Posts: 473 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance I read somewhere online I think Drs. Foster smith that the salinity shouldnt be higher than 1.025 for inverts but dont most reefers keep their salinity at 1.026? __________________ My Chronical: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...wlr-setup.html 40g, Purple Dartfish (squirley), Banggai Cardinal (Spot), 3 sand sifting snails, 3 nerite snails and a golden banded shrimp (Batman).

02-08-2008, 08:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
new-2-the-reef Serpent Star Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: ontario canada Posts: 227 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance do not get a coral banded shrimp ,I just spent a few hours trying to catch mine recently they look great but will attack kill ,more meaningful shrimp...lol but do what ya like __________________ my new tank (soon to be reef) hopefully? http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-new-tank.html updated pics 04-11-2007

02-09-2008, 12:06 AM	#12 (permalink)
CMG Scopas Tang Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sonoma County, CA Posts: 473 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance Too late!! haha. I am acclimating it right now. I only plan on having one shrimp and this is it. I only ahve a 40g so I dont want too many of any one thing. I figure one shrimp some snails a watchman goby and a pecula clown for the finace, she wont shut up about how thats what I have to get, so I figure eventually when my QT tank is ready I will get it for her. hehe. __________________ My Chronical: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...wlr-setup.html 40g, Purple Dartfish (squirley), Banggai Cardinal (Spot), 3 sand sifting snails, 3 nerite snails and a golden banded shrimp (Batman).

02-10-2008, 12:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
CMG Scopas Tang Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sonoma County, CA Posts: 473 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance Here are some pictures of my new and first invertibrate who I have yet to name...hmmmmm.... Do I need to feed it directly or does it just survive off of scraps? Its likes to hide in the back of the tank until night time, perhaps because its a new environment so I havent seen it being a thief yet? http://www.reefsanctuary.com/photopo...47/ppuser/7029 http://www.reefsanctuary.com/photopo...ig/ppuser/7029 http://www.reefsanctuary.com/photopo...49/ppuser/7029 __________________ My Chronical: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...wlr-setup.html 40g, Purple Dartfish (squirley), Banggai Cardinal (Spot), 3 sand sifting snails, 3 nerite snails and a golden banded shrimp (Batman).

02-10-2008, 01:56 PM	#15 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 16,449 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Shrimp Nitrate Tolerance Yes they pretty much eat scraps and are a good addition to your cleanup crew. Many shrimp are nocturnal and pretty much only come out at night. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g Jawfish enjoyment ASM answer girl. Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back.

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