Help Again pls

Debby · 03-19-2008, 10:34 AM

Ok we got the sea apple situation controlled.Now I have put my new light on tank What was to beleive to be brownish red on sand is actually a bright green skimmed off last nite back again this morning and can see some on rocks just on left side of tank.right side still reddish brown on sand.iv lookedd for my old post of please help so would kinda of have idea what has been going on. can not find it,title was please help. also son bought me a cleaner fish sunday it died last nite. so again PLEASE help

Anselth · 03-19-2008, 10:42 AM

Debby, sounds like cyano, green and slimy? If so, increase flow to the affected area by aiming a powerhead in that direction. Second, you need to reduce the nutrients in the system. Do you use RO water for top-offs and changes? Regular tap will contain phosphates and organics which can feed algae. Uneaten food can also release nitrate and phosphate into the water column. Running phosban or similar media in your sump can greatly reduce the available phosphates in your tank.

Debby · 03-19-2008, 10:52 AM

Thanks adam I do have a sump.I am running a hang on corallife super skimmer.

boozeman · 03-19-2008, 11:17 AM

btw, if a sea apple dies in your tank the chemicals it releases will nuke your entire system.

Debby · 03-19-2008, 11:26 AM

The sea apple did not die.I took it back to pet store and got credit untill figure out why fish keep dieing.

rlcline76 · 03-19-2008, 11:43 AM

Good morning Debby. Sounds like you have encountered a common headache with the hobby.
The advice given is quite sound. Flow, nutrient reduction, RO/DI I would also suggest taking some time a cleaning the equipment. If you have a turkey baster, suck some of the red/green slime up and remove it from the tank. Watch how much you feed.

Debby · 03-19-2008, 11:49 AM

I removed all i could see last nite.this morning its back.

rlcline76 · 03-19-2008, 11:51 AM

It'll do that.
I am trying to recall the last thread. What is your water source again?

rlcline76 · 03-19-2008, 11:55 AM

An Instant Nitrate Reduction Method - A Multiple Step Water Change Procedure

Also, how long are your lights on for?

BarbMazz · 03-19-2008, 11:58 AM

I would suggest waiting a few weeks before adding any more livestock.

Test frequently and get a handle on your readings. Do the water change/maintenance routine... watch this nuisance algae problem and research solutions. From the reading I've done, it seems as though there are small tweaks to do "here and there", then you wait and watch... sometimes for WEEKS before you see changes occur. NOTHNG happens quickly, except maybe BAD stuff.

I think watching things while you read up on beginning a reef tank will help you become familiar with what is going on in your system, and will allow it to stabilize. The sea apple chemicals, and things dying in there can take some time to sort out.

Also, research the creatures you still have in your tank. There may be some chemical issues going on between them as well. I forget, are you running some carbon? Anyway, read up on the compatabilities of the corals, etc you still have in your tank to see if there could be compatibility issues remaining.

Debby · 03-19-2008, 12:12 PM

last thread was help please but i can not find any where last remark on it was sunday.

Dentoid · 03-19-2008, 12:14 PM

Help Please

blue_eyes53813 · 03-19-2008, 12:47 PM

Im sorry for your troubles Debby. The algae is normal in new aquariums. Increasing the flow in those area, less feedings and over all just keeping everything as clean as you can helps. The algae will slowly go away. Dont give up.

Many factors may play into why you are losing the livestock. Something else in the tank like a hitchhiker check your rock with a flash light at night. Your LFS may be getting bad shipments in. The fish may be sick before you even get them. Always make sure the fish are eating and look healthy before you bring them home. If possible it is best to ask the lfs how long they have been at the store, If they are eating. It may be to much stress on the fish if they acclimate them to their tanks and than they go right to your tank for another accliamtion. How are you acclimating the fish? Might be another factor.

Im sorry for your troubles. Hang in there.

framerguy · 03-19-2008, 12:55 PM

Hi Debby. Assume the Lotus position, thumb and middle finger forming a circle, smile and relax. Your system is not ready for more fish yet, so thank your son profusely, but tell him you will buy your own livestock. Your algae is a new tank issue and will subside in time. Many tricks will help, increase flow, RODI source water (if you don't have this, you really need it, plus you can drink the water it produces so it's not just a tank expense), higher alkalinity, lighting in the 14k range, etc. The fish in your tank have acclimated to the parameters that you have now, but new fish can't so let's wait until you have about three or four weeks of quality water parameters to add livestock. Did you actually siphon the algae out or just stir it around? Stirring spreads it, siphoning removes it. Something is feeding it so lets find what it is and get it under control. So...what's your water source, lighting, alkalinity, and flow?

Debby · 03-19-2008, 01:12 PM

I skimmed off top of sand with fish net lol. new lights as of yesterday corallife two white bulbs and 2 blue.feeding the 3 fish i have left 1/4 of cube of brine shrimp mysis every other day,feeding rose anm 1 very small silverdale twice weekley due to bleaching from previous lighting.Have two powerheads and skimmer moving water,use ro water for top offs.pet store wants me to buy some type of chemical for removing algea but you know my exsperience with this pet store probually sell me somthing bad.LOL,

03-19-2008, 10:34 AM	#1 (permalink)
Debby Pistol Shrimp Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Abilene Texas Posts: 273 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Help Again pls Ok we got the sea apple situation controlled.Now I have put my new light on tank What was to beleive to be brownish red on sand is actually a bright green skimmed off last nite back again this morning and can see some on rocks just on left side of tank.right side still reddish brown on sand.iv lookedd for my old post of please help so would kinda of have idea what has been going on. can not find it,title was please help. also son bought me a cleaner fish sunday it died last nite. so again PLEASE help

03-19-2008, 10:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
Anselth Harlequin Tuskfish Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Jersey Posts: 943 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Again pls Debby, sounds like cyano, green and slimy? If so, increase flow to the affected area by aiming a powerhead in that direction. Second, you need to reduce the nutrients in the system. Do you use RO water for top-offs and changes? Regular tap will contain phosphates and organics which can feed algae. Uneaten food can also release nitrate and phosphate into the water column. Running phosban or similar media in your sump can greatly reduce the available phosphates in your tank. __________________ -Adam Learning on the fly My 70 Gallon Reef My 110 Gallon Build

03-19-2008, 10:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
Debby Pistol Shrimp Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Abilene Texas Posts: 273 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Again pls Thanks adam I do have a sump.I am running a hang on corallife super skimmer.

03-19-2008, 11:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
boozeman The CodFather ~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: new york Posts: 8,800 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Again pls btw, if a sea apple dies in your tank the chemicals it releases will nuke your entire system. __________________ ...and when I'm old and wise little things mean little to me like autumn winds they'll blow right through me and someday, in the mist of time when they ask you if you knew me remember that you were a friend of mine

03-19-2008, 11:26 AM	#5 (permalink)
Debby Pistol Shrimp Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Abilene Texas Posts: 273 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Again pls The sea apple did not die.I took it back to pet store and got credit untill figure out why fish keep dieing.

03-19-2008, 11:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
rlcline76 Manta Ray Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,365 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help Again pls Good morning Debby. Sounds like you have encountered a common headache with the hobby. The advice given is quite sound. Flow, nutrient reduction, RO/DI I would also suggest taking some time a cleaning the equipment. If you have a turkey baster, suck some of the red/green slime up and remove it from the tank. Watch how much you feed.

03-19-2008, 11:49 AM	#7 (permalink)
Debby Pistol Shrimp Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Abilene Texas Posts: 273 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Again pls I removed all i could see last nite.this morning its back.

03-19-2008, 11:51 AM	#8 (permalink)
rlcline76 Manta Ray Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,365 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help Again pls It'll do that. I am trying to recall the last thread. What is your water source again?

03-19-2008, 11:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
rlcline76 Manta Ray Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,365 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help Again pls An Instant Nitrate Reduction Method - A Multiple Step Water Change Procedure Also, how long are your lights on for?

03-19-2008, 11:58 AM	#10 (permalink)
BarbMazz Madame Klanganator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Near Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 3,321 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Again pls I would suggest waiting a few weeks before adding any more livestock. Test frequently and get a handle on your readings. Do the water change/maintenance routine... watch this nuisance algae problem and research solutions. From the reading I've done, it seems as though there are small tweaks to do "here and there", then you wait and watch... sometimes for WEEKS before you see changes occur. NOTHNG happens quickly, except maybe BAD stuff. I think watching things while you read up on beginning a reef tank will help you become familiar with what is going on in your system, and will allow it to stabilize. The sea apple chemicals, and things dying in there can take some time to sort out. Also, research the creatures you still have in your tank. There may be some chemical issues going on between them as well. I forget, are you running some carbon? Anyway, read up on the compatabilities of the corals, etc you still have in your tank to see if there could be compatibility issues remaining. __________________ A Snail's Pace Beginning: an old lady's first reef http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...tml#post366161 ~not knowing how near the truth is we seek it far away~

03-19-2008, 12:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
Debby Pistol Shrimp Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Abilene Texas Posts: 273 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Again pls last thread was help please but i can not find any where last remark on it was sunday.

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Dentoid Over Achiever Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 10,289 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help Again pls Help Please __________________ Scott Dentoid's Reeforama

03-19-2008, 12:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
blue_eyes53813 Hey!Its not my fault Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lancaster, Wisconsin Posts: 6,920 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Again pls Im sorry for your troubles Debby. The algae is normal in new aquariums. Increasing the flow in those area, less feedings and over all just keeping everything as clean as you can helps. The algae will slowly go away. Dont give up. Many factors may play into why you are losing the livestock. Something else in the tank like a hitchhiker check your rock with a flash light at night. Your LFS may be getting bad shipments in. The fish may be sick before you even get them. Always make sure the fish are eating and look healthy before you bring them home. If possible it is best to ask the lfs how long they have been at the store, If they are eating. It may be to much stress on the fish if they acclimate them to their tanks and than they go right to your tank for another accliamtion. How are you acclimating the fish? Might be another factor. Im sorry for your troubles. Hang in there. __________________ 265 Gallon Reef built into basement wall. Lighting = 6x250 watts MH, 2x96 watt PC ,and 2x140 watt VHO for a total watt of 1,972 watts . New addition on 4-14-07 of 100 gallon sump and 100 gallon refugium. I think I have lost my mind. Gotta love this hobby Vicki Life is like a pathway of untrodden snow. Be careful how you step in it for every mark will show Definition of FRIENDSHIP: All lives touch other lives to create something new and alive My tank chronicles. http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...wall-reef.html

03-19-2008, 12:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
framerguy Manta Ray Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mount Airy, Ga Posts: 3,660 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Again pls Hi Debby. Assume the Lotus position, thumb and middle finger forming a circle, smile and relax. Your system is not ready for more fish yet, so thank your son profusely, but tell him you will buy your own livestock. Your algae is a new tank issue and will subside in time. Many tricks will help, increase flow, RODI source water (if you don't have this, you really need it, plus you can drink the water it produces so it's not just a tank expense), higher alkalinity, lighting in the 14k range, etc. The fish in your tank have acclimated to the parameters that you have now, but new fish can't so let's wait until you have about three or four weeks of quality water parameters to add livestock. Did you actually siphon the algae out or just stir it around? Stirring spreads it, siphoning removes it. Something is feeding it so lets find what it is and get it under control. So...what's your water source, lighting, alkalinity, and flow? __________________ ___________________________________ Greg All time fav quote: "Now and then it's good to pause in our pursuit of happiness and just be happy."-Guillaume Apollinaire "Being happy can be as easy as deciding to be!"-Greg Kimsey (framerguy) Still Workin' on it! 375gDT built in wall, Gargantuan DIY Beckett Skimmer, 100g sump, Sequence Hammerhead closed loop, 75 gallon seagrass/mineral mud refugium, 55 gallon crushed coral/live rock refugium, 30 gallon DSB/ cheatomorpha refugium, algae turf scrubber, DIY calcium reactor, DIY kalkwasser mixer, DIY light system w/4x 250MH & 4x54w T5, etc, etc, etc... chronicles-akwareum

03-19-2008, 01:12 PM	#15 (permalink)
Debby Pistol Shrimp Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Abilene Texas Posts: 273 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Again pls I skimmed off top of sand with fish net lol. new lights as of yesterday corallife two white bulbs and 2 blue.feeding the 3 fish i have left 1/4 of cube of brine shrimp mysis every other day,feeding rose anm 1 very small silverdale twice weekley due to bleaching from previous lighting.Have two powerheads and skimmer moving water,use ro water for top offs.pet store wants me to buy some type of chemical for removing algea but you know my exsperience with this pet store probually sell me somthing bad.LOL,

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