So you want a tang? - Page 5

Joander123 · 08-03-2007, 09:59 AM

this is a great thread, lots of knowledge here and i love it.

Im a new member, and i was just searching cause i wanted a bit more specific information on certain tangs, and i found it here, so i this thread made me join.

I have a question for craig, i have a 100g tank, and was wondering on what you thought of Both a Yellow, and a Lieutenant tang in this tank. According to your list, its OK, but when i mention the two together on other forums and to my reef club, they say its not really a great idea, as they both compete for the same overall food sources, and will probably fight. I wanted to know how you would respond to this.

And also, what is your thoughts on the Achilles Tang (Acanthurus achilles). Both the Achilles and the Lieutenant are under Acanthurus, so they should be ok with Zebrasoma (probably a yellow) correct?

Thanks,
Jay

Kazzy · 08-25-2007, 10:01 PM

This is an awesome thread, but I just wanted to add the Eibli Mimic Tang to your list. It grows to 7-9 inches, belongs to the Acanthurus genus, and its scientific name is Acanthurus tristis.

Craig Manoukian · 08-27-2007, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazzy

This is an awesome thread, but I just wanted to add the Eibli Mimic Tang to your list. It grows to 7-9 inches, belongs to the Acanthurus genus, and its scientific name is Acanthurus tristis.

Will do. Just a correection of the scientific name. Here is a photo of an adult.

SCIENTIFIC NAME: Acanthurus pyroferus
AV. SIZE IN CAPTIVITY: up to approx. 7 inches
SUGGESTED DIET: predominantly green foods
OVERALL TEMPERAMENT: active/semi-aggresive
REEF COMPATABILITY: good

Kazzy · 08-27-2007, 05:35 PM

I got the scientific name out of a book written by Scott W. Michael, and he hasn't been wrong yet from when I got this book a year or so ago... He's an "... internationally recognized writer, underwater photographer, and marine biology researcher specializing in fishes of the coral reef..."
Sorry for being a know-it-all, but pyroferus is this:

This is a juvenile:

ScottT1980 · 08-27-2007, 06:03 PM

Glad I ran across this thread, very useful! I currently have a very large sailfin and a Kole in a 200 gallon. I want to add another one, but keep holding back for fear of overcrowding. They have quickly become my favorite fish in the hobby, just an awesome group of fish.

cheeks69 · 08-27-2007, 06:20 PM

There's the Mimic Lemonpeel Tang and the Mimic Eibli Tang both mimic the Centropyge Dwarf Angels.

Craig Manoukian · 08-27-2007, 10:28 PM

Acanthurus tristis (Tickell, 1888), the Indian Mimic Surgeonfish, like A. pyroferus also imitates the dwarf angel Centropyge eibli.

Just to buttress the discussion, these tangs, tritis and pyrferus are very similar. I am not suprised that my search came up with a misidentification.

Both of these images appear here Acanthurus tristis - www.meerwasser-lexikon.de. May be a post juvenile/pre adult stage with the stripes.

Both genus appear to be good reef candidates.

Kazzy · 08-28-2007, 05:33 PM

Thank you for clearing that up!
One last thing: The Eibli Mimic Tang's juvenile stage(and adult stage?) is the one shown in the bottom picture of the above post. I know because I have a juvenile Eibli Mimc and it looks just like that one.

Intranick · 09-22-2007, 04:35 PM

I'm curious. Is it possible to get a tang in my 55? i'm not quite sure if i'm reading the bear bones minimum is 75 or if i could get away with having one of the smaller tangs in my 55 (keeping in mind my tank is 48" long and 12" wide)

lcstorc · 09-22-2007, 04:40 PM

I would not put a tank in that size tank but that is just my opinion. They need lots of room to swim and you just doin't have that in a 55. You can probably get away with it for a time but rather quickly it will outgrow the tank.

Intranick · 09-22-2007, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcstorc

I would not put a tank in that size tank but that is just my opinion. They need lots of room to swim and you just doin't have that in a 55. You can probably get away with it for a time but rather quickly it will outgrow the tank.

Thats what I though, thanks

-- i just wanted to check

kathywithbirds · 09-22-2007, 05:07 PM

Hi guys. how big do scopas get? Would one get along in a 75 with 2 clowns a 6-line and a damsel?

Kazzy · 09-23-2007, 02:08 PM

I think one would. They don't get much bigger than yellow tangs as far as I know.

Wooden Harpoon · 10-23-2007, 12:31 PM

Thank you for the information on Tangs. I have a Yellow Tang in my current aquarium and have just discovered a few things that I can be doing differently to take better care of him. I also found a good site on general care and info. for the Yellow Tang. Yellow Tangs - Zebrasoma Flavescens

kathywithbirds · 10-23-2007, 12:34 PM

I love my scopas. He's passive aggressive!

08-03-2007, 09:59 AM	#61 (permalink)
Joander123 Tunicate Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: So you want a tang? this is a great thread, lots of knowledge here and i love it. Im a new member, and i was just searching cause i wanted a bit more specific information on certain tangs, and i found it here, so i this thread made me join. I have a question for craig, i have a 100g tank, and was wondering on what you thought of Both a Yellow, and a Lieutenant tang in this tank. According to your list, its OK, but when i mention the two together on other forums and to my reef club, they say its not really a great idea, as they both compete for the same overall food sources, and will probably fight. I wanted to know how you would respond to this. And also, what is your thoughts on the Achilles Tang (Acanthurus achilles). Both the Achilles and the Lieutenant are under Acanthurus, so they should be ok with Zebrasoma (probably a yellow) correct? Thanks, Jay

08-25-2007, 10:01 PM	#62 (permalink)
Kazzy Scopas Tang Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: KS Posts: 440 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: So you want a tang? This is an awesome thread, but I just wanted to add the Eibli Mimic Tang to your list. It grows to 7-9 inches, belongs to the Acanthurus genus, and its scientific name is Acanthurus tristis. __________________ Grant New favorite quote: I would not, could not BUY YOUR LOAN. I would not, could not MAKE MONEY FAST. I would not, could not SEND NO CA$H. I would not, could not SEE YOUR SITE. I would not, could not EAT VEG-I-MITE. I do_not_like GREEN CARDS AND SPAM! Mandarin Policeman http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-bowfront.html

08-27-2007, 05:35 PM	#64 (permalink)
Kazzy Scopas Tang Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: KS Posts: 440 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: So you want a tang? I got the scientific name out of a book written by Scott W. Michael, and he hasn't been wrong yet from when I got this book a year or so ago... He's an "... internationally recognized writer, underwater photographer, and marine biology researcher specializing in fishes of the coral reef..." Sorry for being a know-it-all, but pyroferus is this: This is a juvenile: __________________ Grant New favorite quote: I would not, could not BUY YOUR LOAN. I would not, could not MAKE MONEY FAST. I would not, could not SEND NO CA$H. I would not, could not SEE YOUR SITE. I would not, could not EAT VEG-I-MITE. I do_not_like GREEN CARDS AND SPAM! Mandarin Policeman http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-bowfront.html

08-27-2007, 06:03 PM	#65 (permalink)
ScottT1980 Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,484 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: So you want a tang? Glad I ran across this thread, very useful! I currently have a very large sailfin and a Kole in a 200 gallon. I want to add another one, but keep holding back for fear of overcrowding. They have quickly become my favorite fish in the hobby, just an awesome group of fish. __________________ My Tank

08-27-2007, 06:20 PM	#66 (permalink)
cheeks69 Wannabe Guru Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northeast Posts: 6,617 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: So you want a tang? There's the Mimic Lemonpeel Tang and the Mimic Eibli Tang both mimic the Centropyge Dwarf Angels. __________________ Robert My Cube “A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” Albert Einstein

08-27-2007, 10:28 PM	#67 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 17,893 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: So you want a tang? Acanthurus tristis (Tickell, 1888), the Indian Mimic Surgeonfish, like A. pyroferus also imitates the dwarf angel Centropyge eibli. Just to buttress the discussion, these tangs, tritis and pyrferus are very similar. I am not suprised that my search came up with a misidentification. Both of these images appear here Acanthurus tristis - www.meerwasser-lexikon.de. May be a post juvenile/pre adult stage with the stripes. Both genus appear to be good reef candidates. __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

08-28-2007, 05:33 PM	#68 (permalink)
Kazzy Scopas Tang Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: KS Posts: 440 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: So you want a tang? Thank you for clearing that up! One last thing: The Eibli Mimic Tang's juvenile stage(and adult stage?) is the one shown in the bottom picture of the above post. I know because I have a juvenile Eibli Mimc and it looks just like that one. __________________ Grant New favorite quote: I would not, could not BUY YOUR LOAN. I would not, could not MAKE MONEY FAST. I would not, could not SEND NO CA$H. I would not, could not SEE YOUR SITE. I would not, could not EAT VEG-I-MITE. I do_not_like GREEN CARDS AND SPAM! Mandarin Policeman http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-bowfront.html

09-22-2007, 04:35 PM	#69 (permalink)
Intranick Serpent Star Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mankato, MN Posts: 236 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: So you want a tang? I'm curious. Is it possible to get a tang in my 55? i'm not quite sure if i'm reading the bear bones minimum is 75 or if i could get away with having one of the smaller tangs in my 55 (keeping in mind my tank is 48" long and 12" wide)

09-22-2007, 04:40 PM	#70 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 18,412 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: So you want a tang? I would not put a tank in that size tank but that is just my opinion. They need lots of room to swim and you just doin't have that in a 55. You can probably get away with it for a time but rather quickly it will outgrow the tank. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back.

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kathywithbirds Social Darwinism victim Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Hood, NJ Posts: 5,711 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: So you want a tang? Hi guys. how big do scopas get? Would one get along in a 75 with 2 clowns a 6-line and a damsel? __________________ (\ /) This is Bunny crying. ( ; ; ) He thinks Brainy and Bunnina . ' ' ...are having an affair. "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." ~Lin Yutang Start: 163.5 Current: I'm not looking at the scale, I'm not looking at the scale, I'm not looking at the scale...

09-23-2007, 02:08 PM	#73 (permalink)
Kazzy Scopas Tang Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: KS Posts: 440 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: So you want a tang? I think one would. They don't get much bigger than yellow tangs as far as I know. __________________ Grant New favorite quote: I would not, could not BUY YOUR LOAN. I would not, could not MAKE MONEY FAST. I would not, could not SEND NO CA$H. I would not, could not SEE YOUR SITE. I would not, could not EAT VEG-I-MITE. I do_not_like GREEN CARDS AND SPAM! Mandarin Policeman http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-bowfront.html

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Wooden Harpoon Star Polyps Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 171 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: So you want a tang? Thank you for the information on Tangs. I have a Yellow Tang in my current aquarium and have just discovered a few things that I can be doing differently to take better care of him. I also found a good site on general care and info. for the Yellow Tang. Yellow Tangs - Zebrasoma Flavescens __________________ The more I see the less I know! Back and more humbled about the world of reef keeping.

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kathywithbirds Social Darwinism victim Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Hood, NJ Posts: 5,711 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: So you want a tang? I love my scopas. He's passive aggressive! __________________ (\ /) This is Bunny crying. ( ; ; ) He thinks Brainy and Bunnina . ' ' ...are having an affair. "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." ~Lin Yutang Start: 163.5 Current: I'm not looking at the scale, I'm not looking at the scale, I'm not looking at the scale...

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