More Newbie Questions

TylerHaworth · 03-02-2009, 10:17 PM

I can't figure out how to delete the previous thread I have on the boards, but I have revised my plans so much in the past couple weekds/days or so that I feel the need to start over with my plans, and want as much input as I can get... It's impossible to hurt my feelings

First of all, I need opinions on my gear, yo. My plans for livestock: FOWLR

75 Gallon AGA Megaflow Pre-Drilled Display Tank (48x18x20)
20 or 29 Gallon Sump/Refugium Depending on space in cabinet
Quiet One 4000 Return Pump
Two Hydor Koralia #3 Powerheads
Azoo Titanium 300w heater
Marineland Marine Pro 100 Protein Skimmer
Coralife Aqualights + Lunar Lights
75 Pounds of sand in DT and 1" sandbed in Fuge
50 Pounds of Live Rock in Display Tank and a few chunks in Fuge

Livestock Next.....

Royal Gramma
Oscellaris Clown
Purple Firefish
Yellow Tang
Bicolor Angelfish
Cleanup Crew (no crabs... crabs are bad... in or out of the water, Blood Red Shrimp is a must though!)

Evaluate Please, and guide me on the path of righteousness, fellow reefers.

Luukosian · 03-02-2009, 10:21 PM

Sounds pretty good, doesnt sound like you are overstocked or anything. I think that amount of rock will probably be fine with the bioload you are going to have in that tank especially since its fish only. Some might argue the yellow tang but I think you will be fine as long as its got plenty of room to swim around.

Not sure how aggressive those angels are, I've never had one.

chuck116 · 03-02-2009, 11:06 PM

Hello, my opinion would be to look down the road at the fact that your interests in the stocking of your tank may change. try to get as much flow as you can so you dont have to up grade your pump if you decide to go with some corals later on. Also get the best skimmer you can afford, even if its overkill for your current application. again just my 2 cents I am still new to this whole hobby. GOOD LUCK!

ReefLady · 03-03-2009, 07:28 AM

I think your plans look pretty solid. The only recommendation I would have is to add the least aggressive fish first, the most aggressive last.
Other than that, just take it slow, don't cycle with fish, make sure you tank is completely cycled and stable before adding livestock.

Welcome!

lcstorc · 03-03-2009, 07:35 AM

I'm not familiar with that skimmer so I don't know if it is good or bad. Personally, I use ASM G series skimmers so you may want to check that out.
Why the 1 inch sandbed in the fuge? Usually a SSB is there just for appearances. Unless this is a display fuge then I would go with either bare bottom or DSB in the fuge.
Stocking list sounds great if you are not going with a reef. The only fish on the list that would concern me for a reef is the angel and some get away with that.
I'm no good with plumbing and pumps and stuff, so no idea there.

TylerHaworth · 03-03-2009, 03:22 PM

Wow, so many people agree with my plans... not a single complaint!

hickoryhollow · 03-03-2009, 03:35 PM

Ok here goes!!!!! First complaint.... WooHoo! No Green Mandarin? Wheres the Green at? LoL

No honestly your plan seems sound enough should have a strong start.

ReefLady · 03-03-2009, 04:02 PM

We won't complain unless you rush things, or buy things without researching first. :-)

TylerHaworth · 03-03-2009, 05:51 PM

Green Mandarin... They seem a bit more intricate to take care of... I'm too big of a noob to take one on right now... maybe later/space permitting

Rushing... No, won't happen... That's why I'm here asking questions for a tank that won't be wet until the second week of May at the earliest!

I'm feeling pretty confident in my research thus far, my livestock plans seem fairly hardy and easy to maintain/feed/make happy, and also being minimally aggressive.

My fuge won't be for display, purely function... So... Should I go with a more shallow sand bed... if so... how shallow?

TylerHaworth · 03-03-2009, 05:54 PM

Also... can anyone give me a ROUGH ROUGH estimate of how much water will be displaced per pound of rock? I understand some will displace more per pound than others but... general... horribly rough estimation?

Also, about how much water will be displaced by the 75'ish pounds of sand?

hickoryhollow · 03-03-2009, 05:58 PM

Are you talking about the sb in the show tank or the refug? If your talking about the main tank I wouldn't go any shallower than 2 inches. I have a 4 inch sb ( I like the deep sand bed ) In the fefug I would use ocean mud. Or finely crushed coral/aragonite ( 50-50 ).
If I can be of any help just pm me. Good to do a lot of research.

Patrick

hickoryhollow · 03-03-2009, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerHaworth

Also... can anyone give me a ROUGH ROUGH estimate of how much water will be displaced per pound of rock? I understand some will displace more per pound than others but... general... horribly rough estimation?

Also, about how much water will be displaced by the 75'ish pounds of sand?

How big of a tank?

TylerHaworth · 03-03-2009, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hickoryhollow

How big of a tank?

A pound of sand/rock is going to displace the same amount of water regardless of whether it is in a 1 gallon or 1000 gallon tank, the only variable would be the density/porosity of the rock/sand...

Again, I'm just trying to get a general, VERY ROUGH feel of the total volume of water that will be in the system

TylerHaworth · 03-03-2009, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hickoryhollow

Are you talking about the sb in the show tank or the refug? If your talking about the main tank I wouldn't go any shallower than 2 inches. I have a 4 inch sb ( I like the deep sand bed ) In the fefug I would use ocean mud. Or finely crushed coral/aragonite ( 50-50 ).
If I can be of any help just pm me. Good to do a lot of research.

Patrick

I was talking about the SB in the fuge for depth, and since you are suggesting ocean mud or CC/Aragonite for the substrate in the fuge... would you recommend a product similar to Miracle Mud... and... filled to what depth?

The sand bed for the DT will be determined by using the generalization of 1 pound per gallon to start and, if I don't like it when I dump it is in place, I'll go back to the LFS and adjust accordingly... or at least I had planned... should I use a higher starting point than 1 pound/gallon in a standard size rectangular tank... or would it be purely personal preference?

jjohnson3 · 03-03-2009, 06:23 PM

The only thing that I have a concern on is the Bicolor Angelfish. I tried one and it died. The reason it died is because they feed excluively on sponge or at least thats what I have read. You might can try feeding it a frozen food that has sponge in it. Or you can buy a live sponge. Or just pick another Angelfish. Your Choice. I just wanted to give you heads up on that Angel. Looks like you will have a nice, active tank!

03-02-2009, 10:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
TylerHaworth Torch coral Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Huntington, WV Posts: 546 View Gallery Karma Komment	More Newbie Questions I can't figure out how to delete the previous thread I have on the boards, but I have revised my plans so much in the past couple weekds/days or so that I feel the need to start over with my plans, and want as much input as I can get... It's impossible to hurt my feelings First of all, I need opinions on my gear, yo. My plans for livestock: FOWLR 75 Gallon AGA Megaflow Pre-Drilled Display Tank (48x18x20) 20 or 29 Gallon Sump/Refugium Depending on space in cabinet Quiet One 4000 Return Pump Two Hydor Koralia #3 Powerheads Azoo Titanium 300w heater Marineland Marine Pro 100 Protein Skimmer Coralife Aqualights + Lunar Lights 75 Pounds of sand in DT and 1" sandbed in Fuge 50 Pounds of Live Rock in Display Tank and a few chunks in Fuge Livestock Next..... Royal Gramma Oscellaris Clown Purple Firefish Yellow Tang Bicolor Angelfish Cleanup Crew (no crabs... crabs are bad... in or out of the water, Blood Red Shrimp is a must though!) Evaluate Please, and guide me on the path of righteousness, fellow reefers.

03-02-2009, 10:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
Luukosian Plate Coral Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Burlington, IA Posts: 772 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: More Newbie Questions Sounds pretty good, doesnt sound like you are overstocked or anything. I think that amount of rock will probably be fine with the bioload you are going to have in that tank especially since its fish only. Some might argue the yellow tang but I think you will be fine as long as its got plenty of room to swim around. Not sure how aggressive those angels are, I've never had one. __________________ -Anthony

03-02-2009, 11:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
chuck116 Ricordea Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 187 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: More Newbie Questions Hello, my opinion would be to look down the road at the fact that your interests in the stocking of your tank may change. try to get as much flow as you can so you dont have to up grade your pump if you decide to go with some corals later on. Also get the best skimmer you can afford, even if its overkill for your current application. again just my 2 cents I am still new to this whole hobby. GOOD LUCK!

03-03-2009, 07:28 AM	#4 (permalink)
ReefLady Tridacna maxima Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 4,590 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: More Newbie Questions I think your plans look pretty solid. The only recommendation I would have is to add the least aggressive fish first, the most aggressive last. Other than that, just take it slow, don't cycle with fish, make sure you tank is completely cycled and stable before adding livestock. Welcome! __________________ ~ Teri -------- "You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice." ~(currently tankless)~ Our 180g sps tank / DIY adventure (taken down in late 2006): Our 180g DIY Reef Project ---What's next????

03-03-2009, 07:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 26,482 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: More Newbie Questions I'm not familiar with that skimmer so I don't know if it is good or bad. Personally, I use ASM G series skimmers so you may want to check that out. Why the 1 inch sandbed in the fuge? Usually a SSB is there just for appearances. Unless this is a display fuge then I would go with either bare bottom or DSB in the fuge. Stocking list sounds great if you are not going with a reef. The only fish on the list that would concern me for a reef is the angel and some get away with that. I'm no good with plumbing and pumps and stuff, so no idea there. __________________ Peace LYNN Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Lynn's frag tank experiment A reef tank is like a race car. The faster you go the harder you crash.

03-03-2009, 03:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
TylerHaworth Torch coral Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Huntington, WV Posts: 546 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: More Newbie Questions Wow, so many people agree with my plans... not a single complaint!

03-03-2009, 03:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
hickoryhollow Ricordea Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Arkansas Posts: 182 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: More Newbie Questions Ok here goes!!!!! First complaint.... WooHoo! No Green Mandarin? Wheres the Green at? LoL No honestly your plan seems sound enough should have a strong start.

03-03-2009, 04:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
ReefLady Tridacna maxima Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 4,590 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: More Newbie Questions We won't complain unless you rush things, or buy things without researching first. :-) __________________ ~ Teri -------- "You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice." ~(currently tankless)~ Our 180g sps tank / DIY adventure (taken down in late 2006): Our 180g DIY Reef Project ---What's next????

03-03-2009, 05:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
TylerHaworth Torch coral Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Huntington, WV Posts: 546 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: More Newbie Questions Green Mandarin... They seem a bit more intricate to take care of... I'm too big of a noob to take one on right now... maybe later/space permitting Rushing... No, won't happen... That's why I'm here asking questions for a tank that won't be wet until the second week of May at the earliest! I'm feeling pretty confident in my research thus far, my livestock plans seem fairly hardy and easy to maintain/feed/make happy, and also being minimally aggressive. My fuge won't be for display, purely function... So... Should I go with a more shallow sand bed... if so... how shallow?

03-03-2009, 05:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
TylerHaworth Torch coral Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Huntington, WV Posts: 546 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: More Newbie Questions Also... can anyone give me a ROUGH ROUGH estimate of how much water will be displaced per pound of rock? I understand some will displace more per pound than others but... general... horribly rough estimation? Also, about how much water will be displaced by the 75'ish pounds of sand?

03-03-2009, 05:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
hickoryhollow Ricordea Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Arkansas Posts: 182 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: More Newbie Questions Are you talking about the sb in the show tank or the refug? If your talking about the main tank I wouldn't go any shallower than 2 inches. I have a 4 inch sb ( I like the deep sand bed ) In the fefug I would use ocean mud. Or finely crushed coral/aragonite ( 50-50 ). If I can be of any help just pm me. Good to do a lot of research. Patrick

03-03-2009, 06:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
jjohnson3 Elegance coral Join Date: May 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,056 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: More Newbie Questions The only thing that I have a concern on is the Bicolor Angelfish. I tried one and it died. The reason it died is because they feed excluively on sponge or at least thats what I have read. You might can try feeding it a frozen food that has sponge in it. Or you can buy a live sponge. Or just pick another Angelfish. Your Choice. I just wanted to give you heads up on that Angel. Looks like you will have a nice, active tank! __________________ >Jason< reefing........it's an addiction........ Here is how the tank is stocked(this will change) FISH 2-Occelaris Clownfish(mated) 1-Royal Gramma CORAL Pagoda Cup, Open Brain, and 12 awesome LPS frags from PEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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