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Old 02-09-2004, 05:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question can these survive with eachother??



Vertebrates :

Common Clown
Mandarin Dragonet
Yellow Tang
French Angelfish (possibly)
Copperband Butterfly Fish
Pennant Butterfly Fish
Regal Tang
Bangaii Cardinalfish
Naso Tang (possibly)
Stars and Stripes Puffer (or can you suggest another puffer?!)

Invertebrates :

Giant Clams
Sea Urchins
Feather Duster (Hawaii)
Long Spine Urchin
Curly Q Anemone
Flame Scallop
Rainbow Urchin

Cleaners :

Blue Leg Reef Hermit Crab
Cleaner Shrimp
Fire Shrimp
Scarlet Hermit Crab

Other :

Live Rock (probably Tongan, Fiji or Florida Keys)
Live Sand


What types of Anemones would the (do your) Clownfish like? Would they pose a threat/be eaten by any of the other fish?



One last question, what are sumps and refugiums?

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Old 02-09-2004, 06:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow- big plans. First how large is the tank going to be? What type of lighting, skimmer, etc.

I think youre vertibrates would be OK in a very large tank with the exception of the puffer. If you intend to have clams or urchins or other mobile inverts they will be snacks for a puffer. Also the mandarin is a specialised feeder and will require a mature sand bed full of copepods for him to eat. What typeof substrate are you planning?

As for anenomes, most will require a mature tank with intense lighting. Also in my experience with flame scallops they are a specialized feeder and are very difficult to keep alive for any length of time. Also they tend to move out of viewing sight to establish their homes.

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Old 02-09-2004, 07:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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im going out tomorrow to find a suitable tank, and what equipment can fit my budget. i'll post another reply with the details in a few days, since i need to plan the rest...

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Old 02-09-2004, 08:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Common Clown
Mandarin Dragonet
Yellow Tang
French Angelfish (possibly)
Copperband Butterfly Fish
Pennant Butterfly Fish
Regal Tang
Bangaii Cardinalfish
Naso Tang (possibly)
Stars and Stripes Puffer (or can you suggest another puffer?!)
Wow, big tank ... you're talking a 180g at a bare minimum for these fish. I know nothing about Puffers though, sorry.

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Giant Clams
Sea Urchins
Feather Duster (Hawaii)
Long Spine Urchin
Curly Q Anemone
Flame Scallop
Rainbow Urchin
I'm not sure of the compatibility of Angels with the above. I do know that they will tend to pick at many corals, but as far as Clams & Scallops, that I'm not sure. The Butterfly(s) will definitely pick at the Feather Duster.

Flame Scallops are very difficult to keep (long term). The clams are going to need excellent calcium & alkalinity levels maintained, and both the clams and anemone are going to need strong lighting (Metal Halides).

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Blue Leg Reef Hermit Crab
Cleaner Shrimp
Fire Shrimp
Scarlet Hermit Crab
A good mix of snails are a far better choice for cleaners (amongst other critters) than are hermits. Hermits (as all crabs) tend to become predatory/opportunistic feeders. Blue legs are the worst, Your shrimp are okay, except I do believe that Puffers may eat them.

Just so you know - considering the size tank, lighting, etc. you'd need to maintain all the mentioned critters, you're talking somewhere in the range of $5,000.00 - $15,000.00 (American) for a start ... and a lot of these creatures need a stable/established/mature tank in order to survive.

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Old 02-10-2004, 04:10 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Stars and Stripes Puffer (or can you suggest another puffer?!)
I've heard of people acclimating the little spotted puffers and adding them to their saltwater tank. The spotted puffer is normally a brackish water fish, so it's not too stressful on them.
I've also seen people put mollies in saltwater as well, but the trick is to do a slow acclimation (like over a 12-hr period) and they should be fine.
I'm not sure how compatible they would be with other inhabitants, but their mouths are so small I wouldn't think that they'd do much damage to larger inverts like snails, urchins and shrimp.
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Old 02-10-2004, 04:43 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Proud..... You should really be planning your tank / budget etc before deciding on such an extensive list of fish / inverts etc. You will be spending huge amounts of money to accomodate this lot and you will need speciality lighting etc to accomodate clams, anenomoes etc. Your tank will also need to be mature (min 6 months) before you can start putting some of your list in and you should add your bioload very slowly (2 fish a month) to allow the bacteria in the LR to acclimate to the bioload
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Old 02-10-2004, 08:08 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I agree with all of the previous posts- you'll need at LEAST a 180 or 240 gallon tank to accomodate all those critters, plus metal halide lighting, which can get very expensive very fast. You'll also need a heavy duty protein skimmer, heaters, and several powerheads for water movement. If you can't have this large of a tank, you'll have to pick a few of your favorites from your list & stick with those. Once you decide what size tank you can get, we'll be able to help you more with which critters would fit in it, & what equipment you'll need.
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Old 02-10-2004, 08:19 AM   #8 (permalink)
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all very good advice you would do well to listen to this advice and reshearch before you jump in with such a collection of inhabitents.please take this advice or you will certainly be destin for failer and heartace.
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