when to add cheato

ScubaDrew · 08-09-2007, 12:27 PM

Hello everyone, hopefully a few quick questions here:

1. when should i add cheato to my refugium on a new tank
2. what type of light is recommended? seems i've read everything from a normal floodlight to vhos
3. will it survive a cycle (might tie into question 1)

thanks,

Drew

Anselth · 08-09-2007, 12:42 PM

You should be able to add it right away, although I waited until after my cycle. The cycle probably won't harm the chaeto, it'll take up the nitrogenous compounds that it can use, but any hitchhikers you get in it like pods might suffer. And since there's no real need for it until the cycle is complete and you start adding livestock, I'd personally hold off. I light mine with a standard shop spot fixture (around 8 bucks from any home improvement place) and an exterior compact flouresent spot. You can see the kind of bulb I'm talking about at melev's reef.

ScubaDrew · 08-09-2007, 12:52 PM

Perfect! thanks for the info, I'm going to get that equipment together now.

oh - how many watt?

Anselth · 08-09-2007, 01:04 PM

I honestly couldn't tell you, might have been 32 or 19, but I'm half a world away from my tank right now. Find one in that range that has a clear lens, not an opaque one. Look inside to make sure it has a bulb that forms loops, like the compact flourescent bulbs used to save energy in a home.

kinghokus420 · 08-09-2007, 02:02 PM

i found a 100w 5500k daylight curly bulb at home depot for 8 bucks.

Snelly40 · 08-09-2007, 02:12 PM

add cheato as soon as u can

BigAl07 · 08-09-2007, 02:25 PM

Wouldn't adding Cheato now in fact possible prolong the whole cycle?

As for lighting I am running a curly-cue light from Walmart (40w replacement) in a standard desk lamp clamp-on style.

Allen

Snelly40 · 08-09-2007, 02:29 PM

allen, i just dont know the answer to that. I added mine after it was cycled, but i dont see why it would prolong it.
But if it were to prolong it, then as soon after the cycle as u can

i bought a simple flood light as well and it works great

ScubaDrew · 08-09-2007, 02:47 PM

Appreciate all the info guys, I'm off to the depot in 15 minutes - should have my cheato tonight!

Just confirmed my live rock was picked out of the ocean TODAY by tampabayliverock.com and will be HERE tomorrow! Cant wait to have a little bit of my home back in Vermont!

Drew

Dentoid · 08-09-2007, 02:55 PM

BigAl07 · 08-09-2007, 04:00 PM

I can't remember why I was thinking it would prolong the cycle.. maybe I'm dreaming this up as we go... but for some reason I was thinking it would extend it some.

Allen

Snelly40 · 08-09-2007, 04:23 PM

u might be right, im not sure at all

but u seem like a smart guy so it just might.
but in the future we can all agree that cheato will be very beneficial

BigAl07 · 08-09-2007, 05:36 PM

I have been wrong SO many times in this hobby. Fortunately nothing tragic (yet).

I agree that Cheato and a Fuge are the single best thing I have EVER done for my tank. It was the biggest bang for the buck too. It's officially a MUST have for any and EVERY tank I have from now on.

Allen

AQTCJAK · 08-09-2007, 08:58 PM

I have had chaeto under PC's it worked out just fine keeps the growth down to so you are not pulling it out every week & trying to get rid of the extra

Frankie · 08-09-2007, 09:44 PM

I added mine as soon as i got it. That was the same week i set the tank up. Doni sent it to me

Allen, some tanks don't even go through a cycle. It all depends on the quality of the freshwater added and the live rock. I don't see how keeping nutrients down will slow a cycle either. But it is worth finding out about it. I think you brought up a good question there.

08-09-2007, 12:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
ScubaDrew Elegance coral Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Burlington, VT Posts: 1,073 View Gallery Karma Komment	when to add cheato Hello everyone, hopefully a few quick questions here: 1. when should i add cheato to my refugium on a new tank 2. what type of light is recommended? seems i've read everything from a normal floodlight to vhos 3. will it survive a cycle (might tie into question 1) thanks, Drew __________________ www.NorthEastCoral.com My coral and supply website! STT2VT - Chronical

08-09-2007, 12:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Anselth Harlequin Tuskfish Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Jersey Posts: 943 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: when to add cheato You should be able to add it right away, although I waited until after my cycle. The cycle probably won't harm the chaeto, it'll take up the nitrogenous compounds that it can use, but any hitchhikers you get in it like pods might suffer. And since there's no real need for it until the cycle is complete and you start adding livestock, I'd personally hold off. I light mine with a standard shop spot fixture (around 8 bucks from any home improvement place) and an exterior compact flouresent spot. You can see the kind of bulb I'm talking about at melev's reef. __________________ -Adam Learning on the fly My 70 Gallon Reef My 110 Gallon Build

08-09-2007, 12:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
ScubaDrew Elegance coral Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Burlington, VT Posts: 1,073 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: when to add cheato Perfect! thanks for the info, I'm going to get that equipment together now. oh - how many watt? __________________ www.NorthEastCoral.com My coral and supply website! STT2VT - Chronical

08-09-2007, 01:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Anselth Harlequin Tuskfish Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Jersey Posts: 943 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: when to add cheato I honestly couldn't tell you, might have been 32 or 19, but I'm half a world away from my tank right now. Find one in that range that has a clear lens, not an opaque one. Look inside to make sure it has a bulb that forms loops, like the compact flourescent bulbs used to save energy in a home. __________________ -Adam Learning on the fly My 70 Gallon Reef My 110 Gallon Build

08-09-2007, 02:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
kinghokus420 Scopas Tang Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: paradise ca.(northern) Posts: 444 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: when to add cheato i found a 100w 5500k daylight curly bulb at home depot for 8 bucks. __________________ josh Chico Reef Club chicoreefclub.org

08-09-2007, 02:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
Snelly40 Golden Moray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,960 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: when to add cheato add cheato as soon as u can __________________ Snelly's 90gal Reef-O-Rama *Member-"Crabs Are Evil" Society*

08-09-2007, 02:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
BigAl07 Reef Addict (hopeless) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 12,873 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: when to add cheato Wouldn't adding Cheato now in fact possible prolong the whole cycle? As for lighting I am running a curly-cue light from Walmart (40w replacement) in a standard desk lamp clamp-on style. Allen __________________ ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. >((((º> Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...(-NO3=WC%) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!! Allen's testimonial . . ."Let Me help you help YOURSELF" (Click Here) Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Now in STORAGE and Dry-Docked BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

08-09-2007, 02:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
Snelly40 Golden Moray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,960 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: when to add cheato allen, i just dont know the answer to that. I added mine after it was cycled, but i dont see why it would prolong it. But if it were to prolong it, then as soon after the cycle as u can i bought a simple flood light as well and it works great __________________ Snelly's 90gal Reef-O-Rama *Member-"Crabs Are Evil" Society*

08-09-2007, 02:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
ScubaDrew Elegance coral Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Burlington, VT Posts: 1,073 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: when to add cheato Appreciate all the info guys, I'm off to the depot in 15 minutes - should have my cheato tonight! Just confirmed my live rock was picked out of the ocean TODAY by tampabayliverock.com and will be HERE tomorrow! Cant wait to have a little bit of my home back in Vermont! Drew __________________ www.NorthEastCoral.com My coral and supply website! STT2VT - Chronical

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Dentoid Over Achiever Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 10,289 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: when to add cheato __________________ Scott Dentoid's Reeforama

08-09-2007, 04:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
BigAl07 Reef Addict (hopeless) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 12,873 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: when to add cheato I can't remember why I was thinking it would prolong the cycle.. maybe I'm dreaming this up as we go... but for some reason I was thinking it would extend it some. Allen __________________ ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. >((((º> Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...(-NO3=WC%) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!! Allen's testimonial . . ."Let Me help you help YOURSELF" (Click Here) Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Now in STORAGE and Dry-Docked BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

08-09-2007, 04:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
Snelly40 Golden Moray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,960 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: when to add cheato u might be right, im not sure at all but u seem like a smart guy so it just might. but in the future we can all agree that cheato will be very beneficial __________________ Snelly's 90gal Reef-O-Rama *Member-"Crabs Are Evil" Society*

08-09-2007, 05:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
BigAl07 Reef Addict (hopeless) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 12,873 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: when to add cheato I have been wrong SO many times in this hobby. Fortunately nothing tragic (yet). I agree that Cheato and a Fuge are the single best thing I have EVER done for my tank. It was the biggest bang for the buck too. It's officially a MUST have for any and EVERY tank I have from now on. Allen __________________ ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. >((((º> Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...(-NO3=WC%) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!! Allen's testimonial . . ."Let Me help you help YOURSELF" (Click Here) Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Now in STORAGE and Dry-Docked BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

08-09-2007, 08:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
AQTCJAK Tiger Shark Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 7,229 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: when to add cheato I have had chaeto under PC's it worked out just fine keeps the growth down to so you are not pulling it out every week & trying to get rid of the extra __________________ A Wiseman once said build a stage add a pole & they will dance - Jack 2007 www.aquaticaggression.com Projects & Chronicels http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...car-buffs.html http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...nts-tanks.html

08-09-2007, 09:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
Frankie Angel Girl's Daddy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The End Of The World Posts: 8,597 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: when to add cheato I added mine as soon as i got it. That was the same week i set the tank up. Doni sent it to me Allen, some tanks don't even go through a cycle. It all depends on the quality of the freshwater added and the live rock. I don't see how keeping nutrients down will slow a cycle either. But it is worth finding out about it. I think you brought up a good question there. __________________ If we ignore the environment maybe it will just go away....

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