Need Help Quick!

PiscesGirl · 07-13-2006, 12:21 AM

I noticed some floating white stuff in my tank.
Looks like ...floating white stuff...kinda like wet floating skin...my other fish were trying to eat it
I tried grabbing it and it just fell apart.

I looked at my lionfish and it's on it's fins! Like it's shedding or something, which I don't think they do. He seems healthy other than that, although he spent most of the day in the vertical position, but he did swim around some and has also been hidding a lot.

HELP ME!

Am I killing him with my water perameters?
Nitrate 80-100 ()I'm trying to get it under control Did a 5 gal water change then about 8 hours later did a 10 gal change...perameters are the same...I will test and water change again tomorrow.
PH 7.8
Ammonia .25
Nitrite .50

Woodstock · 07-13-2006, 06:52 AM

I am not certain what the 'white stuff' is but it's not good. You need more surface aggitation if things are settling there.

It sounds like your tank is cycling. Adding the large lion and eel at once would have significantly increased the bioload and began a cycle. I highly suggest that you continue to do large (20 gal) daily (or every other day) water changes daily until the nitrAtes are down to 10 ppm or less. I would not feed until the cycle is complete.

To make water changes easier you can get a large Brute trashcan to mix newly made salt water in. Add a pump or powerhead for circulation and a heater and let mix for a day. Then all you have to do is attach a long vinyl hose to the pump/ph and let it pump the new water back into the tank for you. You will still need to hand carry the old water via buckets but atleast it will reduce 1/2 of the labor... As always, test the newly made salt water PRIOR to using it for temp and salinity (if you have a reef, also test for calcium, alkalinity, magnesium).

PiscesGirl · 07-13-2006, 03:27 PM

THanks for the tip on the water changes...I think I'll look for a new home for the lion.

Woodstock · 07-13-2006, 03:39 PM

Yeah, reducing the bioload will help with the nitrAte issue...

PiscesGirl · 07-16-2006, 07:38 PM

Update on water levels:
Nitrate 80
PH 7.8
Ammonia .25
Nitrite: .25

My trites' went down some...all the fish are doing really well???
I was feeding my smaller fish and the lion and eel acted super hungry so I gave them each 2 krill.
They all seem healthy and happy?

KMP · 07-16-2006, 07:56 PM

cool. keep up with the water changes. when my ca and alk was through the roof it took about 2 weeks and 4-5 water changes (every few days) to get things back in check.

Frankie · 07-16-2006, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PiscesGirl

Update on water levels:
Nitrate 80
PH 7.8
Ammonia .25
Nitrite: .25

My trites' went down some...all the fish are doing really well???
I was feeding my smaller fish and the lion and eel acted super hungry so I gave them each 2 krill.
They all seem healthy and happy?

Darn! those fish dont belong in there sweetie. you need to get them out and back to the lfs. the eel might have bit the lion btw.

PiscesGirl · 07-16-2006, 08:03 PM

Actually they get along quite nicely.

lcstorc · 07-16-2006, 09:50 PM

I believe he was referring to the high trates. That is a pretty high level, but unfortunately I had higher in the beginning and most things made it.
Please go on a severe waterchange schedule. I would do about 30% maybe more every 2 or 3 days until they get down to at least 20. Definitely do not add anything else livestock wise to the tank. It really needs to stabalize first.

Frankie · 07-16-2006, 11:25 PM

I was meaning the trates. And the ammonia, the eel can take it but the lion is a bit more delicate. The reason i mentioned the bit was from what your seeing floating could be torn flesh. NBD really but there irritated for sure in that water and could lash out.

PiscesGirl · 07-17-2006, 02:17 PM

oh...hee hee
I see what you are saying.

I am selling all my livestock and I have people interested in the eel and the lion and my two clarkii's

I hate to see them go, but I'd rather they have better homes than take the chance.

Woodstock · 07-17-2006, 02:40 PM

Safe move!~ Karma to ya ~

Frankie · 07-17-2006, 03:46 PM

Ditto! karma smarts~

KMP · 07-17-2006, 03:57 PM

i agree...stabilize and then populate

PiscesGirl · 07-17-2006, 05:18 PM

Wow!
Thanks

07-13-2006, 12:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
PiscesGirl Sea Pen Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 301 View Gallery Karma Komment	Need Help Quick! I noticed some floating white stuff in my tank. Looks like ...floating white stuff...kinda like wet floating skin...my other fish were trying to eat it I tried grabbing it and it just fell apart. I looked at my lionfish and it's on it's fins! Like it's shedding or something, which I don't think they do. He seems healthy other than that, although he spent most of the day in the vertical position, but he did swim around some and has also been hidding a lot. HELP ME! Am I killing him with my water perameters? Nitrate 80-100 ()I'm trying to get it under control Did a 5 gal water change then about 8 hours later did a 10 gal change...perameters are the same...I will test and water change again tomorrow. PH 7.8 Ammonia .25 Nitrite .50 Last edited by PiscesGirl : 07-13-2006 at 01:41 AM.

07-13-2006, 06:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 23,606 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Need Help Quick! I am not certain what the 'white stuff' is but it's not good. You need more surface aggitation if things are settling there. It sounds like your tank is cycling. Adding the large lion and eel at once would have significantly increased the bioload and began a cycle. I highly suggest that you continue to do large (20 gal) daily (or every other day) water changes daily until the nitrAtes are down to 10 ppm or less. I would not feed until the cycle is complete. To make water changes easier you can get a large Brute trashcan to mix newly made salt water in. Add a pump or powerhead for circulation and a heater and let mix for a day. Then all you have to do is attach a long vinyl hose to the pump/ph and let it pump the new water back into the tank for you. You will still need to hand carry the old water via buckets but atleast it will reduce 1/2 of the labor... As always, test the newly made salt water PRIOR to using it for temp and salinity (if you have a reef, also test for calcium, alkalinity, magnesium). __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

07-13-2006, 03:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
PiscesGirl Sea Pen Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 301 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Need Help Quick! THanks for the tip on the water changes...I think I'll look for a new home for the lion.

07-13-2006, 03:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 23,606 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Need Help Quick! Yeah, reducing the bioload will help with the nitrAte issue... __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

07-16-2006, 07:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
PiscesGirl Sea Pen Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 301 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Need Help Quick! Update on water levels: Nitrate 80 PH 7.8 Ammonia .25 Nitrite: .25 My trites' went down some...all the fish are doing really well??? I was feeding my smaller fish and the lion and eel acted super hungry so I gave them each 2 krill. They all seem healthy and happy?

07-16-2006, 07:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
KMP Torch coral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Woodland, CA Posts: 585 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Need Help Quick! cool. keep up with the water changes. when my ca and alk was through the roof it took about 2 weeks and 4-5 water changes (every few days) to get things back in check. __________________ Kenny 24g Aquapod, 24lb Live Rock, 28lb Live Sand, (3) MJ 900s (25.5w, 460gph), Closed Loop Circulation Nanocustoms 4.36 Series Lighting (144w), (2) 36w 10000k Daylights. (2) 36w Actinics, (1) R2 Moonlights

07-16-2006, 08:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
PiscesGirl Sea Pen Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 301 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Need Help Quick! Actually they get along quite nicely.

07-16-2006, 09:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 20,778 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Need Help Quick! I believe he was referring to the high trates. That is a pretty high level, but unfortunately I had higher in the beginning and most things made it. Please go on a severe waterchange schedule. I would do about 30% maybe more every 2 or 3 days until they get down to at least 20. Definitely do not add anything else livestock wise to the tank. It really needs to stabalize first. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back. In Loving Memory Of Z 01/22/07 - 08/19/08

07-16-2006, 11:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
Frankie Angel Girl's Daddy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The End Of The World Posts: 8,497 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Need Help Quick! I was meaning the trates. And the ammonia, the eel can take it but the lion is a bit more delicate. The reason i mentioned the bit was from what your seeing floating could be torn flesh. NBD really but there irritated for sure in that water and could lash out.

07-17-2006, 02:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
PiscesGirl Sea Pen Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 301 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Need Help Quick! oh...hee hee I see what you are saying. I am selling all my livestock and I have people interested in the eel and the lion and my two clarkii's I hate to see them go, but I'd rather they have better homes than take the chance.

07-17-2006, 02:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 23,606 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Need Help Quick! Safe move!~ Karma to ya ~ __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

07-17-2006, 03:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
Frankie Angel Girl's Daddy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The End Of The World Posts: 8,497 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Need Help Quick! Ditto! karma smarts~

07-17-2006, 03:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
KMP Torch coral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Woodland, CA Posts: 585 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Need Help Quick! i agree...stabilize and then populate __________________ Kenny 24g Aquapod, 24lb Live Rock, 28lb Live Sand, (3) MJ 900s (25.5w, 460gph), Closed Loop Circulation Nanocustoms 4.36 Series Lighting (144w), (2) 36w 10000k Daylights. (2) 36w Actinics, (1) R2 Moonlights

07-17-2006, 05:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
PiscesGirl Sea Pen Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 301 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Need Help Quick! Wow! Thanks

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