Leathers and SPS

stilgore · 03-28-2006, 09:30 PM

I was talking to someone in my LFS today and he stated you cannot keep leather corals with SPS. Just wanted to get some other input....is this true?

Thanks,
Stil

mattie · 03-28-2006, 11:03 PM

True= No, but that is good advice.... Leather corals produce a slime coat that they shed from time to time and this slime coat can cover sps corals and cause problems.

Charlie97L · 03-28-2006, 11:46 PM

that's accurate... also, leathers can sense when sps is near, and excrete toxins into the water to kill the sps (chemical warfare)... or any other coral that they get wind of. but sps are like, their natural trigger point. i have a big sinularia, and no sps will be going in my tank as long as it's a resident.

stilgore · 03-29-2006, 09:53 AM

Thanks for the info

Stil

Warnberg · 03-29-2006, 01:25 PM

Hummmmm, I have a large leather and several sps's in my tank and no issues.... but then again my tank is 240 gallons...

Charlie97L · 03-29-2006, 01:59 PM

just like fish, i would guess they can vary on the individual... but i do know the leather has to feel the sps is encroaching on its territory, and they have to be in a certain position in relation to the current. i would think if you're flow was random enough, it wouldn't be able to tell... but i don't know, i've just gotten warnings.

maybe someone else can chime in. i do know it's possible to keep them in larger tanks, as long as they are separated.

this is a breakdown from LA on the sinularia i have... it's considered 'semi-aggressive', but it seems it's not definitely going to attack other coral.

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...cfm?pCatId=673

Dragon Wrasse · 03-29-2006, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie97L

that's accurate... also, leathers can sense when sps is near, and excrete toxins into the water to kill the sps (chemical warfare)... or any other coral that they get wind of. but sps are like, their natural trigger point. i have a big sinularia, and no sps will be going in my tank as long as it's a resident.

I agree with Charlie97L "Chemical Warfare" is a unseen danger amongst corals....a Large water column with good (high) water flow (turn over) and running carbon helps keep this danger to a minimum.

Vanquish · 03-29-2006, 03:02 PM

I agree, if you have small leather corals, you can actually keep SPS with leather corals... having GAC can help absorb some of the toxic/chemicals released by the leather corals...

Charlie97L · 03-29-2006, 03:40 PM

what's gac? i'm tossing bagged carbon in my bubble trap soon... couldn't hurt.

Warnberg · 03-29-2006, 03:57 PM

GAC = Granulated Active Carbon

Charlie97L · 03-29-2006, 04:03 PM

haha.

Chrismo · 03-29-2006, 06:16 PM

I filmed a guy who has a tank with a Huge montpora cap, an it's touching his big leather, and everything seems fine. Monti's are not very aggresive, maybe that helps? I keep leathers out of my own tank, so I was surprised they were touching.

There's a video that here: www.reefvideos.com

Chris

Vanquish · 03-30-2006, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrismo

I filmed a guy who has a tank with a Huge montpora cap, an it's touching his big leather, and everything seems fine. Monti's are not very aggresive, maybe that helps? I keep leathers out of my own tank, so I was surprised they were touching.

There's a video that here: www.reefvideos.com

Chris

If I'm not wrong, not all leather corals excrete slime/toxics that are detrimental to SPS... some are fine.... good water movement and use of GAC would also help alot...

Little Luey · 03-30-2006, 04:06 PM

I have a devil's hand leather and some other softies in my 20gal with a recently added Montipora, the seem to be getting along fine.

Charlie97L · 03-30-2006, 04:19 PM

yeah i think a lot of them are ok... i know sinularia in particular is notorious for attacking... BUT, if your tank has enough flow and correct placement, even then, it could be fine.

03-28-2006, 09:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
stilgore Star Polyps Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lee's Summit, MO Posts: 160 View Gallery Karma Komment	Leathers and SPS I was talking to someone in my LFS today and he stated you cannot keep leather corals with SPS. Just wanted to get some other input....is this true? Thanks, Stil

03-28-2006, 11:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
mattie RS Sponsor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Torrance CA Posts: 522 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Leathers and SPS True= No, but that is good advice.... Leather corals produce a slime coat that they shed from time to time and this slime coat can cover sps corals and cause problems. __________________ www.reef-care.com

03-28-2006, 11:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
Charlie97L Reef Lobster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Bethesda, MD Posts: 1,288 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Leathers and SPS that's accurate... also, leathers can sense when sps is near, and excrete toxins into the water to kill the sps (chemical warfare)... or any other coral that they get wind of. but sps are like, their natural trigger point. i have a big sinularia, and no sps will be going in my tank as long as it's a resident. __________________ 40 Breeder, 20H Frag Aquactinics T5s, CPR Fuge, Deltec AP600, AC Jr, WavySea

03-29-2006, 09:53 AM	#4 (permalink)
stilgore Star Polyps Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lee's Summit, MO Posts: 160 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Leathers and SPS Thanks for the info Stil

03-29-2006, 01:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Warnberg Acropora Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,911 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Leathers and SPS Hummmmm, I have a large leather and several sps's in my tank and no issues.... but then again my tank is 240 gallons... __________________ Dave 240 Gallon Tall Tencor (96"L x 30"T x 18"W) 4 250 Watt MH XM10K bulbs 2-54 Watt T5 Actinic Euro-Reef CS8-2-RC Jetstream 1 Calcium Reactor 4 Tunze Turbelle stream 6000 power heads 7095 Tunze controller

03-29-2006, 01:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
Charlie97L Reef Lobster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Bethesda, MD Posts: 1,288 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Leathers and SPS just like fish, i would guess they can vary on the individual... but i do know the leather has to feel the sps is encroaching on its territory, and they have to be in a certain position in relation to the current. i would think if you're flow was random enough, it wouldn't be able to tell... but i don't know, i've just gotten warnings. maybe someone else can chime in. i do know it's possible to keep them in larger tanks, as long as they are separated. this is a breakdown from LA on the sinularia i have... it's considered 'semi-aggressive', but it seems it's not definitely going to attack other coral. http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...cfm?pCatId=673 __________________ 40 Breeder, 20H Frag Aquactinics T5s, CPR Fuge, Deltec AP600, AC Jr, WavySea

03-29-2006, 03:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
Vanquish Neon dottyback Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 645 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Leathers and SPS I agree, if you have small leather corals, you can actually keep SPS with leather corals... having GAC can help absorb some of the toxic/chemicals released by the leather corals... __________________ *Member "Crabs Are Evil" Society* My love affair with reef-gardening...

03-29-2006, 03:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
Charlie97L Reef Lobster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Bethesda, MD Posts: 1,288 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Leathers and SPS what's gac? i'm tossing bagged carbon in my bubble trap soon... couldn't hurt. __________________ 40 Breeder, 20H Frag Aquactinics T5s, CPR Fuge, Deltec AP600, AC Jr, WavySea

03-29-2006, 03:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
Warnberg Acropora Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,911 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Leathers and SPS GAC = Granulated Active Carbon __________________ Dave 240 Gallon Tall Tencor (96"L x 30"T x 18"W) 4 250 Watt MH XM10K bulbs 2-54 Watt T5 Actinic Euro-Reef CS8-2-RC Jetstream 1 Calcium Reactor 4 Tunze Turbelle stream 6000 power heads 7095 Tunze controller

03-29-2006, 04:03 PM	#11 (permalink)
Charlie97L Reef Lobster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Bethesda, MD Posts: 1,288 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Leathers and SPS haha. __________________ 40 Breeder, 20H Frag Aquactinics T5s, CPR Fuge, Deltec AP600, AC Jr, WavySea

03-29-2006, 06:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
Chrismo Tunicate Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Leathers and SPS I filmed a guy who has a tank with a Huge montpora cap, an it's touching his big leather, and everything seems fine. Monti's are not very aggresive, maybe that helps? I keep leathers out of my own tank, so I was surprised they were touching. There's a video that here: www.reefvideos.com Chris

03-30-2006, 04:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
Little Luey Scopas Tang Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 432 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Leathers and SPS I have a devil's hand leather and some other softies in my 20gal with a recently added Montipora, the seem to be getting along fine. __________________ Little Luey 20Gal, 30 lbs. Live rock. 1 yellow goby 1 firefish 1 rainsford goby 5 turbo snails 1 feather duster 1 devil's hand leather 1 sea grass colony 2 Zoantoids colonies

03-30-2006, 04:19 PM	#15 (permalink)
Charlie97L Reef Lobster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Bethesda, MD Posts: 1,288 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Leathers and SPS yeah i think a lot of them are ok... i know sinularia in particular is notorious for attacking... BUT, if your tank has enough flow and correct placement, even then, it could be fine. __________________ 40 Breeder, 20H Frag Aquactinics T5s, CPR Fuge, Deltec AP600, AC Jr, WavySea

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