Electicity Question - Page 2

slakker · 05-04-2008, 10:05 PM

As noted already, I'd recommend 2-15 or 20 AMP if you're able to do it. Splitting it up helps for backup in case one fuse blows, you don't lose power to everything... enough power is one think, having redundancy is even better...

Gumby · 05-05-2008, 01:20 PM

Hey everyone,
I have been business traveilng on and off since I put this post in, so this is the first I have seen it in the past several days.

Here is what i am doing.....I have a light switch right now that runs the outlet that I have the fishtank on. The problem with that is that my wife babysits little kids who like to flip lightswitches on and off. This creates stress in me, my fish and my corals.

What I want to do is add one or more fuses to the exising panel and run new line from the panel through the crawl space to the existing outlet, thusly cutting the light switch out of the equation and giving me juice to run my tank.

The light switch will then be wired to a ceiling new fan that I will be installing in the fish room.

My brother and I plan on doing this sometime this week.

JWarren · 05-05-2008, 01:46 PM

Light switch wiring to an outlet is known a "J" wiring. The outlet itself may have to be replaced if the jumper has been cut to only allow one socket to be controlled by the switch. Since you are going to run a new line to that outlet any way, switch the outlet out and put in a GFI outlet or even a box that will hold two outlets and do two home runs to the fuse panel. Since your going to be pulling wire anyway, might as well pull two independent lines.

Origami2547 · 05-05-2008, 02:11 PM

I agree with John. The incremental work to pull a 2nd line at this point is minimal as long as you have the room for another circuit in your panel.

JWarren · 05-05-2008, 02:41 PM

Thats true, gotta have a open slot in the panel for the extra circuit.

rbursek · 05-05-2008, 02:54 PM

If you do not have a vaccant spot in your breaker box, depending on what brand you can get duplex breakers, 2 seperate ones that fit in one spot.

JWarren · 05-05-2008, 03:00 PM

I think his first post said he had fuses.

Gumby · 05-05-2008, 03:32 PM

The beauty of this house wiring is that all of it on the level that I want to "fix" is run to the ceiling of the main level (this is a tri-level with crawl space). This is the reason for me to run my own wiring below into the crawl space as its easier for me to locate the outlet.

I am assuming that the "J" will run to the same box in the ceiling before decending to the switch.....am i incorrect?

I was planning on replacing the outlet at the tank (just not sure I will GFCI there or at the fuse box).

JWarren · 05-05-2008, 08:54 PM

"I am assuming that the "J" will run to the same box in the ceiling before decending to the switch.....am i incorrect?"

I thought you said it controls the wall outlet. If that's the case then it runs to the outlet. You will have to run a line to the can in the ceiling from the switch, if you want to control the fan.

Gumby · 05-12-2008, 12:56 PM

Like i said before, I am a self-admitted idiot when it comes to electricity..... I have breakers.....not fuses..... my only excuse is that I am married to a blonde.

BoomerD · 05-12-2008, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gumby

Like i said before, I am a self-admitted idiot when it comes to electricity..... I have breakers.....not fuses..... my only excuse is that I am married to a blonde.

Oh...the old "I'm not a blonde, but I did sleep with one last night" defense eh?

Gumby · 05-12-2008, 03:15 PM

Will it work in this case because i did....as I have for many years......

05-04-2008, 10:05 PM	#16 (permalink)
slakker Serpent Star Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 212 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Electicity Question As noted already, I'd recommend 2-15 or 20 AMP if you're able to do it. Splitting it up helps for backup in case one fuse blows, you don't lose power to everything... enough power is one think, having redundancy is even better...

05-05-2008, 01:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
Gumby Sea Pen Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Miamisburg OH Posts: 327 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Electicity Question Hey everyone, I have been business traveilng on and off since I put this post in, so this is the first I have seen it in the past several days. Here is what i am doing.....I have a light switch right now that runs the outlet that I have the fishtank on. The problem with that is that my wife babysits little kids who like to flip lightswitches on and off. This creates stress in me, my fish and my corals. What I want to do is add one or more fuses to the exising panel and run new line from the panel through the crawl space to the existing outlet, thusly cutting the light switch out of the equation and giving me juice to run my tank. The light switch will then be wired to a ceiling new fan that I will be installing in the fish room. My brother and I plan on doing this sometime this week. __________________ i am the lorax, i speak for the trees 75g: 140+ lbs LR, 90+ lbs LS, 20+/- g sump (w/mixture of bioballs,LS,LR & Macro) coral beauty, bicolor blenny ,java scott damsel,2 clowns, 6 line wrasse and assorted hermits and snails watermelon shrooms and a frogspawn that is ready to split. 2 - #4 Hydor Koralia's Prizm Skimmer - ***TERM II HERE!!!* Lighting - Current Extreme 260 watts - 2 T5 white and 2 actinic with moon light on a timer for 8 to 9 hrs total.

05-05-2008, 01:46 PM	#18 (permalink)
JWarren Achilles Tang Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Saint Lucie, Florida Posts: 869 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Electicity Question Light switch wiring to an outlet is known a "J" wiring. The outlet itself may have to be replaced if the jumper has been cut to only allow one socket to be controlled by the switch. Since you are going to run a new line to that outlet any way, switch the outlet out and put in a GFI outlet or even a box that will hold two outlets and do two home runs to the fuse panel. Since your going to be pulling wire anyway, might as well pull two independent lines. __________________ John Typhoon RO/DI filter unit. The 10 gallon quarantine tank. The 55 gallon. Help build ReefPedia!

05-05-2008, 02:11 PM	#19 (permalink)
Origami2547 Midas Blenny Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ashburn, VA (near DC) Posts: 95 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Electicity Question I agree with John. The incremental work to pull a 2nd line at this point is minimal as long as you have the room for another circuit in your panel.

05-05-2008, 02:41 PM	#20 (permalink)
JWarren Achilles Tang Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Saint Lucie, Florida Posts: 869 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Electicity Question Thats true, gotta have a open slot in the panel for the extra circuit. __________________ John Typhoon RO/DI filter unit. The 10 gallon quarantine tank. The 55 gallon. Help build ReefPedia!

05-05-2008, 02:54 PM	#21 (permalink)
rbursek Serpent Star Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Milw, WI area suburb Posts: 233 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Electicity Question If you do not have a vaccant spot in your breaker box, depending on what brand you can get duplex breakers, 2 seperate ones that fit in one spot. __________________ The difference between a Reef tank and a money shreader is the Tank will trip the GFI! Bret Farve turned #4 into #1!!!!! 120gal tank, 30gal fuge/sump, 2 250w MH, 2 96w Actinics, SPS's, LPS's, fish. Bob

05-05-2008, 03:00 PM	#22 (permalink)
JWarren Achilles Tang Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Saint Lucie, Florida Posts: 869 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Electicity Question I think his first post said he had fuses. __________________ John Typhoon RO/DI filter unit. The 10 gallon quarantine tank. The 55 gallon. Help build ReefPedia!

05-05-2008, 03:32 PM	#23 (permalink)
Gumby Sea Pen Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Miamisburg OH Posts: 327 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Electicity Question The beauty of this house wiring is that all of it on the level that I want to "fix" is run to the ceiling of the main level (this is a tri-level with crawl space). This is the reason for me to run my own wiring below into the crawl space as its easier for me to locate the outlet. I am assuming that the "J" will run to the same box in the ceiling before decending to the switch.....am i incorrect? I was planning on replacing the outlet at the tank (just not sure I will GFCI there or at the fuse box). __________________ i am the lorax, i speak for the trees 75g: 140+ lbs LR, 90+ lbs LS, 20+/- g sump (w/mixture of bioballs,LS,LR & Macro) coral beauty, bicolor blenny ,java scott damsel,2 clowns, 6 line wrasse and assorted hermits and snails watermelon shrooms and a frogspawn that is ready to split. 2 - #4 Hydor Koralia's Prizm Skimmer - ***TERM II HERE!!!* Lighting - Current Extreme 260 watts - 2 T5 white and 2 actinic with moon light on a timer for 8 to 9 hrs total.

05-05-2008, 08:54 PM	#24 (permalink)
JWarren Achilles Tang Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Saint Lucie, Florida Posts: 869 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Electicity Question "I am assuming that the "J" will run to the same box in the ceiling before decending to the switch.....am i incorrect?" I thought you said it controls the wall outlet. If that's the case then it runs to the outlet. You will have to run a line to the can in the ceiling from the switch, if you want to control the fan. __________________ John Typhoon RO/DI filter unit. The 10 gallon quarantine tank. The 55 gallon. Help build ReefPedia!

05-12-2008, 12:56 PM	#25 (permalink)
Gumby Sea Pen Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Miamisburg OH Posts: 327 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Electicity Question Like i said before, I am a self-admitted idiot when it comes to electricity..... I have breakers.....not fuses..... my only excuse is that I am married to a blonde. __________________ i am the lorax, i speak for the trees 75g: 140+ lbs LR, 90+ lbs LS, 20+/- g sump (w/mixture of bioballs,LS,LR & Macro) coral beauty, bicolor blenny ,java scott damsel,2 clowns, 6 line wrasse and assorted hermits and snails watermelon shrooms and a frogspawn that is ready to split. 2 - #4 Hydor Koralia's Prizm Skimmer - ***TERM II HERE!!!* Lighting - Current Extreme 260 watts - 2 T5 white and 2 actinic with moon light on a timer for 8 to 9 hrs total.

05-12-2008, 03:15 PM	#27 (permalink)
Gumby Sea Pen Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Miamisburg OH Posts: 327 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Electicity Question Will it work in this case because i did....as I have for many years...... __________________ i am the lorax, i speak for the trees 75g: 140+ lbs LR, 90+ lbs LS, 20+/- g sump (w/mixture of bioballs,LS,LR & Macro) coral beauty, bicolor blenny ,java scott damsel,2 clowns, 6 line wrasse and assorted hermits and snails watermelon shrooms and a frogspawn that is ready to split. 2 - #4 Hydor Koralia's Prizm Skimmer - ***TERM II HERE!!!* Lighting - Current Extreme 260 watts - 2 T5 white and 2 actinic with moon light on a timer for 8 to 9 hrs total.

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