Topic for the week August 7 {Flow} - Page 2

TDEVIL · 08-08-2006, 02:31 PM

nice post Michelle

there are many different ways to creat Proper flow, from surge tanks to pwr heads

this is a very under rated topic and actually one of the most important, in any type of reef set-up there is always a commonality, which is flow

another thing to keep in mind is rock and the corals themselves and their placement, as corals grow the flow can change

here is a good read

the first in a series
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2006/6/aafeature2

Jay

billyr98 · 08-08-2006, 02:56 PM

Michelle- very nice informational post... It sounds like what you want is like a surge method... This method is before i was in the hobby, anyone have any info to post about this?

Frankie · 08-08-2006, 05:38 PM

Michelle's quote: The one system that I would love to be able to find a way of putting on my tank is an actual wave maker, not one of those electonic things that turn pumps on and off in random order but a bucket placed above that tank that fills and empties quickly to create the most natural wave motions![/quote]

Yes this is a surge tank setup. Once im done building the doors i'll be doing that next. I mentioned it in my tank journal a few months passed.
The concept is to syphon water from the tank itself not the sump until a tank above it fills to a breaking point. Then the surge tank dumps the water back into the main tank causing a wave surge like on a natural reef. Theres a decent set up on a tank in the book "Ultimate Marine Aquariums".
If anyones done this before id like to read about it here.
The trouble with the one i saw in that book was when the surge tank was finishing emptying, it would suck air into the return causing bubbles in the end. Not very sightly. I have a few idea's on how to remedy this problem and will adress it when i build the surge tank. I also don't like the output he has on that return. Its just a bulk head and shoots a streem. i want it to be flat and wide.

Woodstock · 08-08-2006, 06:09 PM

Modification #1
http://www.reefchili.com/MJmods.html

Modification #2
http://www.geocities.com/nivenboug/Cutmaxijets.html

Move your mouse over the photo to see the water flow directional change...

boozeman · 08-08-2006, 06:52 PM

In his book 'Aquarium Corals' Borneman describes(pg. 341) the construction of his 'wave surge' flush device. looking at the diagram I believe it works in the same way a toilet tank does lol.
looks something like this...
http://www.jensalt.com/surge1.jpg

Frankie · 08-08-2006, 11:17 PM

Kool boozeman, thanks for the picture. I have seen alot of them but not that one.
http://www.planet-reef.com/surge1.htm

billyr98 · 08-09-2006, 02:45 PM

Another discussion for flow...

How many people have flow in the back of their reefs? I have nothing behind but enough hitting all sides and front...

Gina · 08-09-2006, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billyr98

Another discussion for flow...

How many people have flow in the back of their reefs? I have nothing behind but enough hitting all sides and front...

I can tell you for sure I don't!
Am in the planning of adding some.

I also kinda like these "wave surge" ideas.
Something to think about.

Woodstock · 08-09-2006, 03:09 PM

Good question Billy... I currently do not have decent flow behind the rocks. I have tried to compensate with large caves on the lower level. Doing this has worked okay, but on my next aquascaping, I will not 'stack' the rocks against the back glass so I can have better flow there.

cheeks69 · 08-09-2006, 04:41 PM

Quote:

How many people have flow in the back of their reefs?

I have most of my rock away from the back wall only two pieces touch and they're off the substrate. Both my loc-line nozzles are directed at the back so I have good flow throughout the tank. I don't have alot of LR which definitely helps.

Frankie · 08-09-2006, 08:23 PM

just a bit back there

lcstorc · 08-09-2006, 10:11 PM

All my rock is in the middle of the tank so I have flow all around. My tank is viewable from 3 sides so there is room for a mag float minimum between the rock and glass except the wall with the overflow. I really think I need more flow though. I need to get out that head loss calculator I got from somebody and see what my net flow is.

Charlie97L · 09-15-2006, 03:59 PM

just so you guys know, i've been running the MJ mods on 1200s for a while now, and while they are great, and open up the ph's amazingly well, they can't be used on a wave timer.

this has to do with the mj changing directions every time it turns on, which won't affect anything in it's normal configuration, but since the upgraded impellar is directional, it would be turning the wrong way. it uses a bump stop to kick back, and often gets stuck, in my experience. i don't know if this affects the life of the pumps.

Woodstock · 09-15-2006, 08:38 PM

Good to know. Thanks Charlie!

Witfull · 09-15-2006, 08:46 PM

i have heard good results with just cutting the outlet flush with the housing, wide spread and opposite flow with kick-ins.

08-08-2006, 02:31 PM	#16 (permalink)
TDEVIL Elegance coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marion, INDIANA Posts: 1,170 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Topic for the week August 7 {Flow} nice post Michelle there are many different ways to creat Proper flow, from surge tanks to pwr heads this is a very under rated topic and actually one of the most important, in any type of reef set-up there is always a commonality, which is flow another thing to keep in mind is rock and the corals themselves and their placement, as corals grow the flow can change here is a good read the first in a series http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2006/6/aafeature2 Jay __________________ my web site <-- needs updated

08-08-2006, 02:56 PM	#17 (permalink)
billyr98 Reefing Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 5,400 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Topic for the week August 7 {Flow} Michelle- very nice informational post... It sounds like what you want is like a surge method... This method is before i was in the hobby, anyone have any info to post about this? __________________ Billyr98 -=NJRC Treasurer=- My 450g Reef Tank ~~~ Its HERE!!!

08-08-2006, 05:38 PM	#18 (permalink)
Frankie Angel Girl's Daddy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The End Of The World Posts: 8,052 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Topic for the week August 7 {Flow} Michelle's quote: The one system that I would love to be able to find a way of putting on my tank is an actual wave maker, not one of those electonic things that turn pumps on and off in random order but a bucket placed above that tank that fills and empties quickly to create the most natural wave motions![/quote] Yes this is a surge tank setup. Once im done building the doors i'll be doing that next. I mentioned it in my tank journal a few months passed. The concept is to syphon water from the tank itself not the sump until a tank above it fills to a breaking point. Then the surge tank dumps the water back into the main tank causing a wave surge like on a natural reef. Theres a decent set up on a tank in the book "Ultimate Marine Aquariums". If anyones done this before id like to read about it here. The trouble with the one i saw in that book was when the surge tank was finishing emptying, it would suck air into the return causing bubbles in the end. Not very sightly. I have a few idea's on how to remedy this problem and will adress it when i build the surge tank. I also don't like the output he has on that return. Its just a bulk head and shoots a streem. i want it to be flat and wide.

08-08-2006, 06:09 PM	#19 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 23,260 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Maxi Jet Modification Modification #1 http://www.reefchili.com/MJmods.html Modification #2 http://www.geocities.com/nivenboug/Cutmaxijets.html Move your mouse over the photo to see the water flow directional change... __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My QT/Hospital Tank* ~120 Reef Chronicle ~ *~Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________ 120 mixed reef, dual Reeflux 10k 250 MHs, dual Geiseman Actinic T5s,Neptune AC III, ASM g3, 2x Korallia #3, Mag 9.5 return

08-08-2006, 06:52 PM	#20 (permalink)
boozeman The CodFather ~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: new york Posts: 8,800 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Topic for the week August 7 {Flow} In his book 'Aquarium Corals' Borneman describes(pg. 341) the construction of his 'wave surge' flush device. looking at the diagram I believe it works in the same way a toilet tank does lol. looks something like this... http://www.jensalt.com/surge1.jpg __________________ ...and when I'm old and wise little things mean little to me like autumn winds they'll blow right through me and someday, in the mist of time when they ask you if you knew me remember that you were a friend of mine

08-08-2006, 11:17 PM	#21 (permalink)
Frankie Angel Girl's Daddy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The End Of The World Posts: 8,052 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Topic for the week August 7 {Flow} Kool boozeman, thanks for the picture. I have seen alot of them but not that one. http://www.planet-reef.com/surge1.htm

08-09-2006, 02:45 PM	#22 (permalink)
billyr98 Reefing Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 5,400 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Topic for the week August 7 {Flow} Another discussion for flow... How many people have flow in the back of their reefs? I have nothing behind but enough hitting all sides and front... __________________ Billyr98 -=NJRC Treasurer=- My 450g Reef Tank ~~~ Its HERE!!!

08-09-2006, 03:09 PM	#24 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 23,260 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Topic for the week August 7 {Flow} Good question Billy... I currently do not have decent flow behind the rocks. I have tried to compensate with large caves on the lower level. Doing this has worked okay, but on my next aquascaping, I will not 'stack' the rocks against the back glass so I can have better flow there. __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My QT/Hospital Tank* ~120 Reef Chronicle ~ *~Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________ 120 mixed reef, dual Reeflux 10k 250 MHs, dual Geiseman Actinic T5s,Neptune AC III, ASM g3, 2x Korallia #3, Mag 9.5 return

08-09-2006, 08:23 PM	#26 (permalink)
Frankie Angel Girl's Daddy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The End Of The World Posts: 8,052 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Topic for the week August 7 {Flow} just a bit back there Last edited by Frankie : 01-08-2007 at 11:09 PM.

08-09-2006, 10:11 PM	#27 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 20,003 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Topic for the week August 7 {Flow} All my rock is in the middle of the tank so I have flow all around. My tank is viewable from 3 sides so there is room for a mag float minimum between the rock and glass except the wall with the overflow. I really think I need more flow though. I need to get out that head loss calculator I got from somebody and see what my net flow is. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back. In Loving Memory Of Z 01/22/07 - 08/19/08

09-15-2006, 03:59 PM	#28 (permalink)
Charlie97L Reef Lobster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Bethesda, MD Posts: 1,288 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Topic for the week August 7 {Flow} just so you guys know, i've been running the MJ mods on 1200s for a while now, and while they are great, and open up the ph's amazingly well, they can't be used on a wave timer. this has to do with the mj changing directions every time it turns on, which won't affect anything in it's normal configuration, but since the upgraded impellar is directional, it would be turning the wrong way. it uses a bump stop to kick back, and often gets stuck, in my experience. i don't know if this affects the life of the pumps. __________________ 40 Breeder, 20H Frag Aquactinics T5s, CPR Fuge, Deltec AP600, AC Jr, WavySea

09-15-2006, 08:38 PM	#29 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 23,260 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Topic for the week August 7 {Flow} Good to know. Thanks Charlie! __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My QT/Hospital Tank* ~120 Reef Chronicle ~ *~Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________ 120 mixed reef, dual Reeflux 10k 250 MHs, dual Geiseman Actinic T5s,Neptune AC III, ASM g3, 2x Korallia #3, Mag 9.5 return

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