PH/alkalinity

Shells · 12-02-2005, 03:09 PM

Hi!
I've got a question on ph/alkalinity.
I've got a saddle anemone. He's not doing too good..

My PH last night was 8.44, alkalinity was 7.7. (150gal with 40gal sump, about 1/3 full) I dosed for alkalinity,
but did not retest (I added two teasponse of Reef builder) as it was way past my bedtime and I didnt want to add too much at once.

Could this odd combination of ph/alkalinity be causing
the anemone to act up?? He is deflated upside down.
I roll him over and the clown fish makes him tople. Monday I feed shrimp to the 3 anemones i have and
he was the only one that did not eat.

The saddle was doing pretty good. I've had him about,
2 months.

This evening, i am going to test for everything!!!

Any thoughts?

cheeks69 · 12-02-2005, 09:08 PM

Any sudden changes in parameters is not good for Anemones they need a stable tank to thrive. Saddles are one of the hardier anemones, how often do you feed ? What type of lighting do you have ? Is it sticky or does it retract when you touch it ? Has it lost it's color at all ?

Warnberg · 12-02-2005, 09:14 PM

Just an FYI... if you think the anemone is going to die, get it out quick.... depending on the size of the tank an anemone dieing can fowl a tank very quickly.....

scuba22 · 12-03-2005, 01:10 AM

Hey how do you manage such a high PH, and with a PH of almost 8.5, why did you buffer? I am relatively new and just wondering, not challenging you at all..
My PH lives at 8-8.2 w/ a KH of about 11 and I have been told that buffr (or bicarb) has a PH of 8 so, the additon is futile. I have tried increasing water movement to no avail - I've finally broken down and bough live ocean water..
but enuf of me and my low PH woes...

Is it possoble that the anemone is ecreting waste - I had one that turned 'insideout' for days until he was done with the excrement phase..

cheeks69 · 12-03-2005, 11:11 AM

Quote:

I had one that turned 'insideout' for days until he was done with the excrement phase..

Scuba that's usually an indication of your Anemone expelling it's zooxanthellea because of severe stress did it survive ?

Boomer · 12-03-2005, 12:09 PM

Scuba

PH of almost 8.5, why did you buffer?

A high pH does not mean a high alk. Tanks witha allot of algae can have a high pH and low alk, as the algae will feed off the bicarb to get CO2

HCO3- - 1 H and 1 O = CO2

Scub & Bob

Is it possoble that the anemone is ecreting waste - I had one that turned 'insideout' for days until he was done with the excrement phase..

that's usually an indication of your Anemone expelling it's zooxanthellea [because of severe stress did it survive ?

No, not always, often it is just the anmeone expellng its water. It is like a self induced water change. Most of the carpet type anemones size is contributed to 90%-95% water. It is the water that makes them expand and contract, water in water out, big to small back to big. Noramally, if the the anemones internal water chemistry is fairly off, from that of the surrounding water chemistry for a period of time, they will do this. It often takes a couple of days or more. However, sick anemones often do the same thing.

scuba22 · 12-03-2005, 01:18 PM

Yes, the anemone did survive.. I wish I remembered more details but it was in 1990 when I was first introduced to reef tanks and I was a very naive student at the time.
Boomer, thank you for the buffer info - I am trying to get a good grasp of water chemistry, in an effort to maintin quality and a higher PH.
Can you suggest some reading? (I have tried to online marine aquarist magazine and find it to be a bit over my head) my organice chemistry days were 20+ years ago!

Boomer · 12-03-2005, 02:18 PM

The Relationship Between Alkalinity and pH.
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/may2002/chem.htm

What is Alkalinity
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu.../chemistry.htm

Solutions to pH Problems
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...e2002/chem.htm

So, you have seen these I take it ? I have something at home that is easier I think. I will post it tomorrow (I', not at home).

scuba22 · 12-03-2005, 04:30 PM

Thanks Boomer - I really appreciate the help!

Shells -how's things going?

Boomer · 12-05-2005, 01:47 PM

Does this help. It is one of my secret websites

http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/CO2/ha...arryfrank.html

More

http://www.cotf.edu/ete/modules/waterq3/WQassess3b.html

http://www.reefs.org/library/talklog...en_090797.html

http://www.fisheries.nsw.gov.au/aqua...y_and_hardness

http://www.ashchem.com/ascc/drewmar/pubs.asp and down load the PDF on Alk pH

How Alk is measured
http://www.norweco.com/html/lab/test...ds/2320bfp.htm

http://www.geochemie.uni-bremen.de/k...lkalinity.html

Alk of the oceans
http://odv.awi-bremerhaven.de/data/o...nity-tco2.html

12-02-2005, 03:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
Shells Sea Pen Join Date: May 2005 Location: Biloxi, MS Posts: 314 View Gallery Karma Komment	PH/alkalinity Hi! I've got a question on ph/alkalinity. I've got a saddle anemone. He's not doing too good.. My PH last night was 8.44, alkalinity was 7.7. (150gal with 40gal sump, about 1/3 full) I dosed for alkalinity, but did not retest (I added two teasponse of Reef builder) as it was way past my bedtime and I didnt want to add too much at once. Could this odd combination of ph/alkalinity be causing the anemone to act up?? He is deflated upside down. I roll him over and the clown fish makes him tople. Monday I feed shrimp to the 3 anemones i have and he was the only one that did not eat. The saddle was doing pretty good. I've had him about, 2 months. This evening, i am going to test for everything!!! Any thoughts?

12-02-2005, 09:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
cheeks69 Wannabe Guru Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,386 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: PH/alkalinity Any sudden changes in parameters is not good for Anemones they need a stable tank to thrive. Saddles are one of the hardier anemones, how often do you feed ? What type of lighting do you have ? Is it sticky or does it retract when you touch it ? Has it lost it's color at all ? __________________ Robert My Cube “A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” Albert Einstein

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Warnberg Acropora Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,911 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: PH/alkalinity Just an FYI... if you think the anemone is going to die, get it out quick.... depending on the size of the tank an anemone dieing can fowl a tank very quickly..... __________________ Dave 240 Gallon Tall Tencor (96"L x 30"T x 18"W) 4 250 Watt MH XM10K bulbs 2-54 Watt T5 Actinic Euro-Reef CS8-2-RC Jetstream 1 Calcium Reactor 4 Tunze Turbelle stream 6000 power heads 7095 Tunze controller

12-03-2005, 01:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
scuba22 Star Polyps Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 172 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: PH/alkalinity Hey how do you manage such a high PH, and with a PH of almost 8.5, why did you buffer? I am relatively new and just wondering, not challenging you at all.. My PH lives at 8-8.2 w/ a KH of about 11 and I have been told that buffr (or bicarb) has a PH of 8 so, the additon is futile. I have tried increasing water movement to no avail - I've finally broken down and bough live ocean water.. but enuf of me and my low PH woes... Is it possoble that the anemone is ecreting waste - I had one that turned 'insideout' for days until he was done with the excrement phase.. __________________ Michele's Myocaridum D i g i t a l E x p r e s s i o n s http://micheles-myocardium.com

12-03-2005, 12:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
Boomer Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,608 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: PH/alkalinity Scuba PH of almost 8.5, why did you buffer? A high pH does not mean a high alk. Tanks witha allot of algae can have a high pH and low alk, as the algae will feed off the bicarb to get CO2 HCO3- - 1 H and 1 O = CO2 Scub & Bob Is it possoble that the anemone is ecreting waste - I had one that turned 'insideout' for days until he was done with the excrement phase.. that's usually an indication of your Anemone expelling it's zooxanthellea [because of severe stress did it survive ? No, not always, often it is just the anmeone expellng its water. It is like a self induced water change. Most of the carpet type anemones size is contributed to 90%-95% water. It is the water that makes them expand and contract, water in water out, big to small back to big. Noramally, if the the anemones internal water chemistry is fairly off, from that of the surrounding water chemistry for a period of time, they will do this. It often takes a couple of days or more. However, sick anemones often do the same thing. __________________ Boomer Want to Talk Chemistry ! The Reef Chemistry Forum Want to See More ! The Coral Realm If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

12-03-2005, 01:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
scuba22 Star Polyps Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 172 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: PH/alkalinity Yes, the anemone did survive.. I wish I remembered more details but it was in 1990 when I was first introduced to reef tanks and I was a very naive student at the time. Boomer, thank you for the buffer info - I am trying to get a good grasp of water chemistry, in an effort to maintin quality and a higher PH. Can you suggest some reading? (I have tried to online marine aquarist magazine and find it to be a bit over my head) my organice chemistry days were 20+ years ago! __________________ Michele's Myocaridum D i g i t a l E x p r e s s i o n s http://micheles-myocardium.com

12-03-2005, 02:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
Boomer Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,608 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: PH/alkalinity The Relationship Between Alkalinity and pH. http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/may2002/chem.htm What is Alkalinity http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu.../chemistry.htm Solutions to pH Problems http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...e2002/chem.htm So, you have seen these I take it ? I have something at home that is easier I think. I will post it tomorrow (I', not at home). __________________ Boomer Want to Talk Chemistry ! The Reef Chemistry Forum Want to See More ! The Coral Realm If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

12-03-2005, 04:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
scuba22 Star Polyps Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 172 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: PH/alkalinity Thanks Boomer - I really appreciate the help! Shells -how's things going? __________________ Michele's Myocaridum D i g i t a l E x p r e s s i o n s http://micheles-myocardium.com

12-05-2005, 01:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
Boomer Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,608 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: PH/alkalinity Does this help. It is one of my secret websites http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/CO2/ha...arryfrank.html More http://www.cotf.edu/ete/modules/waterq3/WQassess3b.html http://www.reefs.org/library/talklog...en_090797.html http://www.fisheries.nsw.gov.au/aqua...y_and_hardness http://www.ashchem.com/ascc/drewmar/pubs.asp and down load the PDF on Alk pH How Alk is measured http://www.norweco.com/html/lab/test...ds/2320bfp.htm http://www.geochemie.uni-bremen.de/k...lkalinity.html Alk of the oceans http://odv.awi-bremerhaven.de/data/o...nity-tco2.html __________________ Boomer Want to Talk Chemistry ! The Reef Chemistry Forum Want to See More ! The Coral Realm If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

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