problem with zoos

john · 12-02-2005, 01:18 AM

i bought these zoos at the lfs about a month ago and they were beautiful.i aclimated them properly but my lighting is much brighter than the tank they were in.the zoos only open about half way and iv moved them into shade and they still wont open all the way.will they eventualy open all the way or did i mess them up permenantly by not acclimating to the light????any suggestions?? temp-78,ph-8.0,alk-2.9,sal-1.023 400 watt lights. thanks

Woodstock · 12-02-2005, 07:10 AM

How long has it been since you moved them to the shaded spot? Also, there are other things that could be different besides the lighting.... ask your LFS what salinity and alk they keep their tanks (yours seems a bit low). Keep an eye open for any predatory nudibranches too.

Craig Manoukian · 12-02-2005, 09:41 AM

john,

What size tank do you have and how far from the light source do you have them placed?

john · 12-02-2005, 01:01 PM

they have been in the shade for about 2 weeks ,i have a 180 gallon tank and the zoos are on the bottom shaded

Warnberg · 12-02-2005, 02:11 PM

Tell me what type of lighting where they under and what type are they under now? Also how much water movenment do you have around them? Zoo's are pretty tough.

john · 12-02-2005, 03:02 PM

not sure of the lighting at the lfs but i have 3-400 watt 10k mhs and the zooz are getting low to med current

Warnberg · 12-02-2005, 08:12 PM

Ok, did you dip (Zoo Dip) them before you put them in the tank? Are they opening at all? Zoo's typically will go thru a color shift under differant lighting conditions (at least mine did). I found the more light the better they have done, however you can over do it.... just give them some time and I am sure they will come back... by the way Zoo's seem to like Nitrates, also to encourage them to open up for you run your actinics a little longer and the white lights a little shorter.

Just so you know, when I put my Zoo's in the tank they where acclimated for about 5 minutes... Zoo's can handle a freash water dip so acclimation is not that important.

JMO

john · 12-02-2005, 09:56 PM

they open about half with the mhs and about 3/4 with just the actinics and like a moron i didnt dip them first,i have some dip now but probably to late eh??? by the way,i only run my halides 6 hours a day as it is.

Warnberg · 12-02-2005, 10:01 PM

it won't hurt them to dip them now, if there are nidi's eating them them they really have a hard time.... dip them, look for eggs, then wait about 4 to 6 weeks and dip them again... better to be safe than sorry.... a 6 line will help if there are nudi's as well... jmo.

john · 12-02-2005, 10:05 PM

thanks for the help warn!! ill go dip them now

Warnberg · 12-02-2005, 10:07 PM

You do have the Zoo dip reciepe? if so go for it.... if not search for the reciepe

scuba22 · 12-03-2005, 01:15 AM

can you explain Zoo-dip to me? I hate to see naive but ..how do you 'dip'?
Zoos are my nest planed addition.
what type of movement /lighting do they need? and who are their natural predators?

thanks and John, I hope the dips helps your Zoos..you have a gorgeous reef!

Michele

Warnberg · 12-03-2005, 10:33 AM

Scuba22, do a search on this site for Zoo Dip, I posted an artical about it some time ago and exactly how to do it. There is a Nudi that will eat them and I believe flat worms will eat them as well other than that I'm not sure. Right now I have my zoo's in the lower half of my tank (30 inches tall) under T5 lighting, this same tank is housing SPS's as well in the upper half to give you an idea. I also have two Tunze's in there for flow, the Zoo's get a good blast once in a while from the Tunze's.

Here is a link to the thread.... hope it works.

White tiny specks on my Zoo's?

john · 12-03-2005, 11:36 PM

eh warn,i dipped them and noticed about 5 little critters die off so hopefully the dip will cure my problems!!thanks again

ps scuba,i have a new camera coming and i plan to post new pics.those are about a year old and the camera sucked.tank is much nicer now

FragMaster · 12-04-2005, 12:13 AM

Did they resemble small nudibranch's with bta like extentions?
If so they are zoo eating nudis.
BTW Zoanthids dont require as much acclimation to light as other corals so they should be fine soon.
It is totaly normal for certain types to take up to two months to open up fully.
ESPECIALY Protopalythoa colonies!
As long as they are getting plenty of flow and are at least opening uphalf way exposing most of thier disk, and mouth they will be fine until they decide to open fully.
Hope this helps!
OOPS!
ALSO CHECK FOR HIGH NITRATES They hate high trates!
If you have them to close to or downcurrent of a large colony of shrooms or rics they will compete chemicly and act the same way.

12-02-2005, 01:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
john Ricordea Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 188 View Gallery Karma Komment	problem with zoos i bought these zoos at the lfs about a month ago and they were beautiful.i aclimated them properly but my lighting is much brighter than the tank they were in.the zoos only open about half way and iv moved them into shade and they still wont open all the way.will they eventualy open all the way or did i mess them up permenantly by not acclimating to the light????any suggestions?? temp-78,ph-8.0,alk-2.9,sal-1.023 400 watt lights. thanks

12-02-2005, 07:10 AM	#2 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,502 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: problem with zoos How long has it been since you moved them to the shaded spot? Also, there are other things that could be different besides the lighting.... ask your LFS what salinity and alk they keep their tanks (yours seems a bit low). Keep an eye open for any predatory nudibranches too. __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Victorious Battle with ICH* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistance conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

12-02-2005, 09:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 19,012 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: problem with zoos john, What size tank do you have and how far from the light source do you have them placed? __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

12-02-2005, 01:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
john Ricordea Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 188 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: problem with zoos they have been in the shade for about 2 weeks ,i have a 180 gallon tank and the zoos are on the bottom shaded

12-02-2005, 02:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
Warnberg Acropora Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,911 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: problem with zoos Tell me what type of lighting where they under and what type are they under now? Also how much water movenment do you have around them? Zoo's are pretty tough. __________________ Dave 240 Gallon Tall Tencor (96"L x 30"T x 18"W) 4 250 Watt MH XM10K bulbs 2-54 Watt T5 Actinic Euro-Reef CS8-2-RC Jetstream 1 Calcium Reactor 4 Tunze Turbelle stream 6000 power heads 7095 Tunze controller

12-02-2005, 03:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
john Ricordea Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 188 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: problem with zoos not sure of the lighting at the lfs but i have 3-400 watt 10k mhs and the zooz are getting low to med current

12-02-2005, 08:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
Warnberg Acropora Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,911 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: problem with zoos Ok, did you dip (Zoo Dip) them before you put them in the tank? Are they opening at all? Zoo's typically will go thru a color shift under differant lighting conditions (at least mine did). I found the more light the better they have done, however you can over do it.... just give them some time and I am sure they will come back... by the way Zoo's seem to like Nitrates, also to encourage them to open up for you run your actinics a little longer and the white lights a little shorter. Just so you know, when I put my Zoo's in the tank they where acclimated for about 5 minutes... Zoo's can handle a freash water dip so acclimation is not that important. JMO __________________ Dave 240 Gallon Tall Tencor (96"L x 30"T x 18"W) 4 250 Watt MH XM10K bulbs 2-54 Watt T5 Actinic Euro-Reef CS8-2-RC Jetstream 1 Calcium Reactor 4 Tunze Turbelle stream 6000 power heads 7095 Tunze controller

12-02-2005, 09:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
john Ricordea Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 188 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: problem with zoos they open about half with the mhs and about 3/4 with just the actinics and like a moron i didnt dip them first,i have some dip now but probably to late eh??? by the way,i only run my halides 6 hours a day as it is.

12-02-2005, 10:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
Warnberg Acropora Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,911 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: problem with zoos it won't hurt them to dip them now, if there are nidi's eating them them they really have a hard time.... dip them, look for eggs, then wait about 4 to 6 weeks and dip them again... better to be safe than sorry.... a 6 line will help if there are nudi's as well... jmo. __________________ Dave 240 Gallon Tall Tencor (96"L x 30"T x 18"W) 4 250 Watt MH XM10K bulbs 2-54 Watt T5 Actinic Euro-Reef CS8-2-RC Jetstream 1 Calcium Reactor 4 Tunze Turbelle stream 6000 power heads 7095 Tunze controller

12-02-2005, 10:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
john Ricordea Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 188 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: problem with zoos thanks for the help warn!! ill go dip them now

12-02-2005, 10:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
Warnberg Acropora Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,911 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: problem with zoos You do have the Zoo dip reciepe? if so go for it.... if not search for the reciepe __________________ Dave 240 Gallon Tall Tencor (96"L x 30"T x 18"W) 4 250 Watt MH XM10K bulbs 2-54 Watt T5 Actinic Euro-Reef CS8-2-RC Jetstream 1 Calcium Reactor 4 Tunze Turbelle stream 6000 power heads 7095 Tunze controller

12-03-2005, 01:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
scuba22 Star Polyps Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 172 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: problem with zoos can you explain Zoo-dip to me? I hate to see naive but ..how do you 'dip'? Zoos are my nest planed addition. what type of movement /lighting do they need? and who are their natural predators? thanks and John, I hope the dips helps your Zoos..you have a gorgeous reef! Michele __________________ Michele's Myocaridum D i g i t a l E x p r e s s i o n s http://micheles-myocardium.com

12-03-2005, 10:33 AM	#13 (permalink)
Warnberg Acropora Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,911 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: problem with zoos Scuba22, do a search on this site for Zoo Dip, I posted an artical about it some time ago and exactly how to do it. There is a Nudi that will eat them and I believe flat worms will eat them as well other than that I'm not sure. Right now I have my zoo's in the lower half of my tank (30 inches tall) under T5 lighting, this same tank is housing SPS's as well in the upper half to give you an idea. I also have two Tunze's in there for flow, the Zoo's get a good blast once in a while from the Tunze's. Here is a link to the thread.... hope it works. White tiny specks on my Zoo's? __________________ Dave 240 Gallon Tall Tencor (96"L x 30"T x 18"W) 4 250 Watt MH XM10K bulbs 2-54 Watt T5 Actinic Euro-Reef CS8-2-RC Jetstream 1 Calcium Reactor 4 Tunze Turbelle stream 6000 power heads 7095 Tunze controller

12-03-2005, 11:36 PM	#14 (permalink)
john Ricordea Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 188 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: problem with zoos eh warn,i dipped them and noticed about 5 little critters die off so hopefully the dip will cure my problems!!thanks again ps scuba,i have a new camera coming and i plan to post new pics.those are about a year old and the camera sucked.tank is much nicer now

12-04-2005, 12:13 AM	#15 (permalink)
FragMaster Tunicate Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: problem with zoos Did they resemble small nudibranch's with bta like extentions? If so they are zoo eating nudis. BTW Zoanthids dont require as much acclimation to light as other corals so they should be fine soon. It is totaly normal for certain types to take up to two months to open up fully. ESPECIALY Protopalythoa colonies! As long as they are getting plenty of flow and are at least opening uphalf way exposing most of thier disk, and mouth they will be fine until they decide to open fully. Hope this helps! OOPS! ALSO CHECK FOR HIGH NITRATES They hate high trates! If you have them to close to or downcurrent of a large colony of shrooms or rics they will compete chemicly and act the same way.

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