question ?

steven · 11-28-2005, 04:16 PM

most of you are from the states and there is a product avaliable there called Eco Aqualizer which makes various claims about incresed water quailty and reduced water changes which if it works is great less water changes means less ro water to buy and less salt to buy has any one used this as it is still very scarce in the uk and twice the price, is it worth buying and getting shipped over at about $80 inc shipping or is it best left alone? ive read alot of reviews which say great best thing they have seen in years but a bit of first had experince would be great.

check it out at-http://www.ecoaqualizer.com/

BoomerD · 11-28-2005, 04:28 PM

ROFLMAO!! Sorry, not laughing at you...but...The science behind their claims just doesn't hold up. Here's some more information on them:
http://www.inlandreef.com/Testing/Eco.html
http://www.inlandreef.com/Testing/EcoPhotos.html
http://www.inlandreef.com/Testing/EcoTest.html

steven · 11-28-2005, 04:34 PM

had a look at the photos and it does look like a load of c..p plastic with a couple of magnets in it!

Woodstock · 11-28-2005, 08:47 PM

Never heard of it.... I don't have to click the links do I??..... I like doing water changes

Jerome · 11-28-2005, 08:52 PM

The most profitable thing to sell in the saltwater aquarium are additives. Many of which are just crap that have lots of claims and do nothing.

This product seems to follow in this fine tradition.

gmcrow · 11-28-2005, 09:06 PM

after 30+ yrs in the hobby both fw/sw water changes, water changes and more water changes

nigle · 11-30-2005, 08:21 PM

Oi!

OK here is the deal with the Eco, it IS a tube full of magnets, the concept is that
skimmers work on the proposition that the protein in the water being attracted to the
surface of the bubbles in the water and is removed as it skims, being the skimmate at the
top.

Now if you can 'attract' the protein to the bubbles, then you can also 'break-up' the
protein with the magnets, because the positive and negative sides of the proteins as they
go through the tube with the magnets and will be pulled apart. The 'broken' proteins will
be 'more attracted' to the bubbles and therefore more of the protein will be removed
from the water, making 'cleaner' water and therefore needing less 'changing'. Also any
other 'thingies' in the water that can be separated by the magnets will have more of an
attraction to the bubbles in the skimmer, etc. etc. ad nausea.

Now this seems to work go on paper, but there was a Physicists in Germany that also on
paper proved that a bumble bee can't fly either, HUM?

This discussion has it's 'sides', like so much of the reefing world does, salt, DSB, BB,
additives, water changes, temp [once again ad nausea], but the number of reefers that
have them or 'won't buy them' are much fewer and farther apart. I have seen people at
the Eco booths at conventions that say it is a bunch of bunk, and invariably there will be
someone that DOES use it saying that it is the greatest thing since internet porn [well they
probably used a different comment, but you get the picture] and they would never live
with out it.

Like I said it's a wonderful idea on paper, but then I have been stung by a bumble bee
too!

It's like that whole god thing, you either believe or you don't, like that apartment building
that stays up if you believe Michael Jones in a Monty Python skit, it's now your call.

Cheers!
nigle
!~!

11-28-2005, 04:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
steven Tunicate Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: scotland Posts: 18 View Gallery Karma Komment	question ? most of you are from the states and there is a product avaliable there called Eco Aqualizer which makes various claims about incresed water quailty and reduced water changes which if it works is great less water changes means less ro water to buy and less salt to buy has any one used this as it is still very scarce in the uk and twice the price, is it worth buying and getting shipped over at about $80 inc shipping or is it best left alone? ive read alot of reviews which say great best thing they have seen in years but a bit of first had experince would be great. check it out at-http://www.ecoaqualizer.com/

11-28-2005, 04:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
BoomerD Reef Shark Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,637 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: question ? ROFLMAO!! Sorry, not laughing at you...but...The science behind their claims just doesn't hold up. Here's some more information on them: http://www.inlandreef.com/Testing/Eco.html http://www.inlandreef.com/Testing/EcoPhotos.html http://www.inlandreef.com/Testing/EcoTest.html __________________ Intelligence is not knowing all the answers, but knowing where and how to find them! www.google.com

11-28-2005, 04:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
steven Tunicate Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: scotland Posts: 18 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: question ? had a look at the photos and it does look like a load of c..p plastic with a couple of magnets in it!

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Jerome Serpent Star Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SF bay area Posts: 221 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: question ? The most profitable thing to sell in the saltwater aquarium are additives. Many of which are just crap that have lots of claims and do nothing. This product seems to follow in this fine tradition. __________________ The world only goes round by misunderstanding.

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11-30-2005, 08:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
nigle Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gary, Indiana Posts: 292 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: question ? Oi! OK here is the deal with the Eco, it IS a tube full of magnets, the concept is that skimmers work on the proposition that the protein in the water being attracted to the surface of the bubbles in the water and is removed as it skims, being the skimmate at the top. Now if you can 'attract' the protein to the bubbles, then you can also 'break-up' the protein with the magnets, because the positive and negative sides of the proteins as they go through the tube with the magnets and will be pulled apart. The 'broken' proteins will be 'more attracted' to the bubbles and therefore more of the protein will be removed from the water, making 'cleaner' water and therefore needing less 'changing'. Also any other 'thingies' in the water that can be separated by the magnets will have more of an attraction to the bubbles in the skimmer, etc. etc. ad nausea. Now this seems to work go on paper, but there was a Physicists in Germany that also on paper proved that a bumble bee can't fly either, HUM? This discussion has it's 'sides', like so much of the reefing world does, salt, DSB, BB, additives, water changes, temp [once again ad nausea], but the number of reefers that have them or 'won't buy them' are much fewer and farther apart. I have seen people at the Eco booths at conventions that say it is a bunch of bunk, and invariably there will be someone that DOES use it saying that it is the greatest thing since internet porn [well they probably used a different comment, but you get the picture] and they would never live with out it. Like I said it's a wonderful idea on paper, but then I have been stung by a bumble bee too! It's like that whole god thing, you either believe or you don't, like that apartment building that stays up if you believe Michael Jones in a Monty Python skit, it's now your call. Cheers! nigle !~!

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