removing a dsb

mnreefman · 12-21-2003, 03:37 PM

any easy way to do this.... im taking about 60 lbs out of a nano i have.... i dont really want to have to remove all the rocks and corals... but if i have to i will

mojoreef · 12-21-2003, 03:39 PM

Mnreefman, removing the water/rock and corals is the safest way. If it were me I would do it.

take care and good luck

Mike

mnreefman · 12-21-2003, 03:40 PM

thank you mike

wooddood · 12-21-2003, 04:15 PM

i agree,what are you replacing it with or are you going barebottom?

mnreefman · 12-21-2003, 04:16 PM

barebottom... im gunna try n get my gsps to encrust the whole bottom... "gsp fields... forever"

mnreefman · 12-21-2003, 06:33 PM

omg this really sucks....... i hate this, why did i talk myslef into doing this!!!!

tkjeffrey · 12-21-2003, 10:34 PM

I would have an inch or two of sand. Denitrification can happen in an inch of sand. Plus you get all sorts of creepy crawlies to observe (my 2 year old loves all the worms and such). More than 80% of sand living organisms is in the first 2 inches of sand.

mnreefman · 12-22-2003, 01:56 AM

all my sand is gone....

Woodstock · 12-22-2003, 10:43 AM

Let me know if you get an algae bloom. I'm still in the very slow process of removing my 4-5" sand bed and It seems that everytime I 'disturb' it, I get an algae bloom.

I've heard that the sand 'traps' phospates though I'm not sure exactly how.

mojoreef · 12-22-2003, 12:50 PM

Good for you Mnreefman. Now all you have to do is make sure your flow is set up to keep the detritus in the water column and thus allow it to be removed to you skimmer, feel free to pm me if you need some help along the way.

Woodstock a DSB or any sand substriaght does not have any way to deal with phosphates, it cant sink them and store them like it does with most other things. If you add sulfur based products, it will sink and store them, same with basically everything with the exception of nitrogen based products, which it can off gas under the right circumstances. With Phosphates it will create a animal (bacteria and so on) to vegitation (cyano/haire and so on) cycle.

mike

Pro_builder · 12-22-2003, 01:46 PM

Good luck with the bare bottom tank, keep us informed on how it goes. Especially with the gsp bottom idea

mnreefman · 12-22-2003, 01:49 PM

ty mojo, i most deffinetly will pm you if i need any help

and ill deffently post some pics once the gsp takes off

Woodstock · 12-22-2003, 01:51 PM

Thanks for the explanation Mojo!

wooddood · 12-22-2003, 07:27 PM

yea thanks mike im moving my tank soon and have really been thinking about going barebottom and you just convinced me.thanks again.

12-21-2003, 03:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
mnreefman Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,393 View Gallery Karma Komment	removing a dsb any easy way to do this.... im taking about 60 lbs out of a nano i have.... i dont really want to have to remove all the rocks and corals... but if i have to i will __________________ http://reefrock.com

12-21-2003, 03:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
mojoreef Just a reefer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,176 View Gallery Karma Komment	Mnreefman, removing the water/rock and corals is the safest way. If it were me I would do it. take care and good luck Mike __________________ Make sure you check out The Fish Gallery The Coral Gallery The Equipment Gallery

12-21-2003, 03:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
mnreefman Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,393 View Gallery Karma Komment	thank you mike __________________ http://reefrock.com

12-21-2003, 04:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
wooddood the wood dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CARMEL. INDIANA Posts: 3,450 View Gallery Karma Komment	i agree,what are you replacing it with or are you going barebottom? __________________ 120 gal/in wall tank/starboard substraight/2 250 watt 10k xm metal halides/ 4 55watt 03 actinics/150lbs lr/scwd on return/scwd on a closed loop/aquaclear aquatics 200 pro wetdry w/skimmer. ask all the questions you have if we cant answer it we'll make up some thing. remember patience is the key to a kick ass reef. dave.

12-21-2003, 04:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
mnreefman Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,393 View Gallery Karma Komment	barebottom... im gunna try n get my gsps to encrust the whole bottom... "gsp fields... forever" __________________ http://reefrock.com

12-21-2003, 06:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
mnreefman Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,393 View Gallery Karma Komment	omg this really sucks....... i hate this, why did i talk myslef into doing this!!!! __________________ http://reefrock.com

12-21-2003, 10:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
tkjeffrey Fire Coral Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Wray CO Posts: 66 View Gallery Karma Komment	I would have an inch or two of sand. Denitrification can happen in an inch of sand. Plus you get all sorts of creepy crawlies to observe (my 2 year old loves all the worms and such). More than 80% of sand living organisms is in the first 2 inches of sand. __________________ Travis J. --------SEMPER FI-------

12-22-2003, 01:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
mnreefman Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,393 View Gallery Karma Komment	all my sand is gone.... __________________ http://reefrock.com

12-22-2003, 10:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 23,199 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Let me know if you get an algae bloom. I'm still in the very slow process of removing my 4-5" sand bed and It seems that everytime I 'disturb' it, I get an algae bloom. I've heard that the sand 'traps' phospates though I'm not sure exactly how. __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My QT/Hospital Tank* ~120 Reef Chronicle ~ *~Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________ 120 mixed reef, dual Reeflux 10k 250 MHs, dual Geiseman Actinic T5s,Neptune AC III, ASM g3, 2x Korallia #3, Mag 9.5 return

12-22-2003, 12:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
mojoreef Just a reefer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,176 View Gallery Karma Komment	Good for you Mnreefman. Now all you have to do is make sure your flow is set up to keep the detritus in the water column and thus allow it to be removed to you skimmer, feel free to pm me if you need some help along the way. Woodstock a DSB or any sand substriaght does not have any way to deal with phosphates, it cant sink them and store them like it does with most other things. If you add sulfur based products, it will sink and store them, same with basically everything with the exception of nitrogen based products, which it can off gas under the right circumstances. With Phosphates it will create a animal (bacteria and so on) to vegitation (cyano/haire and so on) cycle. mike __________________ Make sure you check out The Fish Gallery The Coral Gallery The Equipment Gallery

12-22-2003, 01:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
Pro_builder DIY Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Oxford, Iowa Posts: 1,746 View Gallery Karma Komment	Good luck with the bare bottom tank, keep us informed on how it goes. Especially with the gsp bottom idea __________________ -Troy 180 gallon Reef, 3- 250 XM 15K MH Electronic ballast, 380 watts VHO Actinics, 2- 5 watt LED Moon lights, 100 gal rubbermaid sump, 75 gallon Fuge, ETSS 600 Skimmer, 4700-5400 gph pump for return, Octopus 3000 controller, Iwaki 40 RL skimmer pump, 2- 65w PC 10K fuge lights, 2 55 gallon barrels, Custom light oak stand and hood, misc pumps, extra 600 gallon rated tank size protein skimmer. Purple tang, yellow tang, pacific blue tang, 2 green chromis, 1 Sand sifting star, snails, hermit crabs, 2 mated perculas, pulsing Xenia, Anenome, mushrooms, ricordia, zoanthids, kenya tree 1 1/2" tall, misc other hitchhiker stuff. DIY is my dream... ...well OK the only way I can afford this Addiction!! Just as the light goes on in my head... ... I break the bulb!!

12-22-2003, 01:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
mnreefman Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,393 View Gallery Karma Komment	ty mojo, i most deffinetly will pm you if i need any help and ill deffently post some pics once the gsp takes off __________________ http://reefrock.com

12-22-2003, 01:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 23,199 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Thanks for the explanation Mojo! __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My QT/Hospital Tank* ~120 Reef Chronicle ~ *~Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________ 120 mixed reef, dual Reeflux 10k 250 MHs, dual Geiseman Actinic T5s,Neptune AC III, ASM g3, 2x Korallia #3, Mag 9.5 return

12-22-2003, 07:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
wooddood the wood dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CARMEL. INDIANA Posts: 3,450 View Gallery Karma Komment	yea thanks mike im moving my tank soon and have really been thinking about going barebottom and you just convinced me.thanks again. __________________ 120 gal/in wall tank/starboard substraight/2 250 watt 10k xm metal halides/ 4 55watt 03 actinics/150lbs lr/scwd on return/scwd on a closed loop/aquaclear aquatics 200 pro wetdry w/skimmer. ask all the questions you have if we cant answer it we'll make up some thing. remember patience is the key to a kick ass reef. dave.

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