Oceanic vs. IO

Woodstock · 11-12-2005, 05:09 PM

I started mixing IO and Oceanic about a week ago since both seem to help balance the other. I tested both after mixing for close to 8 hours. I used ro/di water. Although I posted the PO4 results, I need to get a second opinion because when I tested my ro/di for po4, it read 0.1

. Maybe I need new filters? Anyway.. here are my results...

Witfull · 11-12-2005, 05:52 PM

and what are the mixed results?

Travis · 11-12-2005, 06:03 PM

Sounds about right. The CA with oceanic is just plain problematic.

forestal · 11-12-2005, 08:09 PM

interesting, especially since i just switched to I/o

thanks Doni

Woodstock · 11-12-2005, 08:19 PM

..both had zero nitrates...

Witfull · 11-12-2005, 09:04 PM

im curious to the 2 mixed and the alk/ca levels

Woodstock · 11-12-2005, 09:13 PM

Depends on the ratio... I think I'll go 3/4 Instant Ocean next time...

The 50/50 mixture brings the ca and mg down a bit... I don't recall the exact levels now and I failed to write them down.

Witfull · 11-12-2005, 09:18 PM

shame on you,,,but ill forgive ya!

Woodstock · 11-12-2005, 09:24 PM

I'm concerned with the po4 of 0.1 coming from my ro/di ....

mps9506 · 11-12-2005, 09:39 PM

Time for new filters woody.
How are you mixing up your mixed salt? 1 cup oceanic salt and 3 cups for every 8 gallons? or making up a gallon of water and mixing it into 3 gallons of IO?
Or something like that?
Also have you tested for consistency throughout the batch and from batch to batch?

I've always kept my levels pretty near what you tested the IO at anyways, except when I switched to oceanic for 5 months...

Woodstock · 11-12-2005, 09:49 PM

Filter time! Which ones? All of them? I've never switched filters before...

It is approx 1/2 cup salt per gallon.. I use 4 5 gal buckets filled to approx 4.5 gal of water... I have a plastic cup with scores on it. I've been doing 1 1/4 cup of IO and 1 1/4 cup of Oceanic per bucket. Today I did them in seperate buckets just to compare

Witfull · 11-12-2005, 11:44 PM

as you know Doni, ive been toying with the idea of this mix also. i just need to do the math on how to mix a 200g oceanic and a 160 IO and use both evenly and run out at the same time.

Woodstock · 11-13-2005, 12:08 AM

Hummm... well... mathematically speaking.. Oceanic makes 200 gal and IO makes 160 gal... (that's at a lower salinity than 35 pppm ...so it's a bit low)... so, if you used 20% more of the oceanic, they'll run out at the same time. So mix 70% oceanic with 30% IO and they'll run out at the same time.

Woodstock · 11-13-2005, 12:10 AM

... so for 5 gal.. it takes 2.5 cups.. of that 2.5 cups, 1 3/4 cups will be oceanic and the other 3/4 cups will be IO.

gqjeff · 11-13-2005, 04:21 AM

Check out the new seachem reef formula.. You will not have to mix salts any longer.. It comes in very close to NSW level in all params.. I have been using it since June and it is VERY good.. With my Ca Rx running I do not have to add anything to it.. I have about 10-15% Mg granulate in my Ca Rx also and it keeps that steady at 1300-1350... I used Io for 13 yr and then switched to Oceanic for 1.5.. I will not go back to anything else since using the new formula.. I do know afew others that mix IO and Oceanic and then come in VERY good aswell when mixed... There is also a new 3 part salt with seperate Ca and Mg to add to the salt.. You can tailor it to your needs.. The reefers salt from captiveoceans.com..

Peace, Jeff

Peace, Jeff

11-12-2005, 06:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
Travis Smilie Bartender Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,887 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Oceanic vs. IO Sounds about right. The CA with oceanic is just plain problematic. __________________ Help build the Encyclopedia of ReefKeeping Find over 1400 Reef Aquarium Articles at The Reef Aquarium Index

11-12-2005, 08:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
forestal Torch coral Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vernon, CT Posts: 582 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Oceanic vs. IO interesting, especially since i just switched to I/o thanks Doni __________________ Peace, Dan

11-12-2005, 08:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,466 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Oceanic vs. IO ..both had zero nitrates... __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Victorious Battle with ICH* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistance conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

11-12-2005, 09:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,466 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Oceanic vs. IO Depends on the ratio... I think I'll go 3/4 Instant Ocean next time... The 50/50 mixture brings the ca and mg down a bit... I don't recall the exact levels now and I failed to write them down. __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Victorious Battle with ICH* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistance conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

11-12-2005, 09:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,466 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Oceanic vs. IO I'm concerned with the po4 of 0.1 coming from my ro/di .... __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Victorious Battle with ICH* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistance conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

11-12-2005, 09:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
mps9506 Totally back Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 8,525 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Oceanic vs. IO Time for new filters woody. How are you mixing up your mixed salt? 1 cup oceanic salt and 3 cups for every 8 gallons? or making up a gallon of water and mixing it into 3 gallons of IO? Or something like that? Also have you tested for consistency throughout the batch and from batch to batch? I've always kept my levels pretty near what you tested the IO at anyways, except when I switched to oceanic for 5 months... __________________ Mike Reefkeeping Since '99 Help Build Reefpedia Premium Memberships Available! Support Reef Sanctuary Sponsors

11-12-2005, 09:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,466 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Oceanic vs. IO Filter time! Which ones? All of them? I've never switched filters before... It is approx 1/2 cup salt per gallon.. I use 4 5 gal buckets filled to approx 4.5 gal of water... I have a plastic cup with scores on it. I've been doing 1 1/4 cup of IO and 1 1/4 cup of Oceanic per bucket. Today I did them in seperate buckets just to compare __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Victorious Battle with ICH* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistance conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

11-13-2005, 12:08 AM	#13 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,466 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Oceanic vs. IO Hummm... well... mathematically speaking.. Oceanic makes 200 gal and IO makes 160 gal... (that's at a lower salinity than 35 pppm ...so it's a bit low)... so, if you used 20% more of the oceanic, they'll run out at the same time. So mix 70% oceanic with 30% IO and they'll run out at the same time. __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Victorious Battle with ICH* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistance conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

11-13-2005, 12:10 AM	#14 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,466 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Oceanic vs. IO ... so for 5 gal.. it takes 2.5 cups.. of that 2.5 cups, 1 3/4 cups will be oceanic and the other 3/4 cups will be IO. __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Victorious Battle with ICH* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistance conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

11-13-2005, 04:21 AM	#15 (permalink)
gqjeff Bryozoan Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 49 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Oceanic vs. IO Check out the new seachem reef formula.. You will not have to mix salts any longer.. It comes in very close to NSW level in all params.. I have been using it since June and it is VERY good.. With my Ca Rx running I do not have to add anything to it.. I have about 10-15% Mg granulate in my Ca Rx also and it keeps that steady at 1300-1350... I used Io for 13 yr and then switched to Oceanic for 1.5.. I will not go back to anything else since using the new formula.. I do know afew others that mix IO and Oceanic and then come in VERY good aswell when mixed... There is also a new 3 part salt with seperate Ca and Mg to add to the salt.. You can tailor it to your needs.. The reefers salt from captiveoceans.com.. Peace, Jeff Peace, Jeff

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