now whats wrong

brian_e · 12-20-2003, 09:43 PM

ok the day after my lime od the tank looked good water was clear everything was open. Tody i woke up and tank was cloudy most of the corals want ope no softys at all will open every thing looks to be letting slime off all levels are good could this just be that all wheer stressed and the slime caosed the water to cloud

Witfull · 12-20-2003, 09:59 PM

stressed and slightly burned,,,,they should recover,

reefrunner · 12-20-2003, 10:43 PM

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could this just be that all wheer stressed and the slime caosed the water to cloud

More than likely your kalk OD caused a serious ph spike and killed many of the smaller like forms in your tank. Pods, small sponges, bacterias, etc, etc...The resultant small spike in ammonia has allowed an opportunistic bacterial bloom.

There is also the possibility of a CaCO3 precipitation, does it look like it's snowing in the tank?

brian_e · 12-20-2003, 10:55 PM

just looks cloudy and ammonia was fine ph was fine and the tank was very clear the day after

reefrunner · 12-20-2003, 11:01 PM

The ammonia would read fine now because opportunistic bacteria are feeding on it, instead of the bacteria generally credited for nitrification. Kinda like having a hair algae, but no PO4...the algae is consuming the PO4

Have no doubt, you dumped a bunch of kalk in your system...you had a ph spike, it may have recovered by now, but it spiked. Bacterial blooms occur quickly, but it isn't immediate, I'm sure it was clear yesterday.

Cougra · 12-20-2003, 11:01 PM

I would say give them a bit of time. I'm sure there was a bit of a shock when with all that's happened recently. Keep an eye on them though.

wooddood · 12-21-2003, 08:45 AM

good luck to you brian.

brian_e · 12-21-2003, 08:03 PM

good this all be from marco dieoff i see a lot of whtie marco so i tossed most of it out tryed to get all the white but some is very small

Boomer · 12-21-2003, 08:42 PM

It sounds like a minor "Carbonate Explosion" CaCO3/MgCO3 precip. It doesn't have to look like it is snowing, the water can just be cloudy. If your pH is normal and no ammonia, as stated, this more than likely is the problem. There was proablby a pH spike at first, short lived.

It would not be ammonia, as ammoina whould never come down that fast, at the levels to creat that kind of damage. Minor bacterial explsiion yes.

BUT

What do you mean by white maco. Is it coated with a white powder or does it look bleached, is limp and dead ? If this is the case, a die off, it is a "Baterial Explosion". How was the algae beforee this happen..normal ? Or was it because of the additon of the Kalk, that tuned the alage white, killed it or put a white powder on it ?

brian_e · 12-21-2003, 08:45 PM

looks dead all around the bottem part of it

Boomer · 12-21-2003, 08:49 PM

Re-read my post I had to edit it

brian_e · 12-21-2003, 08:51 PM

the marco before this was nice and green i have also done 75 gallons in water changes in the last 3 days after i started to pull dead marco out witch was falling apart as i picked it up the skimmer has gone crazy now

Boomer · 12-21-2003, 09:09 PM

I would guess then a pH spike did the damge, the cloudy water may be just a minor carboante explosion, with no real ammoian to measure. The animals should recover but keep an I on things

brian_e · 12-22-2003, 07:35 PM

ok tank is nice and clear today now hope my corals open back up nice before x-mas have to show the tank off

ScottT1980 · 12-22-2003, 07:47 PM

Good luck Brian, it sounds like things might finally be turing around for the best!

Take er easy
Scott T.

12-20-2003, 09:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
brian_e Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: greenville NC Posts: 675 View Gallery Karma Komment	now whats wrong ok the day after my lime od the tank looked good water was clear everything was open. Tody i woke up and tank was cloudy most of the corals want ope no softys at all will open every thing looks to be letting slime off all levels are good could this just be that all wheer stressed and the slime caosed the water to cloud __________________ Just way to much stuff to list! Brian aka: The Frag Pimp

12-20-2003, 10:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
brian_e Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: greenville NC Posts: 675 View Gallery Karma Komment	just looks cloudy and ammonia was fine ph was fine and the tank was very clear the day after __________________ Just way to much stuff to list! Brian aka: The Frag Pimp

12-20-2003, 11:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
reefrunner Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cedar Key, FL Posts: 1,069 View Gallery Karma Komment	The ammonia would read fine now because opportunistic bacteria are feeding on it, instead of the bacteria generally credited for nitrification. Kinda like having a hair algae, but no PO4...the algae is consuming the PO4 Have no doubt, you dumped a bunch of kalk in your system...you had a ph spike, it may have recovered by now, but it spiked. Bacterial blooms occur quickly, but it isn't immediate, I'm sure it was clear yesterday. __________________ Kevin Check out my gallery!

12-20-2003, 11:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
Cougra Dragon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 2,216 View Gallery Karma Komment	I would say give them a bit of time. I'm sure there was a bit of a shock when with all that's happened recently. Keep an eye on them though. __________________ Michelle Just because something CAN be done, it doesn't mean that it SHOULD be done!

12-21-2003, 08:45 AM	#7 (permalink)
wooddood the wood dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CARMEL. INDIANA Posts: 3,450 View Gallery Karma Komment	good luck to you brian. __________________ 120 gal/in wall tank/starboard substraight/2 250 watt 10k xm metal halides/ 4 55watt 03 actinics/150lbs lr/scwd on return/scwd on a closed loop/aquaclear aquatics 200 pro wetdry w/skimmer. ask all the questions you have if we cant answer it we'll make up some thing. remember patience is the key to a kick ass reef. dave.

12-21-2003, 08:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
brian_e Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: greenville NC Posts: 675 View Gallery Karma Komment	good this all be from marco dieoff i see a lot of whtie marco so i tossed most of it out tryed to get all the white but some is very small __________________ Just way to much stuff to list! Brian aka: The Frag Pimp

12-21-2003, 08:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
Boomer Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,157 View Gallery Karma Komment	It sounds like a minor "Carbonate Explosion" CaCO3/MgCO3 precip. It doesn't have to look like it is snowing, the water can just be cloudy. If your pH is normal and no ammonia, as stated, this more than likely is the problem. There was proablby a pH spike at first, short lived. It would not be ammonia, as ammoina whould never come down that fast, at the levels to creat that kind of damage. Minor bacterial explsiion yes. BUT What do you mean by white maco. Is it coated with a white powder or does it look bleached, is limp and dead ? If this is the case, a die off, it is a "Baterial Explosion". How was the algae beforee this happen..normal ? Or was it because of the additon of the Kalk, that tuned the alage white, killed it or put a white powder on it ? __________________ Boomer Want to Talk Chemistry ! The Reef Chemistry Forum Want to See More ! The Coral Realm If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be. Last edited by Boomer : 12-21-2003 at 08:48 PM.

12-21-2003, 08:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
brian_e Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: greenville NC Posts: 675 View Gallery Karma Komment	looks dead all around the bottem part of it __________________ Just way to much stuff to list! Brian aka: The Frag Pimp

12-21-2003, 08:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
Boomer Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,157 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re-read my post I had to edit it __________________ Boomer Want to Talk Chemistry ! The Reef Chemistry Forum Want to See More ! The Coral Realm If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

12-21-2003, 08:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
brian_e Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: greenville NC Posts: 675 View Gallery Karma Komment	the marco before this was nice and green i have also done 75 gallons in water changes in the last 3 days after i started to pull dead marco out witch was falling apart as i picked it up the skimmer has gone crazy now __________________ Just way to much stuff to list! Brian aka: The Frag Pimp

12-21-2003, 09:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
Boomer Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,157 View Gallery Karma Komment	I would guess then a pH spike did the damge, the cloudy water may be just a minor carboante explosion, with no real ammoian to measure. The animals should recover but keep an I on things __________________ Boomer Want to Talk Chemistry ! The Reef Chemistry Forum Want to See More ! The Coral Realm If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

12-22-2003, 07:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
brian_e Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: greenville NC Posts: 675 View Gallery Karma Komment	ok tank is nice and clear today now hope my corals open back up nice before x-mas have to show the tank off __________________ Just way to much stuff to list! Brian aka: The Frag Pimp

12-22-2003, 07:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
ScottT1980 Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,484 View Gallery Karma Komment	Good luck Brian, it sounds like things might finally be turing around for the best! Take er easy Scott T. __________________ My Tank

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