ReefSanctuary Photo Contest

ReefLady · 12-15-2003, 11:17 PM

I wanted to get a thread out in the "General" forum area, just in case anyone has any questions on the contest.

The details of the contest can be found >>here<<.

Please remember:

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The photos will be judged on submitted photo, and a *brief* informational paragraph on the critter

Don't forget to submit the informational paragraph along with the photo!

Also, email all entries to webmaster@reefsanctuary.com, do not upload to the photo gallery.

Submission deadline - midnight 12/28/03

Any questions, let us know.

Pro_builder · 12-16-2003, 12:59 AM

bump

good idea

Craig Manoukian · 12-16-2003, 03:45 AM

Bump! Everybody get on board!

raymond0512 · 12-16-2003, 05:40 AM

Can we send more than one pic in?

wooddood · 12-16-2003, 06:51 AM

great idea all thanks.and bump.

tankgirl · 12-17-2003, 11:30 AM

Teri, that deal about RS owning any pics we submit is kind of a stopper for me. I realize it's only for legal safety or something, but I just wouldn't be willing to agree to that? Sorry. I'm sure you'll do fine without my paltry efforts, tho'.

Witfull · 12-17-2003, 11:36 AM

i have to agree. my photos are mine. i know they willnever maake me any money or anything, but they are and will remain mine. does this include all photos uploaded, icluding threads and galleries??

tankgirl · 12-17-2003, 11:39 AM

Wit, it's only the pics submitted for the contest.

Craig Manoukian · 12-17-2003, 11:50 AM

TG, Wit, where did you see that, I must have missed it. Thanks!

mwrager · 12-17-2003, 11:52 AM

I also agree with tank girl and witfull. I would like to know why we have to give up our rights to our photos? I thought I was the only one having this problem. Thanks tankgirl and witfull.

Curtswearing · 12-17-2003, 11:57 AM

Guys,

See this thread here about copyright issues

It's not really devious on RS's part.

Craig Manoukian · 12-17-2003, 12:34 PM

So we're working on it, eh? I'm so confused!

tankgirl · 12-17-2003, 03:29 PM

Curts, Thanks!!!
I read that link from before. It still doesn't work for me.

Am not sure, but I don't believe anyone could claim copyright infringement on something they submitted to the site, unless it was actually copyrighted. Or other legal repercussions if it was subsequently used in a manner they didn't intend and agree to. I agree with that idea - We contribute here for the enjoyment of all. I don't want RS to use my contributions in a way I didn't agree to, to make money or for any other purpose, without my consent.

It's my time, sweat, camera, corals, tank, and creative urge.

I'm fairly familiar with this whole issue from too many years spent creating artwork for a paycheck. Disney, for one, has this same kind of clause in it's contract. One big difference is that in the case of Mauswitz, they're paying you for what you develop on their dime. Despite that, they 'generously' agree that you can show your own work, in order to obtain future work. I can sort of see their point since they are paying you. And, since, going in, you know you're making a commercial entity whose point is to make them money.

In the case of RS; my understanding is that (this from union lawyers) if you aren't paid, it doesn't matter whether you signed something "away" - it's still really yours. So, I don't think that statement would prevent any of the things from happening that RS is concerned about. The lawyers say that courts will uphold your right to your own creations, whether you sign it away or not - unless you were paid for those efforts.

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know why I'm not joining in on the contest.

ReefLady · 12-17-2003, 04:34 PM

All ~

Please accept my sincere apologies for the wording previously used on the contest thread. It has been replaced with the following:

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Any communication or material you post or transmit is, and will be treated as, non-confidential and non-proprietary. You assume full responsibility for anything you post or transmit, and you grant the Reef Sanctuary the right to display this material on its web sites. The Reef Sanctuary makes no ownership claims to any material you post or transmit and agrees that all submitted materials, text, graphics and files remain the sole property of their creator.

I hope you realize that, as Administrators, we are very new to this, and are "learning as we go". Also, I hope you all realize, that we would never attempt to claim "ownership rights" to any of your personal photos.

I am very sorry for the previous miscommunication, and I do hope everyone will participate! Please email or PM me if you ever have any questions, and don't want to post them.

Thanks,

mwrager · 12-17-2003, 04:38 PM

That Looks good to me RL.

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Any communication or material you post or transmit is, and will be treated as, non-confidential and non-proprietary. You assume full responsibility for anything you post or transmit, and you grant the Reef Sanctuary the right to display this material on its web sites. The Reef Sanctuary makes no ownership claims to any material you post or transmit and agrees that all submitted materials, text, graphics and files remain the sole property of their creator.
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12-16-2003, 12:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Pro_builder DIY Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Oxford, Iowa Posts: 1,746 View Gallery Karma Komment	bump good idea __________________ -Troy 180 gallon Reef, 3- 250 XM 15K MH Electronic ballast, 380 watts VHO Actinics, 2- 5 watt LED Moon lights, 100 gal rubbermaid sump, 75 gallon Fuge, ETSS 600 Skimmer, 4700-5400 gph pump for return, Octopus 3000 controller, Iwaki 40 RL skimmer pump, 2- 65w PC 10K fuge lights, 2 55 gallon barrels, Custom light oak stand and hood, misc pumps, extra 600 gallon rated tank size protein skimmer. Purple tang, yellow tang, pacific blue tang, 2 green chromis, 1 Sand sifting star, snails, hermit crabs, 2 mated perculas, pulsing Xenia, Anenome, mushrooms, ricordia, zoanthids, kenya tree 1 1/2" tall, misc other hitchhiker stuff. DIY is my dream... ...well OK the only way I can afford this Addiction!! Just as the light goes on in my head... ... I break the bulb!!

12-16-2003, 03:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 19,012 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Bump! Everybody get on board! __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

12-16-2003, 06:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
wooddood the wood dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: marion. INDIANA Posts: 3,457 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	great idea all thanks.and bump. __________________ 120 gal/in wall tank/starboard substraight/2 250 watt 10k xm metal halides/ 4 55watt 03 actinics/150lbs lr/scwd on return/scwd on a closed loop/aquaclear aquatics 200 pro wetdry w/skimmer. ask all the questions you have if we cant answer it we'll make up some thing. remember patience is the key to a kick ass reef. dave.

12-17-2003, 11:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 19,012 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	TG, Wit, where did you see that, I must have missed it. Thanks! __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

12-17-2003, 11:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
mwrager Elegance coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gilbert AZ Posts: 1,068 View Gallery Karma Komment	I also agree with tank girl and witfull. I would like to know why we have to give up our rights to our photos? I thought I was the only one having this problem. Thanks tankgirl and witfull. __________________ Mark Some days I realy feel old! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/Banners/RS_banner3.gif

12-16-2003, 05:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
raymond0512 Fire Coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 71 View Gallery Karma Komment	Can we send more than one pic in?

12-17-2003, 11:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
tankgirl Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: So. Ca Posts: 1,476 View Gallery Karma Komment	Teri, that deal about RS owning any pics we submit is kind of a stopper for me. I realize it's only for legal safety or something, but I just wouldn't be willing to agree to that? Sorry. I'm sure you'll do fine without my paltry efforts, tho'.

12-17-2003, 11:39 AM	#8 (permalink)
tankgirl Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: So. Ca Posts: 1,476 View Gallery Karma Komment	Wit, it's only the pics submitted for the contest.

12-17-2003, 11:57 AM	#11 (permalink)
Curtswearing Golden Moray Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,597 View Gallery Karma Komment	Guys, See this thread here about copyright issues It's not really devious on RS's part. __________________ In memory of Fluffy, please pause before hitting enter---being nice is free. Click for ReefKeeping FAQ'S Click for Product Reviews Click for Photo ID Gallery http://curtcpapfs.com/downloads/1Curt.jpg

12-17-2003, 12:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 19,012 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	So we're working on it, eh? I'm so confused! __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

12-17-2003, 03:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
tankgirl Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: So. Ca Posts: 1,476 View Gallery Karma Komment	Curts, Thanks!!! I read that link from before. It still doesn't work for me. Am not sure, but I don't believe anyone could claim copyright infringement on something they submitted to the site, unless it was actually copyrighted. Or other legal repercussions if it was subsequently used in a manner they didn't intend and agree to. I agree with that idea - We contribute here for the enjoyment of all. I don't want RS to use my contributions in a way I didn't agree to, to make money or for any other purpose, without my consent. It's my time, sweat, camera, corals, tank, and creative urge. I'm fairly familiar with this whole issue from too many years spent creating artwork for a paycheck. Disney, for one, has this same kind of clause in it's contract. One big difference is that in the case of Mauswitz, they're paying you for what you develop on their dime. Despite that, they 'generously' agree that you can show your own work, in order to obtain future work. I can sort of see their point since they are paying you. And, since, going in, you know you're making a commercial entity whose point is to make them money. In the case of RS; my understanding is that (this from union lawyers) if you aren't paid, it doesn't matter whether you signed something "away" - it's still really yours. So, I don't think that statement would prevent any of the things from happening that RS is concerned about. The lawyers say that courts will uphold your right to your own creations, whether you sign it away or not - unless you were paid for those efforts. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know why I'm not joining in on the contest.

12-17-2003, 04:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
mwrager Elegance coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gilbert AZ Posts: 1,068 View Gallery Karma Komment	That Looks good to me RL. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any communication or material you post or transmit is, and will be treated as, non-confidential and non-proprietary. You assume full responsibility for anything you post or transmit, and you grant the Reef Sanctuary the right to display this material on its web sites. The Reef Sanctuary makes no ownership claims to any material you post or transmit and agrees that all submitted materials, text, graphics and files remain the sole property of their creator. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________ Mark Some days I realy feel old! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/Banners/RS_banner3.gif

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