same thing happened to me as Travis

angnak · 03-31-2005, 08:58 PM

I came home today and saw EVERYTHING closed up, one of my BTAs flipped over, and most of my snails all turned over like they fell off the glass. First thing, "what did you do to the tank?!?!" I asked my wife. "Nothing, I swear", she replies. "Are you sure, look at everything!!!" So I go about doing the norm of feeding the fish. Then I notice a PH isn't working. This thing is brand new, been in the tank for 1 week. Maybe it's clogged, so I shake it a little and nothing. So I go to take it out and BAM it shocks the $H*% out of me. But what I don't understand is that I had my hand in there before and nothing. I also have a grounding probe. Why all of a sudden di it shock me and didn't before? I took it out and made sure the probe was in the water and stuck my hand back in the and nothing. None of my ph's are on a wavemaker so they are constantly on. So what happened? And I don't mean, "Oh, you got shocked!"

I mean why did I not get shocked before?

Woodstock · 03-31-2005, 09:01 PM

Sorry to hear that

Is the pump a RIO??

Water change, water change, water change, water change.... repeat until parameters are ok.

angnak · 03-31-2005, 09:07 PM

No it is a Azoo.

fugazi · 03-31-2005, 09:50 PM

when something is grounded, all it means is that it is taking the path of least resistance. the current was going through the grounding probe until it became easier to go through you. when you pulled it out of the water you became the grounding probe. hth to understand.

angnak · 03-31-2005, 10:41 PM

Yeah makes sense. But why are the corals reacting if it was going through the probe?

fidojoe · 04-01-2005, 01:01 AM

The current goes through everything in the tank that is in its path to the ground probe. Where you wearing shoes? You probably didn't complete the circut until it was out of the water, therefore you were not the path of least resistance until water was out of the picture.

I hope everything recovers...

Travis · 04-01-2005, 01:53 AM

That sucks. I feel your pain... literally, LOL.

Brucey · 04-01-2005, 06:42 AM

OK stupid question . . . . where was your other hand when you pulled it out of the water. And where was it the time before. Sounds stupid I know but I had a leaking PH in my tank and it took me ages to notice that it only ever shocked me when one hand was in the water and the other was on the lighting pendant . . . . that was the path to ground. Now I have a grounding probe and I've ditched the PH
Brucey

jimeluiz · 04-01-2005, 09:47 AM

Yeow - hope everything makes it through OK.

Be careful about that reflex to accuse your wife!

angnak · 04-01-2005, 09:53 AM

I was wearing shoes. Okay, the probe and the ph were on the same side of the tank maybe a foot from each other. Why were all the corals on other side of the tank feeling the effects? I am stupid about electricity.

Brucey my hand was more than likely to my side or holding up the eggcrate before and during the episode.

The wife likes to mess with the rocks a lot so my first response when the corals are mad is always at her. I know what your saying though. One day

Thanks everyone

fugazi · 04-01-2005, 04:40 PM

somethings can sense or be effected by lower amounts of voltage. It may be possible that you have more resistance than the aquatic life.

corvettephreek · 04-03-2005, 04:48 AM

AC electricity flows through everything conductive. just because you dont feel it, doesnt mean electricity isnt flowing through it. if you drop your lighting fixture into a 400 gal tank, and the grounding probe, light, and all your electronics are on one side, doesnt mean you should reach in the opposite side to grab a coral or fish. you will feel it, trust me. great idea to use a probe, also- what you may not know is that seals in powerheads are lucky enough to last 1-5 years. however I have had one go out and wipe an entire tank in only 3 days from my LFS. didnt know it at the time of purchase, but I knew it when my hair felt tingly at feeding time. also- being an electrician myself, I always urge people to use the "pocket" theory. if you keep one hand in your pocket, you will not complete a circuit accidentally. its one thing to lose 400 bucks of fish, invertc, etc. but its another to damage your heart, brain or even worse.... I use a trick an old friend taught me. use a multimeter (voltmeter, 5 bucks and up any hardware store) to do a voltage check between your water and a point of ground. if you read a slight voltage (1-20 volts or more) you should inspect each unit individually. unplug each device, check, and so on and so forth. doesnt hurt to make sure. good luck with everything, and I hope to see that tank recover just fine

Warnberg · 04-03-2005, 05:26 PM

http://avdil.gtri.gatech.edu/RCM/RCM...ingProbes.html

Dave

Sharkbait · 04-03-2005, 06:58 PM

Perhaps lack of flow could be the reason for all your upset livestock, powerheads are so unreliable but so inexpensive.I've felt the zap myself, hope everything works out.

angnak · 04-04-2005, 09:07 AM

Warnberg, nice article makes you think. I am not sure I would want to take mine out though. I know very litle about Elec.

Corvette, what would be the proper way to test for a current since the article states there is always a voltage?

Thanks eveyone.

03-31-2005, 08:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
angnak Torch coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 555 View Gallery Karma Komment	same thing happened to me as Travis I came home today and saw EVERYTHING closed up, one of my BTAs flipped over, and most of my snails all turned over like they fell off the glass. First thing, "what did you do to the tank?!?!" I asked my wife. "Nothing, I swear", she replies. "Are you sure, look at everything!!!" So I go about doing the norm of feeding the fish. Then I notice a PH isn't working. This thing is brand new, been in the tank for 1 week. Maybe it's clogged, so I shake it a little and nothing. So I go to take it out and BAM it shocks the $H*% out of me. But what I don't understand is that I had my hand in there before and nothing. I also have a grounding probe. Why all of a sudden di it shock me and didn't before? I took it out and made sure the probe was in the water and stuck my hand back in the and nothing. None of my ph's are on a wavemaker so they are constantly on. So what happened? And I don't mean, "Oh, you got shocked!" I mean why did I not get shocked before? __________________ 210gal AGA SW tank. 3 250w MH 4 160w VHOs, 30 gal refuge, ASM Skimmer, Orange shoulder tang, Black tang, Naso tang, 2 orange percs, 2 black percs, 1 lawnmower blenny, a pair of scooter blennies, 5 cleaner shrimp, 5 peppermint shrimp, zebra crabs, halloween crabs, scarlett crabs, various other crabs and snails, 1 rock anemone, 2 colonies of button polyps, 3 colony of star polyps, 3 BTAs, monti cap, various acros

03-31-2005, 09:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 23,663 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Sorry to hear that Is the pump a RIO?? Water change, water change, water change, water change.... repeat until parameters are ok. __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

03-31-2005, 09:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
angnak Torch coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 555 View Gallery Karma Komment	No it is a Azoo. __________________ 210gal AGA SW tank. 3 250w MH 4 160w VHOs, 30 gal refuge, ASM Skimmer, Orange shoulder tang, Black tang, Naso tang, 2 orange percs, 2 black percs, 1 lawnmower blenny, a pair of scooter blennies, 5 cleaner shrimp, 5 peppermint shrimp, zebra crabs, halloween crabs, scarlett crabs, various other crabs and snails, 1 rock anemone, 2 colonies of button polyps, 3 colony of star polyps, 3 BTAs, monti cap, various acros

03-31-2005, 10:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
angnak Torch coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 555 View Gallery Karma Komment	Yeah makes sense. But why are the corals reacting if it was going through the probe? __________________ 210gal AGA SW tank. 3 250w MH 4 160w VHOs, 30 gal refuge, ASM Skimmer, Orange shoulder tang, Black tang, Naso tang, 2 orange percs, 2 black percs, 1 lawnmower blenny, a pair of scooter blennies, 5 cleaner shrimp, 5 peppermint shrimp, zebra crabs, halloween crabs, scarlett crabs, various other crabs and snails, 1 rock anemone, 2 colonies of button polyps, 3 colony of star polyps, 3 BTAs, monti cap, various acros

04-01-2005, 01:01 AM	#6 (permalink)
fidojoe Fish Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,581 View Gallery Karma Komment	The current goes through everything in the tank that is in its path to the ground probe. Where you wearing shoes? You probably didn't complete the circut until it was out of the water, therefore you were not the path of least resistance until water was out of the picture. I hope everything recovers... __________________ *Member "Crabs Are Evil" Society* My Tank: 90g AGA, 18g tall sump, CSS 220 w/ meshmod impeller, 4x54w Tek T5 retro w/ IC reflectors, Kalk reactor w/ aquamedic niveaumat system, a few SPS, LPS, zoos, and a few softies, 2 Ocellaris Clowns (hosted by both a RBTA and GBTA), Yellow Watchman, Potter's angel, Yellow Tang, Foxface, Midas Blenny, Purple Pseudo, huge brittle star, 2 tigertail cukes, fire shrimp, snails, and unfortunately two emerald crabs (the bubble algae got out of control).

03-31-2005, 09:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
fugazi Limpet Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: jersey- where the devil runs wild Posts: 125 View Gallery Karma Komment	when something is grounded, all it means is that it is taking the path of least resistance. the current was going through the grounding probe until it became easier to go through you. when you pulled it out of the water you became the grounding probe. hth to understand.

04-01-2005, 01:53 AM	#7 (permalink)
Travis Smilie Bartender Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,701 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	That sucks. I feel your pain... literally, LOL. __________________ Help build the Encyclopedia of ReefKeeping Find over 1400 Reef Aquarium Articles at The Reef Aquarium Index

04-01-2005, 06:42 AM	#8 (permalink)
Brucey Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Reading, England Posts: 1,292 View Gallery Karma Komment	OK stupid question . . . . where was your other hand when you pulled it out of the water. And where was it the time before. Sounds stupid I know but I had a leaking PH in my tank and it took me ages to notice that it only ever shocked me when one hand was in the water and the other was on the lighting pendant . . . . that was the path to ground. Now I have a grounding probe and I've ditched the PH Brucey __________________ 160UK Gallon. (192US Gallon). 400Lbs LR. Aquamedic Turboflotor 5000 Shorty skimmer. Arcadia 3Series pendant (3x250W 14,000'K MH & 2x58W 60" actinic) (DIY cooling fan). Tunze 7095 Multicontroller & 2xTunze 6100 Streams. Redsea 100 Aquazone Plus ozonizer and redox computer. Aquamedic Ocean Runner 6500 return. TMC Vectron 30W UV sterilizer. Aquamedic Aquaniveau auto top up system through Deltec 500 kalk stirrer. PurityOnTap RO/DI. Deltec FR509 (ROWAPhos). Aquamedic PH computer controlling KNOP HD Calcium Reactor. Setup Nov 2002 See my tank here http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...&threadid=4486

04-01-2005, 09:47 AM	#9 (permalink)
jimeluiz Achilles Tang Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Niteroi, Brasil Posts: 829 View Gallery Karma Komment	Yeow - hope everything makes it through OK. Be careful about that reflex to accuse your wife! __________________ Sold the tank prior to our move. Setting up our new life in Brazil.

04-01-2005, 09:53 AM	#10 (permalink)
angnak Torch coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 555 View Gallery Karma Komment	I was wearing shoes. Okay, the probe and the ph were on the same side of the tank maybe a foot from each other. Why were all the corals on other side of the tank feeling the effects? I am stupid about electricity. Brucey my hand was more than likely to my side or holding up the eggcrate before and during the episode. The wife likes to mess with the rocks a lot so my first response when the corals are mad is always at her. I know what your saying though. One day Thanks everyone __________________ 210gal AGA SW tank. 3 250w MH 4 160w VHOs, 30 gal refuge, ASM Skimmer, Orange shoulder tang, Black tang, Naso tang, 2 orange percs, 2 black percs, 1 lawnmower blenny, a pair of scooter blennies, 5 cleaner shrimp, 5 peppermint shrimp, zebra crabs, halloween crabs, scarlett crabs, various other crabs and snails, 1 rock anemone, 2 colonies of button polyps, 3 colony of star polyps, 3 BTAs, monti cap, various acros

04-01-2005, 04:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
fugazi Limpet Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: jersey- where the devil runs wild Posts: 125 View Gallery Karma Komment	somethings can sense or be effected by lower amounts of voltage. It may be possible that you have more resistance than the aquatic life.

04-03-2005, 04:48 AM	#12 (permalink)
corvettephreek Torch coral Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: northern california Posts: 562 View Gallery Karma Komment	AC electricity flows through everything conductive. just because you dont feel it, doesnt mean electricity isnt flowing through it. if you drop your lighting fixture into a 400 gal tank, and the grounding probe, light, and all your electronics are on one side, doesnt mean you should reach in the opposite side to grab a coral or fish. you will feel it, trust me. great idea to use a probe, also- what you may not know is that seals in powerheads are lucky enough to last 1-5 years. however I have had one go out and wipe an entire tank in only 3 days from my LFS. didnt know it at the time of purchase, but I knew it when my hair felt tingly at feeding time. also- being an electrician myself, I always urge people to use the "pocket" theory. if you keep one hand in your pocket, you will not complete a circuit accidentally. its one thing to lose 400 bucks of fish, invertc, etc. but its another to damage your heart, brain or even worse.... I use a trick an old friend taught me. use a multimeter (voltmeter, 5 bucks and up any hardware store) to do a voltage check between your water and a point of ground. if you read a slight voltage (1-20 volts or more) you should inspect each unit individually. unplug each device, check, and so on and so forth. doesnt hurt to make sure. good luck with everything, and I hope to see that tank recover just fine __________________ Will (aka Willy Stylez) Will Foley Rolling Audio Sacramento, CA Mobile audio and security solutions Advanced level MECP installer

04-03-2005, 05:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
Warnberg Acropora Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,911 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	http://avdil.gtri.gatech.edu/RCM/RCM...ingProbes.html Dave

04-03-2005, 06:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
Sharkbait Scopas Tang Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Phoenix Posts: 426 View Gallery Karma Komment	Perhaps lack of flow could be the reason for all your upset livestock, powerheads are so unreliable but so inexpensive.I've felt the zap myself, hope everything works out.

04-04-2005, 09:07 AM	#15 (permalink)
angnak Torch coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 555 View Gallery Karma Komment	Warnberg, nice article makes you think. I am not sure I would want to take mine out though. I know very litle about Elec. Corvette, what would be the proper way to test for a current since the article states there is always a voltage? Thanks eveyone. __________________ 210gal AGA SW tank. 3 250w MH 4 160w VHOs, 30 gal refuge, ASM Skimmer, Orange shoulder tang, Black tang, Naso tang, 2 orange percs, 2 black percs, 1 lawnmower blenny, a pair of scooter blennies, 5 cleaner shrimp, 5 peppermint shrimp, zebra crabs, halloween crabs, scarlett crabs, various other crabs and snails, 1 rock anemone, 2 colonies of button polyps, 3 colony of star polyps, 3 BTAs, monti cap, various acros

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