Joe's Juice...

angnak · 02-07-2005, 09:01 PM

This might get long. I have a lot of aptasia and finally got some joe's juice and went to town on a couple in the tank. Now my concerns are what does this do to water quaility? A couple were on my star polyps so I probably will see some die off of them because they immediately closed up when I shot the apt. Obviously some got into the water column. The stuff says reef safe but come on something that kills being reef safe. I have a few by my bta's and I made them close up before injecting them. So hopefully they will be okay. I don't want you guys to think I was just squirting at will with this stuff but some of the juice did get away from the apt. I just did this a few minutes ago and the bta's are still closed. I plan on doing just a few a day. Now should I do them all and then maybe do a water change right after or what. I am just freakin a little about this stuff. I very hesitant on using this but they are getting on my corals so I need to do something. Copperband is out of the question. What shrimp eat these things. I have two cleaner shrimp. Any info or advice would be GREATLY appreciated. TIA. Oh yeah, I have some really small ones around my Star polyps also, should I wait for them to get bigger or just go for it. I actually have small one's everywhere. but the ones around my corals and BTAs scare me to much because I know some is going to get away from the apt.

mps9506 · 02-07-2005, 10:14 PM

Everything "should" be ok, at least from my expereince with using it.
If you want to do the shrimp I would recomend throwing in a few peppermint shrimp. One won't do the job, you need a couple, they will put a hurt on your pod population as well, however, IME the only way to get good odds on having them eat ALL your aiptasia is to get a few. I had three in my 40 gallon. They did the trick, but it took about 2 months before I realized my aiptasia was diappearing. I have two now, and I do think they put a huge dent in the copepod and amphipod populations in my tank. Or else my tank just isn't growing them

FWIW, I know Joe's Juice kills aiptasia REALLY well, and I have used it around SPS with zero probs. I don't have the slightest idea what is in it. I would love to know, but I could understand why they would keep their mouth's shut with it being as popular as it is. It is probably something really common. I'd love to see some chemist run it through a gas spectrometer or something to get an idea of it's composition.

marinelover · 02-08-2005, 12:14 AM

I agree with mps9506 b/c to use the shrimp to your advantage they have to eat the apstasias but they seem to grow faster than they are eating. So a few is nesscary if you want to fix it with them. I sell it at my store and customers never complain about it affecting their reefs what so ever. But in a pinch i keep a saringe under my tank and just inject a little liquid calsium into the bases of each ap. and they melt right away and this has never messed up any of my tank parameters.
Good luck!
Shawn
p.s. when i said a little liquid clacium i ment barely any!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

angnak · 02-08-2005, 11:16 AM

Thanks for the quick response. You don't see a proble with the peppermints and the skunks? Also, what about the BTA's? I am assuming they will be alright, because there are a couple really close to them and I am a little nervous I will kill them also.

gussy · 02-08-2005, 11:35 AM

Well, my Aiptasia pupulation is still growing with 3 shrimps in the 20G tank. I was thinking about adding more. I don't mind having a few Aiptasia to look at, but I'm worried that I'll get too infested.

marinelover · 02-08-2005, 12:29 PM

I really suggest picking up a small syringe from your local pharmecy and just zapping them with a little liquid calcium!! That wont hurt any of your other corals!!!!
Shawn

NaH2O · 02-08-2005, 02:15 PM

Joe's Juice did nothing for my aiptasia population. I, too, would love to know what's in it, and have contacted "Joe" about it. I look at it like this...."If my toddler were to accidentally get a hold of this stuff.....then what do I tell poison control?" Oh, I don't know what the ingredients are? I keep it locked away with my other chemicals, but still - you never know. Anyway - sorry to go off on a tangent there. The only thing that worked for me was Peppermint Shrimp. I haven't tried the liquid calcium injections, or HOT kalk injections, or bioling water, etc.......yet. Just Joe's Juice and Pepp Shrimps. Also, I haven't noticed any ill effects on my pod population (120 gallon with 3 pepps).

angnak · 02-08-2005, 03:58 PM

Seems to have worked for me. The ones I got reall good were dying within minutes. Good point though HaH2O.

NaH2O · 02-08-2005, 04:25 PM

I'm not saying Joes Juice didn't kill the aiptasia. It would kill some, while others seemed like they died, only to come back days later. Then after I started using it....it seemed like they spread more. That's when I went with the shrimp.

mps9506 · 02-08-2005, 07:32 PM

Shrimp were the 100% cure for me also. I could never kil them all with the syringe regardless. There were always more to kill.
Might be worth cutting back on feeding the tank when you add the shrimp, make em huingry and eat the aiptasia instead of the easy food.

angnak · 02-08-2005, 10:42 PM

My concern with the shrimp is that I have two gobies that like to eat the pods also. I'll check out the LFS to see if they even have some. They are in the middle of moving to a new store. How many do you think I should get?

mps9506 · 02-08-2005, 11:59 PM

I would probably start out with 4 in your tank. If the aiptasia isn't gone in two months, then add 2 more.
Once they eat the aiptasia just feed real heavy, if they are as brave as mine they will stuff themselves on whatever you feed the rest of your fish and you won't have to worry about pods.

marinelover · 02-09-2005, 11:42 AM

It all starts early and catching them when you only see one or two! Thats when you add the shrimp or ( when i would inject them) Then if they STILL seem to grow keep adding shrimp but if you stay on top of it normally they should be able to be handled. Dont see one ap. and think oh its ok b/c it will soon be a hundred!!
Good Luck!
Shawn

Woodstock · 02-09-2005, 12:43 PM

I had a few small aiptasias a long time ago that Joe's Juice killed successfully.

Scooterman · 02-09-2005, 07:54 PM

I used JJ for months & months, some died & others came back within a week or so, I know this for sure in certain spots, I juiced those good and they came back. I use kalk paste to coven them completely, it takes time if your infested but it works. I want a shrimp but every time I go to the lfs they are out.

02-07-2005, 09:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
angnak Torch coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 556 View Gallery Karma Komment	Joe's Juice... This might get long. I have a lot of aptasia and finally got some joe's juice and went to town on a couple in the tank. Now my concerns are what does this do to water quaility? A couple were on my star polyps so I probably will see some die off of them because they immediately closed up when I shot the apt. Obviously some got into the water column. The stuff says reef safe but come on something that kills being reef safe. I have a few by my bta's and I made them close up before injecting them. So hopefully they will be okay. I don't want you guys to think I was just squirting at will with this stuff but some of the juice did get away from the apt. I just did this a few minutes ago and the bta's are still closed. I plan on doing just a few a day. Now should I do them all and then maybe do a water change right after or what. I am just freakin a little about this stuff. I very hesitant on using this but they are getting on my corals so I need to do something. Copperband is out of the question. What shrimp eat these things. I have two cleaner shrimp. Any info or advice would be GREATLY appreciated. TIA. Oh yeah, I have some really small ones around my Star polyps also, should I wait for them to get bigger or just go for it. I actually have small one's everywhere. but the ones around my corals and BTAs scare me to much because I know some is going to get away from the apt. __________________ 210gal AGA SW tank. 3 250w MH 4 160w VHOs, 30 gal refuge, ASM Skimmer, Orange shoulder tang, Black tang, Naso tang, 2 orange percs, 2 black percs, 1 lawnmower blenny, a pair of scooter blennies, 5 cleaner shrimp, 5 peppermint shrimp, zebra crabs, halloween crabs, scarlett crabs, various other crabs and snails, 1 rock anemone, 2 colonies of button polyps, 3 colony of star polyps, 3 BTAs, monti cap, various acros

02-07-2005, 10:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
mps9506 Totally back Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 8,525 View Gallery Karma Komment	Everything "should" be ok, at least from my expereince with using it. If you want to do the shrimp I would recomend throwing in a few peppermint shrimp. One won't do the job, you need a couple, they will put a hurt on your pod population as well, however, IME the only way to get good odds on having them eat ALL your aiptasia is to get a few. I had three in my 40 gallon. They did the trick, but it took about 2 months before I realized my aiptasia was diappearing. I have two now, and I do think they put a huge dent in the copepod and amphipod populations in my tank. Or else my tank just isn't growing them FWIW, I know Joe's Juice kills aiptasia REALLY well, and I have used it around SPS with zero probs. I don't have the slightest idea what is in it. I would love to know, but I could understand why they would keep their mouth's shut with it being as popular as it is. It is probably something really common. I'd love to see some chemist run it through a gas spectrometer or something to get an idea of it's composition. __________________ Mike Reefkeeping Since '99 Help Build Reefpedia Premium Memberships Available! Support Reef Sanctuary Sponsors

02-08-2005, 11:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
angnak Torch coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 556 View Gallery Karma Komment	Thanks for the quick response. You don't see a proble with the peppermints and the skunks? Also, what about the BTA's? I am assuming they will be alright, because there are a couple really close to them and I am a little nervous I will kill them also. __________________ 210gal AGA SW tank. 3 250w MH 4 160w VHOs, 30 gal refuge, ASM Skimmer, Orange shoulder tang, Black tang, Naso tang, 2 orange percs, 2 black percs, 1 lawnmower blenny, a pair of scooter blennies, 5 cleaner shrimp, 5 peppermint shrimp, zebra crabs, halloween crabs, scarlett crabs, various other crabs and snails, 1 rock anemone, 2 colonies of button polyps, 3 colony of star polyps, 3 BTAs, monti cap, various acros

02-08-2005, 02:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
NaH2O Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,929 View Gallery Karma Komment	Joe's Juice did nothing for my aiptasia population. I, too, would love to know what's in it, and have contacted "Joe" about it. I look at it like this...."If my toddler were to accidentally get a hold of this stuff.....then what do I tell poison control?" Oh, I don't know what the ingredients are? I keep it locked away with my other chemicals, but still - you never know. Anyway - sorry to go off on a tangent there. The only thing that worked for me was Peppermint Shrimp. I haven't tried the liquid calcium injections, or HOT kalk injections, or bioling water, etc.......yet. Just Joe's Juice and Pepp Shrimps. Also, I haven't noticed any ill effects on my pod population (120 gallon with 3 pepps). __________________ ~Nikki~

02-08-2005, 03:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
angnak Torch coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 556 View Gallery Karma Komment	Seems to have worked for me. The ones I got reall good were dying within minutes. Good point though HaH2O. __________________ 210gal AGA SW tank. 3 250w MH 4 160w VHOs, 30 gal refuge, ASM Skimmer, Orange shoulder tang, Black tang, Naso tang, 2 orange percs, 2 black percs, 1 lawnmower blenny, a pair of scooter blennies, 5 cleaner shrimp, 5 peppermint shrimp, zebra crabs, halloween crabs, scarlett crabs, various other crabs and snails, 1 rock anemone, 2 colonies of button polyps, 3 colony of star polyps, 3 BTAs, monti cap, various acros

02-08-2005, 12:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
marinelover Serpent Star Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 238 View Gallery Karma Komment	I agree with mps9506 b/c to use the shrimp to your advantage they have to eat the apstasias but they seem to grow faster than they are eating. So a few is nesscary if you want to fix it with them. I sell it at my store and customers never complain about it affecting their reefs what so ever. But in a pinch i keep a saringe under my tank and just inject a little liquid calsium into the bases of each ap. and they melt right away and this has never messed up any of my tank parameters. Good luck! Shawn p.s. when i said a little liquid clacium i ment barely any!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

02-08-2005, 11:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
gussy Torch coral Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 579 View Gallery Karma Komment	Well, my Aiptasia pupulation is still growing with 3 shrimps in the 20G tank. I was thinking about adding more. I don't mind having a few Aiptasia to look at, but I'm worried that I'll get too infested.

02-08-2005, 12:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
marinelover Serpent Star Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 238 View Gallery Karma Komment	I really suggest picking up a small syringe from your local pharmecy and just zapping them with a little liquid calcium!! That wont hurt any of your other corals!!!! Shawn

02-08-2005, 04:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
NaH2O Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,929 View Gallery Karma Komment	I'm not saying Joes Juice didn't kill the aiptasia. It would kill some, while others seemed like they died, only to come back days later. Then after I started using it....it seemed like they spread more. That's when I went with the shrimp. __________________ ~Nikki~

02-08-2005, 07:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
mps9506 Totally back Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 8,525 View Gallery Karma Komment	Shrimp were the 100% cure for me also. I could never kil them all with the syringe regardless. There were always more to kill. Might be worth cutting back on feeding the tank when you add the shrimp, make em huingry and eat the aiptasia instead of the easy food. __________________ Mike Reefkeeping Since '99 Help Build Reefpedia Premium Memberships Available! Support Reef Sanctuary Sponsors

02-08-2005, 10:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
angnak Torch coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 556 View Gallery Karma Komment	My concern with the shrimp is that I have two gobies that like to eat the pods also. I'll check out the LFS to see if they even have some. They are in the middle of moving to a new store. How many do you think I should get? __________________ 210gal AGA SW tank. 3 250w MH 4 160w VHOs, 30 gal refuge, ASM Skimmer, Orange shoulder tang, Black tang, Naso tang, 2 orange percs, 2 black percs, 1 lawnmower blenny, a pair of scooter blennies, 5 cleaner shrimp, 5 peppermint shrimp, zebra crabs, halloween crabs, scarlett crabs, various other crabs and snails, 1 rock anemone, 2 colonies of button polyps, 3 colony of star polyps, 3 BTAs, monti cap, various acros

02-08-2005, 11:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
mps9506 Totally back Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 8,525 View Gallery Karma Komment	I would probably start out with 4 in your tank. If the aiptasia isn't gone in two months, then add 2 more. Once they eat the aiptasia just feed real heavy, if they are as brave as mine they will stuff themselves on whatever you feed the rest of your fish and you won't have to worry about pods. __________________ Mike Reefkeeping Since '99 Help Build Reefpedia Premium Memberships Available! Support Reef Sanctuary Sponsors

02-09-2005, 11:42 AM	#13 (permalink)
marinelover Serpent Star Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 238 View Gallery Karma Komment	It all starts early and catching them when you only see one or two! Thats when you add the shrimp or ( when i would inject them) Then if they STILL seem to grow keep adding shrimp but if you stay on top of it normally they should be able to be handled. Dont see one ap. and think oh its ok b/c it will soon be a hundred!! Good Luck! Shawn

02-09-2005, 12:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,501 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	I had a few small aiptasias a long time ago that Joe's Juice killed successfully. __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Victorious Battle with ICH* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistance conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

02-09-2005, 07:54 PM	#15 (permalink)
Scooterman Elegance coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana Posts: 1,239 View Gallery Karma Komment	I used JJ for months & months, some died & others came back within a week or so, I know this for sure in certain spots, I juiced those good and they came back. I use kalk paste to coven them completely, it takes time if your infested but it works. I want a shrimp but every time I go to the lfs they are out. __________________ Scott Ardoin (Ard-Dwan)

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