Should I put a DSB in my Fuge/Sump?

kyle1284 · 04-20-2009, 02:16 PM

i have a fuge in my sump that is about 12.5x10 inches and the water level is around 8 inches deep... my question is what is a good DSB depth for my 50 gallon display tank that ill eventually be very well stocked. My protein skimmer is a ASM G-1X, so it is very oversized for the entire system its self. I am having a hard time toning down the phosphates. they are above 1.0. Aminoia is 0 ph 8.3.

Would having a phosban reactor counteract anything that the DSB will be doing or will it harm the DSM? I want a healthy pod population because i want to keep a mandrian in the future. would a DSB help me in the battle against phos? What do i need to do to accomplish a good nutrient exporter/pod producer

degibson84 · 04-20-2009, 02:19 PM

DSB usually are 4+ inches so if you dont have the space for it i wouldn't go with a DSB

i have a HOB fuge and went with about 3 inch as that is about all i could fit in it where the "cultivating" section is

degibson84 · 04-20-2009, 02:21 PM

DSB wont help with phosphates but it will help with the denitirfication process. and your macro algae in the fuge will help with your phosphate

kyle1284 · 04-20-2009, 02:32 PM

thanks for the quick reply degibson84! Do you think that a 4 inch water colum would be to shallow for the pods and macro?

degibson84 · 04-20-2009, 03:00 PM

i think you should be fine but you probably wont be able to keep as much macro and will probably trim alot more often.

since i have a 2.5g HOB i only have about 8 inches of water for my macro and i am trimming anywhere from every other to every single week

jgking21 · 04-20-2009, 03:06 PM

Are you running a DSB in the DT? I'm in the same boat as you, only 8" in the fuge, so I planned a DSB in the DT and only about 2" in the fuge.

kyle1284 · 04-20-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jgking21

Are you running a DSB in the DT? I'm in the same boat as you, only 8" in the fuge, so I planned a DSB in the DT and only about 2" in the fuge.

no i dont think i will do a DSB in the DT because i only have 18 inches of height in the DT... i wanna get as much groth as possible from all the corals that i am going to put in it.

will a 4 inch bed be active enough for my tank?

degibson84 · 04-20-2009, 03:15 PM

i dont even have that much in my DT and some people run bare bottom DT

jgking21 · 04-20-2009, 03:28 PM

I didn't have a sand bed in my 25 and it was much easier to keep clean. But if get 4" in your fuge you should be good, that seems to be what people recommend. I'm by no mean an expert here, just been doin' some researchin'!

Electrobes · 04-20-2009, 05:22 PM

A DSB is a nice thing to have for denitrification, as degi mentions, but IMO I wouldn't go below 6 inches for a DSB.

Looking at your refugium what are you keeping in there?

Clownfish518 · 04-20-2009, 05:29 PM

I have my DSB in my fuge around 4.5". Works just fine.

kyle1284 · 04-20-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Electrobes

A DSB is a nice thing to have for denitrification, as degi mentions, but IMO I wouldn't go below 6 inches for a DSB.

Looking at your refugium what are you keeping in there?

cheato and grape capulera(sp) i am going to take out the GC and go strictly cheato after tonight.... may i ask why a 6 inch DSB

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I have my DSB in my fuge around 4.5". Works just fine.

what dementions is your DSB Clownfish?

Clownfish518 · 04-20-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1284

cheato and grape capulera(sp) i am going to take out the GC and go strictly cheato after tonight.... may i ask why a 6 inch DSB

what dementions is your DSB Clownfish?

There are a lot of different schools of thought and theories on how deep a DSB should be. IMO there is not a definitive answer as to depth. I have a 6" DSB in my community tank and it works just fine; I have a 4.5" DSB in my sump on my BTA tank and it works just as well.

My sump is built out of a 40 gallon breeder, and the refugium part is about 22" long by 18" wide and 10" deep - that's the height of the acrylic. Here's a pic

kyle1284 · 04-20-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Clownfish518

There are a lot of different schools of thought and theories on how deep a DSB should be. IMO there is not a definitive answer as to depth. I have a 6" DSB in my community tank and it works just fine; I have a 4.5" DSB in my sump on my BTA tank and it works just as well.

My sump is built out of a 40 gallon breeder, and the refugium part is about 22" long by 18" wide and 10" deep - that's the height of the acrylic. Here's a pic

what kind of flow do you have going over the sand bed?

Clownfish518 · 04-20-2009, 06:16 PM

I have a 320 GPH return pump; I prefer low flow sumps, and I have a Maxijet 400 in the fuge to get some water movement. I have some rubble in there and I noticed that it had started to turn gray which means a lack of O2. I plan to replace the MJ with an airpump

04-20-2009, 02:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
kyle1284 Elegance coral Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Huntsville, TX Posts: 1,061 View Gallery Karma Komment	Should I put a DSB in my Fuge/Sump? i have a fuge in my sump that is about 12.5x10 inches and the water level is around 8 inches deep... my question is what is a good DSB depth for my 50 gallon display tank that ill eventually be very well stocked. My protein skimmer is a ASM G-1X, so it is very oversized for the entire system its self. I am having a hard time toning down the phosphates. they are above 1.0. Aminoia is 0 ph 8.3. Would having a phosban reactor counteract anything that the DSB will be doing or will it harm the DSM? I want a healthy pod population because i want to keep a mandrian in the future. would a DSB help me in the battle against phos? What do i need to do to accomplish a good nutrient exporter/pod producer __________________ KYLE 75 Gal 110 Lbs Live Rock 40 Lbs of live sand Equiptment:48 Inch 4x54 T-5 true blue and 10000k lights, 2 fuvual 305 Canister Filters Mis. Mushrooms, Fan Worms, hammer coral, frog spawn, candy cane, A TON OF TRUMPET CORAL!! orange plating monti, some kind of branching monti, pom pom xeina, all kinds of zoos BRIGHT GREEN star polyps, xeina, neon green toadstool, 3 damn damsles, a foxface and a blue tang. November 1...The begining! http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2.../random045.jpg November 8,2008 http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...ristina034.jpg My 75 GALLON BAR TOP REEF TANK! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...n-bar-top.html

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degibson84 Achilles Tang Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austintown, Ohio Posts: 809 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Should I put a DSB in my Fuge/Sump? DSB usually are 4+ inches so if you dont have the space for it i wouldn't go with a DSB i have a HOB fuge and went with about 3 inch as that is about all i could fit in it where the "cultivating" section is

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degibson84 Achilles Tang Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austintown, Ohio Posts: 809 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Should I put a DSB in my Fuge/Sump? DSB wont help with phosphates but it will help with the denitirfication process. and your macro algae in the fuge will help with your phosphate

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kyle1284 Elegance coral Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Huntsville, TX Posts: 1,061 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Should I put a DSB in my Fuge/Sump? thanks for the quick reply degibson84! Do you think that a 4 inch water colum would be to shallow for the pods and macro? __________________ KYLE 75 Gal 110 Lbs Live Rock 40 Lbs of live sand Equiptment:48 Inch 4x54 T-5 true blue and 10000k lights, 2 fuvual 305 Canister Filters Mis. Mushrooms, Fan Worms, hammer coral, frog spawn, candy cane, A TON OF TRUMPET CORAL!! orange plating monti, some kind of branching monti, pom pom xeina, all kinds of zoos BRIGHT GREEN star polyps, xeina, neon green toadstool, 3 damn damsles, a foxface and a blue tang. November 1...The begining! http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2.../random045.jpg November 8,2008 http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...ristina034.jpg My 75 GALLON BAR TOP REEF TANK! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...n-bar-top.html

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degibson84 Achilles Tang Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austintown, Ohio Posts: 809 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Should I put a DSB in my Fuge/Sump? i think you should be fine but you probably wont be able to keep as much macro and will probably trim alot more often. since i have a 2.5g HOB i only have about 8 inches of water for my macro and i am trimming anywhere from every other to every single week

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degibson84 Achilles Tang Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austintown, Ohio Posts: 809 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Should I put a DSB in my Fuge/Sump? i dont even have that much in my DT and some people run bare bottom DT

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jgking21 Neon dottyback Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Indian Trail, NC Posts: 674 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Should I put a DSB in my Fuge/Sump? I didn't have a sand bed in my 25 and it was much easier to keep clean. But if get 4" in your fuge you should be good, that seems to be what people recommend. I'm by no mean an expert here, just been doin' some researchin'! __________________ They call me "JUICE"! Will work for Corals! Juice's 54 Corner Reef Juice's 25 Gallon Reef

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Clownfish518 Razorback Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bentonville, Arkansas Posts: 1,543 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Should I put a DSB in my Fuge/Sump? I have my DSB in my fuge around 4.5". Works just fine. __________________ Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem - William of Ockham

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Clownfish518 Razorback Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bentonville, Arkansas Posts: 1,543 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Should I put a DSB in my Fuge/Sump? I have a 320 GPH return pump; I prefer low flow sumps, and I have a Maxijet 400 in the fuge to get some water movement. I have some rubble in there and I noticed that it had started to turn gray which means a lack of O2. I plan to replace the MJ with an airpump __________________ Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem - William of Ockham

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